What I wrote is clear, I think. Let me rephrase it again for you : in a hybrid population, a small minority of individuals will inherit just the right genes to look like one of the founding population. If the founding population in question came from Egypt and was E1b1b + T, then perhaps 1 person out of 1000 in the Peloponese will look distinctly like these ancient Egyptians. Note that modern Egyptians have changed due to the inflow of genes from the Arabic peninsula, especially in the north of the country.
When I wrote Arabs, I meant in the broader sense, including Jordanians, Lebanese, Syrians and Iraqi, not just Saudis. Nevertheless, many Greeks do look closer to North Africans to me than to the European mainstream. Obviously Turks, Syrians or Lebanese will also share some of these phenotypes as they share the same haplogroups and the same founding populations. But the majority of West and North Turks looks more European than many Peloponese Greeks. Just have a look at Greek politicians. So many of them could pass for Tunisian, Algerian or Egyptian (although not Moroccan). Here are a few examples of phenotypes strongly influenced by the E1b1b + T gene pool in Greece.
Karolos Papoulias, President of Greece
George Papandreou, Jr., PM of Greece
Konstantinos Stephanopoulos, former president of Greece
Konstantinos Mitsotakis, former PM of Greece
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The blend of phenotypes from North Africa, Anatolia and Europe evolved into a distinctive Greek phenotype. These people don't look anything but Greek or South Italian (which is basically the same from a genetic point of view). Their phenotypes were especially influenced by E1b1b, G2a and J2. The Anatolian and Caucasian features are pretty clear here (but were virtually absent in the above examples).
Georgios Karatzaferis, MP
Haris Kastanidis, Minister of the Interior
Stavros Lambrinidis, Minister for Foreign Affairs
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Some Greeks look more South Slavic or Balkanic (which is basically Greek mixed with Slavic), like these :
Stefanos Manos, MP
Dimitris Avramopoulos, Mayor of Athens
I would say he looks like a Serb.
Giannis Ragousis, minister
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Here are examples of a Greek politicians who look more Western European (stronger
R1b and I influence)
Dimitrios Droutsas, former Minister of Foreign Affairs
Born in Cyprus. One wonders if he doesn't have some British ancestry to look like that.
Michalis Chrysohoidis, MP & minister
Could easily pass for French or North Italian.
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Then there are other interesting admixtures, like this guy who looks more like a blend of R1b + J2 + I1, with slightly slanted eyes and reddish hair, yet distinctly Greek.
Pavlos Geroulanos, Minister for Culture and Tourism
hmmm
lets see 1by 1
Papoylias it is not easily to put somewhere, He is born in Epirus, besides it is very old to have clear characteristics,
George papandreou is looking after his mother who was not of Greek origin, if you cut his mustache he could not even look greek, by his leaps shape he can be E-V13
Stefanopoulos could be E-V13, or J Y-Dna. I believe E-V13 due to lips shape
Mitsotakis surely not E, R1b is possible
karatzaferis is difficult, from the photos we could connect him with Papoylias to an epirotan style
kastanidis , possible R1a but the fat nose litlle wories me
Lamprinidis is surely J or G but big % of being J
manos is difficult
Avramopoulos could be all exept R1a and
ragkousis is strange case difficult
chrysohoidis is typical G i Believe
Geroulanos and droutsas is surely another style, Very big forehead and tall neck, hmm that type can be found in agrinio area mostly,
naaah I influence is big
all 3 ragousis geroulanos and droutsas, could be from later times, or special areas origin like aetolo-acarnania or Serres
geroulanos could be from Enetocracy times
Those phenotypes actually exist in North Africa because of Levantine (Phoenician, Jewish, -Arabic in the broader sense-) influence, they are not the original N/African phenotypes that existed there when E1b1b came in Greece (if it came directly from Egypt and not from Middle/East)...
well to both I remember that older style style anthropology had 3 main races,
the alpine of North,
the steppe or dinaric to middle and the mediterrenean,
well according macciamo theory 1/2 of r1b people is not even looking origianl r1/b
so i take 4 women in anatolia and have 2 kids I have 4 R1b lloking and 4 r1b carriers not looking to me,
if I go to greece this 8 man will give 64 people, BUT ONLY 16 (1/4) will be same like 1rst R1b
now in 3 generation we go to 1/8 etc,
THAT MEANS IF MAN WERE MOST THE EMIGRANT MAJORITY THEN MODERN POPPULATIONS LOOKS AFTER ALL AREAS R1b pass, they carry genes from anatolia to scotland via moving generations,
But the majority of modern areas is after the mother look,
that offcourse depends on how many women they had with them,
But I believe that R1b of west Europe today does not have the original look of R1b in early times
so R1b in scotland surelly is different from R1b in Caucas,
the same with R1a
a R1a people in India have dark skin and is different than a R1a in Denmark,
the similarity depends in generations multiple and how many women where carried from starting point,
IF I COMPARE A R1a M17 (or 19) of India with a R1a same in Denmark
THE DIFFERENCES ARE HUGE,
Baltic people have mostly a saami looking, why? why in russia we find finnic elements,
cause it mostly the phenotype that was there invasion,
That is why older anthropology spoke about mediterrenean race,
now historically I know at least 2 cases thyrrenian pirates stealing Attica women, and Romans stealing the women of Savini people,
so next generation of romans would be 50% savini looking !!!!! wow, no romans at all
the temptation to find a Y-Dna is wow, although if mother was chinese he could be looking chinese
after all we are all males, and we learn to search marks on who's the kid? :wary2:
on the other some typical of IE we may found them from caucas to scotland,
but who are they?
if you live in an area of many sub culture you learn to recon people, that forces us to put people to Haplogroup,
some characteristic is typical,
the difference for example of R1a people with E-v13 by my notice is the leaps and forehead,
r1a people have at least in areas we believe are majority thin leaps that do not turn outside,
while E-V13 have opposite,
although that can be wrong, cause a boy is mostly after mother and not by father,
PS i like very much to put people in Haplogroup due to some characteristics
although it is like gambling,