The Haplogroup E in Europe.
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Of course I believe in genetic research, but what determines TRUE AND FULL ANCESTRY is AUTOSOMAL DNA, not haplogroups. Pasiegos, and all other Iberians do not cluster with N. Africans. Not even close. Now stop acting like a parrot, already. No one takes you seriously.
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It is a charlatan, all breeders of this forum know the subject of pasiegos, make their guess, after months or years is a discovery and what they had thought no good, but hey, it's interesting.
A South American is ridiculous trying to make the world believe that the Spanish have the appearance of South Americans, you are truly self-conscious, although I understand it, I would.
A South American is ridiculous trying to make the world believe that the Spanish have the appearance of South Americans, you are truly self-conscious, although I understand it, I would.
Sure, there are 6 escandinavian countries on planet Earth: Iceland, Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Finland and Spain.
Hahaha.
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No veo por qué te parece tan raro, tú mismo intentas meter a España en el Magreb a la fuerza y sin fundamento.
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The thread is haplogroup E in Europe should be called Haplogroup E in Spain, because Ferreira speaks only of Spain, is obsessed with Spain.
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Read the autosomal research, duffus. Even the old study you referenced suggests a N. Euro connection (mt-DNA haplogroups U and V) with respect to the Pasiegos. Where were you when God handed out brains?
Read the autosomal research, duffus. Even the old study you referenced suggests a N. Euro connection (haplogroup U) with respect to the Pasiegos. Where were you when God handed out brains?
Yes, yes, Spain is the sixth nordic country of Europe, hahaha.
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READ THE AUTOSOMAL RESEARCH! You are insane!
This forum is for Y-DNA, don't you understand it? Read the thread!!!!!
Y-DNA
Y-DNA
Y-DNA
Do you understand it now???
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Yes, Y-DNA. But Y-DNA is not the full DNA, neither is not the half side, a quarter, and less and less... only talks about a first ancestor who lived thousands of years ago. Don't try to fool anyone, everybody knows (you included) that after thousands of years being in Europe is imposible that a person can be closer to North Africans.
I never have said that the Spaniards were Africans. We are Europeans, but I'm not going to be denying things that I have not said.
But thousand of years? It's wrong.
Muslim Empire finished in Spain 500 years ago.
It's an absurd that one Spanish can not be related with a North African but instead It would be posible to be related with a Nordic. That's an inconsistency.
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Tío creo que el espectáculo que estás dando aquí es bochornoso y no se ve en foreros de ningún otro país, es posible que seas una secuela de la confusión de años atrás, de nazionalismos regionalistas y de cuando en España se puso de moda rechazar los esteriotipos culturales que había impuesto el franquismo que ya sabemos que fueron los andaluces porque eran los más exportables y porque sucedió así, y de todas formas incluso esa moda ya ha pasado y el ataque que estás haciendo a Andalucía es de no tener vergüenza, estás intentando darnos una identidad que no nos corresponde y eso para mí es fascismo, aquí por suerte hay gente preparada que sólo te va a ver como un loco, otros simplemente nos avergonzamos de que si eres español verdaderamente te comportes así con otra región de tu propio país y más cuando sabes que de Galicia también se puede criticar y poner muchas fotos de gallegos muy tostados y muchas cosas feas y negativas, y sin embargo aquí nadie lo ha hecho, por educación, así que puedes seguir, no vas a engañara a nadie, ahora te digo una cosa, que si te pillaba te hacía trizas.
El espectáculo lo estáis dando vosotros en un foro sobre el Y-DNA.
Cuando se acaban los argumentos llegan los insultos y las amenazas.
The E-V13 clade is equivalent to the "alpha cluster" of E-M78 reported in Cruciani et al. (2004), and was first defined by the SNP V13 in Cruciani et al. (2006). Another SNP is known for this clade, V36, reported in Cruciani et al. (2007). All known positive tests for V13 are also positive for V36. So E-V13 is currently considered "phylogenetically equivalent" to E-V36.
Within Italy, frequencies tend to be higher in Southern Italy,[1] with particularly high results sometimes seen in particular areas; for example, in Santa Ninfa and Piazza Armerina in Sicily.[13] High frequencies appear to exist also in some northern areas[Note 9] for example around Venice,[Note 10] Genoa[14] and Rimini,[15] as well as on the island of Corsica, which is to the west of mainland northern Italy[16]
Phylogenetic analysis strongly suggest that these lineages have spread through Europe, from the Balkans in a "rapid demographic expansion".[1] Before then, the SNP mutation, V13 apparently first arose in West Asia around 10 thousand years ago, and although not widespread there, it is for example found in high levels (>10% of the male population) in Turkish
Haplogroup E-V13 is the only lineage that reaches the highest frequencies out of Africa. In fact, it represents about 85% of the European E-M78 chromosomes with a clinal pattern of frequency distribution from the southern Balkan peninsula (19.6%) to western Europe (2.5%). The same haplogroup is also present at lower frequencies in Anatolia (3.8%), the Near East (2.0%), and the Caucasus (1.8%). In Africa, haplogroup E-V13 is rare, being observed only in northern Africa at a low frequency (0.9%).
—Cruciani et al. (2007)
Within Europe, E-V13 is especially common in the Balkans and some parts of Italy. In different studies, particularly high frequencies have been observed in Kosovar Albanians (45.6%) (Peričic et al. (2005)), Albanian speakers in the Republic of Macedonia (34.4% reported in Battaglia et al. (2008)), and in some parts of Greece (about 35% in some of the areas studied by King et al. (2008).[10] More generally, high frequencies have also been found in other areas of Greece, and amongst Bulgarians, Romanians, Macedonians and Serbs.[3][8][11][12]—Cruciani et al. (2007)
Within Italy, frequencies tend to be higher in Southern Italy,[1] with particularly high results sometimes seen in particular areas; for example, in Santa Ninfa and Piazza Armerina in Sicily.[13] High frequencies appear to exist also in some northern areas[Note 9] for example around Venice,[Note 10] Genoa[14] and Rimini,[15] as well as on the island of Corsica, which is to the west of mainland northern Italy[16]
Phylogenetic analysis strongly suggest that these lineages have spread through Europe, from the Balkans in a "rapid demographic expansion".[1] Before then, the SNP mutation, V13 apparently first arose in West Asia around 10 thousand years ago, and although not widespread there, it is for example found in high levels (>10% of the male population) in Turkish
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Distribution of subclade EV-13. It could be Albanese Haplogroup.
While small percentage, it is strange presence in Portugal and Galicia (NW of Spain).
That map is not Correct about Greece cyprus and minor asia
check the numerals in peloponese,
the diversity is bigger in peloponese and the % equal,
historically there are many connections with messenians to be E-V13
in fact the cut Albanian tribes like arberesh have very low E-V13
E-V13 is connected with copper times and migration from cyprus,
Cyprus has also high E-13
According Cruciani et al, 2007 a possible time of arrival E carriers to the Balkans is between 4000 and 4700 year ago. It is 2000 to 2700 years BC.
Trombetta et al after rigorous scientific testing brought up a theory that E carriers in the Balkans arrived by sea
http://dirkschweitzer.net/E3b-papers/MolecularBiologyandEvolution-07-24-6-1300.pdf
http://mbe.oxfordjournals.org/content/24/6/1300.full.pdf+html
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“By analyzing a worldwide sample of 6,501 male subjects, wehave identified 517 chromosomes belonging to haplogroup E-M78, more than twice the number found in a previous study (Cruciani et al. 2004). These chromosomes have been further analyzed for the biallelic markers M148 (Underhill et al. 2000), M224 (Underhill et al. 2001), V12, V13, V19, V22, V27, V32 (Cruciani et al. 2006), V36, and V65 (present study).... Four subhaplogroups were either rare(1 and 2 subjects for E-V27 and E-V19, respectively) or absent(E-M148andE-M224)in the global sample, whereas theother haplogroups/paragroups were relatively common (table1 and fig. 2).”
You can see that subhaplogroups of E-M78 are (excluding those that are very rare):
E-V12
E-V32
E-V13
E-78*
E-V65 and
E-V22.
“In conclusion, the peripheral geographic distribution of the most derived subhaplogroups with respect to northeastern Africa, as well as the results of quantitative analysis of UEP and microsatellite diversity are strongly suggestive of a northeastern rather than an eastern African origin of E-M78. Northeastern Africa thus seems to be the place from where E-M78 chromosomes started to disperse to other African regions and outside Africa.”
Another strange but interesting is that,
http://mathildasanthropologyblog.wordpress.com/2008/05/02/eurasian-origins-of-the-berbers/
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E1b1b1a (E-V68)
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E1b1b1a (E-V68), is dominated by its longer-known sub-clade E-M78 (E1b1b1a1). Three "E-V68*" individuals who are in E-V68 but not E-M78 have been reported in Sardinia, by Trombetta et al. (2011), when announcing its discovery. The authors noted that because E-V68* was not found in the Middle Eastern samples, this appears to be evidence of maritime migration from Africa to southwestern Europe.
E1b1b1a1 (E-M78) is a commonly occurring sub-clade, widely distributed in North Africa, the Horn of Africa, West Asia, (the Middle East and Near East) "up to Southern Asia",[1] and all of Europe.[22] The European distribution has a frequency peak centered in parts of the Balkans (up to almost 50% in some areas)[3][23]) and Italy, and declining frequencies evident toward western, central, and northeastern Europe.
Based on genetic STR variance data, Cruciani et al. (2007) suggests that E1b1b1a1 originated in "Northeastern Africa", which in their study refers specifically to Egypt and Libya.[Note 4] about 18,600 years ago (17,300 - 20,000 years ago).[Note 5] Battaglia et al. (2008) describe Egypt as "a hub for the distribution of the various geographically localized M78-related sub-clades" and, based on archaeological data, they propose that the point of origin of E-M78 (as opposed to later dispersals from Egypt) may have been in a refugium which "existed on the border of present-day Sudan and Egypt, near Lake Nubia, until the onset of a humid phase around 8500 BC. The northward-moving rainfall belts during this period could have also spurred a rapid migration of Mesolithic foragers northwards in Africa, the Levant and ultimately onwards to Asia Minor and Europe, where they each eventually differentiated into their regionally distinctive branches". Towards the south, Hassan et al. (2008) also explain evidence that some subclades of E-M78, specifically E-V12 and E-22, "might have been brought to Sudan from North Africa after the progressive desertification of the Sahara around 6,000-8,000 years ago".
[edit] Sub Clades of E1b1b1a1 (E-M78)
There are four recognized sub-clades, which were mostly defined by Cruciani et al. (2006).
- E1b1b1a1a (E-V12). Found in Egypt, Sudan, and other places. Has an important sub-clade E1b1b1a1a2 (E-V32) which is very common amongst Ethiopian Oromo, Borana Oromo from Kenya and Somalis.
- E1b1b1a1b (E-V13). This is the most common type of E1b1b found in Europe and is especially common in the Balkans.
- E1b1b1a1c (E-V22). Found in Egypt, the Middle East and other places.
- E1b1b1a1d (E-V65). Associated with the Maghreb, but also found in Italy and Spain.
- E1b1b1a1e (E-M521). Found in two individuals in Greece by Battaglia et al. (2008)
the E-V13 is cypriotic-Levantine,
the map you show is incorrect, in peloponese exist also a 44% E-V13 and in cyprus total 27% while in some local reach >50%
you can read dienekes about E-V13 in the balkans,
http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2008/07/expansion-of-e-v13-explained.html
and cut albanian tribes.
http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2010/07/y-chromosomes-of-arbereshe-from.html
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Thousands of years are the MAJOR PART of E-M81 in Iberia. And stop trying to make belive that you never said Spaniards were Africans, while you pretended to say that Pantoja's phenotype was typical in Spain and Portugal. This is FALSE and you know it perfectly.
Your nonsense goes higher and higher. If your best explanation is only the presence of one haplogroup, you better go to the circus.
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