Cambrius (The Red)
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Phenotypically, Greeks are predominately Dinaric and SE Med with some Levantine elements.
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I got it through Dieneke's site (I don't remember the name of the paper)...but it said that Greeks have around 4.0% R1b-U152 (equally distributed around mainland, while 6-7% in Crete) and 7% R1a1a1a7 in Macedonia in contrast to 3.5% in Central-South Greece and 2-3% in Crete.
No Dinaric in Greeks and no levantine too i guess.Phenotypically, Greeks are predominately Dinaric and SE Med with some Levantine elements.
Greeks are mainly Mediterranid with strong Alpine presence
Greeks arent varied in phenotype as you may think. We are mainly Dinaric, Med, Alpine with some baltic and nordic minorities.Well I can think of arguments against all those photos,
Using football or basketball etc teams do not give a good overall example, unless the teams are smaller local teams as the larger clubs all have foreign players in their teams.
Actors, actresses and models are the more likely to have had their features surgically altered and hair colour changed than anyone. Their photos are also always airbrushed and digitally enhanced to make them look more attractive than they really are.
School parades are not great either as an example for an entire population, they are an indication of one small area only. Like Italy, Greeks differ in looks regionally. The people vary from taller, shorter, darker, fairer depending on the region, and then there are all the islands, each with their own individual characteristics.
But most of all I dislike these phenotype threads because, as ever, they are massive and sweeping generalisations. Taking a handful of photos and applying those people to an entire and varied population doesn't make a great deal of sense.
Greeks do not have a unified look according to me. One finds there elements from really dark (south Indian type) to blond and blue eyes, and anything in between. Its illogical to expect a Greek look when over 20 other ethnic groups are recorded to have ventured in Greece. I am mentioning few of them: Albanians, Slavs, Turks, Goths, Catalans, Venetians, Persians, Egyptians, Gypsies, Huns, Avars, Romans, Bulgarss. They contributed in Greeks gene pool in different percentages. There is a large Greek presence in NY City. But its hard to distinguish them from other emigrants. They own many Dinners in New York area. Trade oriented people in general. 80% I would say are white, southern type. The only people who can be distinguished in New York are Kosovo+Northern Albanians to a certain degree.
What I am amazed with Greeks is not their look, is the Nazi Party they have in Parliament. Their main leader is either Turk or a Gypsie
You better stop it with the provocations. I know for a fact you hate gypsies, and use it as a means to denigrate people. You know ZERO about populations genetics, and distinguishing phenotypes.
Well, I do not know if anyone will take into account what I say, but my opinion and not only mine is that the most original Greek physical types are found among the aromanians vlachs, the native Greek population of mainland Greece, especially prevalent in the past very much in Epir, Macedonia, Thessaly, Central Greece and Peloponnese even some islands. Many Aromanians mingled with the Slavs and West Asians / Levantines.
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You have chosen people of very different types.
Over and beyond that, how do you know what the "original" Greeks looked like? In what time period did the "original" Greeks live? Is it the Mycenaean period, the Classical period, or what?
This is what some Mycenaeans looked like from the evidence of a fresco in the tomb of one of them. Their pigmentation snps match this, with the fact that warriors were always portrayed with a tan.Some of your examples don't look anything like that.
Plus, it may be more logical to guess that the most "original" Greek looking people would be those living in areas with the least "Slavic" admixture, yet you include areas like Thessaly and Macedonia?
The Greeks with the least such admixture in mainland Greece would seem to be the people from the Southern Peloponnese according to genetic analysis.
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I can't imagine a Greek with Turkish influences physically.I do not know what big differences you have seen in the people I post, but you must know the majority that in times of time in the Greek territory (Byzantine and Ottoman later) the Aromanians were a significant population, including the Peloponnese, but they were elected through the Church, the Aromanians themselves have always supported Greece and Hellenism. The majority of Aromanians resembled physically, because in the past they rarely interfered with other nations practicing endogamy, having a protobalcanic physical type, unlike other Greek inhabitants who have Slavic or Turkish influences.
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