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    Y-DNA haplogroup
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aspar View Post
    A2512 is very mysterious indeed.
    Taking in consideration the TMRCA of this subbranch and the fact that it hasn't been found in any Slavic group yet, we can assume that this subbranch had arrived in Greece somewhere between 200 B.C. and 600 A.D.
    The most probable migrations that brought it were those of the Goths and Huns.
    Having been found in a Chuvash man only confirms my suspicion that this subbranch have been brought either by Goths who have acquired it from the Huns or have been brought by the Huns themselves.
    We know about the the Gothic and Hunnic raids in the Balkans and also about the numerous Gothic and Hunnic warriors and other officials in service of the Byzantine empire.
    Or it could have been brought by some Slavic tribe still, that have settled in Greece and had that specific mutation.
    Idk, Theres quite a few Slavic(and a Baltic) samples on y-full belonging to sub-branches of I-A2512. Poland, Belarus, Lithuania. Albeit younger than the Greek sample. Yet still not conclusive(considering Yfull is not representative of all data).

    I-A2512 is also a descendant of I-Y3120, which is(per yfull) Polish. It's immediate descendant clade I-Z17855(sister clade of I-A2512) are predominantly South-Slavic Samples(one Polish and Ukrainian sample) - https://www.yfull.com/tree/I-Z17855/

    https://www.yfull.com/tree/I-A2512/

    Chances are(whether it was Gothic or not originally)it was part of the Slavic Expansion. If the Greek samples were Basal CTS10228 or older, I would reckon Goths definitely. Or maybe Bastarnae.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dibran View Post
    Idk, Theres quite a few Slavic(and a Baltic) samples on y-full belonging to sub-branches of I-A2512. Poland, Belarus, Lithuania. Albeit younger than the Greek sample.
    All of these people appear to be Jewish. None of them appear to be non-Jewish Slavs. They are downstream of Greeks in the tree and likely migrated to Eastern Europe from wherever they lived among Greeks. Here is the FTDNA I2a haplogroup project, showing the people and their surnames.

    https://tinyurl.com/y9lopbjq

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ralphie Boy View Post
    All of these people appear to be Jewish. None of them appear to be non-Jewish Slavs. They are downstream of Greeks in the tree and likely migrated to Eastern Europe from wherever they lived among Greeks. Here is the FTDNA I2a haplogroup project, showing the people and their surnames.

    https://tinyurl.com/y9lopbjq
    Interesting, What about its ancestor branch and sister clade? I-A2512 is also a descendant of I-Y3120, which is(per yfull) Polish. It's immediate descendant clade I-Z17855(sister clade of I-A2512) are predominantly South-Slavic Samples(one Polish and Ukrainian sample) - https://www.yfull.com/tree/I-Z17855/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dibran View Post
    Interesting, What about its ancestor branch and sister clade? I-A2512 is also a descendant of I-Y3120, which is(per yfull) Polish. It's immediate descendant clade I-Z17855(sister clade of I-A2512) are predominantly South-Slavic Samples(one Polish and Ukrainian sample) - https://www.yfull.com/tree/I-Z17855/
    Is it not possible that A2512 predated Slavic migrations in Greece? What about earlier invasions, like Goths?

    There are two major branches of A2512: A10959 and A7134. The Eastern European Jews are downstream in A10959, and the Chuvash and Spanish people are in A7134.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aspar View Post
    And they should not be counted, because they are not native to the region!
    Only pre-1920 inhabitants should count!
    Just saw that.

    Ive not said that they should be included. In 1-2 generations they eventually will be.

    All I am saying is that when we say "in Nothern Greece this and this bla bla bla" etc we don't have the actual picture of the area, which is A LOT different because of the huge numbers of people with different ancestry.

    I can't recall any other area in Europe today that the studied "truth" is so different from the actual one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dibran View Post
    Idk, Theres quite a few Slavic(and a Baltic) samples on y-full belonging to sub-branches of I-A2512. Poland, Belarus, Lithuania. Albeit younger than the Greek sample. Yet still not conclusive(considering Yfull is not representative of all data).

    I-A2512 is also a descendant of I-Y3120, which is(per yfull) Polish. It's immediate descendant clade I-Z17855(sister clade of I-A2512) are predominantly South-Slavic Samples(one Polish and Ukrainian sample)

    Chances are(whether it was Gothic or not originally)it was part of the Slavic Expansion. If the Greek samples were Basal CTS10228 or older, I would reckon Goths definitely. Or maybe Bastarnae.
    Yes, somehow I've missed that.
    I thought that this particular marker is found only in Greeks but now I see that it is found in some East European countries as well.
    And I don't believe that all of those people are Jewish as other member said.
    I've checked the FTDNA's I2a haplogroup project and among the Greeks there is one man apparently with a Jewish name, the other are not listed there.
    As it seems, whole I2a1b-Dinaric, is the best evidence for the Slavic genetic footprint in the Balkans.

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    Dodecanese Islanders have '23% E' Y-Dna. What about subclades?

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    is there new data for Greece from Geno2, it seems like we have stuck with these datas for the last decade? there should have been much larger projects to give much better refined results!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ihype02 View Post
    Dodecanese Islanders have '23% E' Y-Dna. What about subclades?
    I believe not much different than Cyprus and other nearby islands, therefore I expect E-L791 and mostly E-Y4971 subclade and maybe E-Y6923.
    Than I expect E-V22 and some subclades of it.
    When it comes to E-V13, I expect some old subclades like S7461, Y16729, Y3183, Y3762 and others.
    And finally, and most numerous on top of that, I expect CTS9320 which looks like subclade that could have been brought by the Dorians!

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    Anyone knows the specific Y-DNA makeup of the people of Western Crete (Chania)? Especially Kissamos. I'm not very knowledgeable in this kind of thing but I'm interested. Ty in advance :)

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    I-M223, Subclade I-L701. Father, Grandfather, Grand-grand-father from Thessaly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by archaiocapilos View Post
    Northern Greeks (Thrace & Macedonia) (296 samples)
    I : 21.6
    R1a : 18.2
    R1b : 13.2
    E1b : 20.6
    G2 : 4.7
    J2 : 14.9
    J1 : 3.4
    LT : 2.7
    * : 0.7


    Central Greeks (Epirus & Thessaly) (127 samples)
    I : 12.6
    R1a : 11.8
    R1b : 10.2
    E1b : 31.5
    G2 : 6.3
    J2 : 18.1
    J1 : 3.9
    LT : 3.9
    * : 1.6


    Southern Greeks (Sterea Hellas & Peloponnese) (264 samples)
    I : 12.9
    R1a : 10.2
    R1b : 20.5
    E1b : 25.8
    G2 : 3.4
    J2 : 19.7
    J1 : 2.3
    LT : 3.8
    * : 1.5


    Eastern Greeks (Aegean islands & Ionia) (158 samples)
    I : 11.4
    R1a : 7.6
    R1b : 22.8
    E1b : 20.3
    G2 : 8.2
    J2 : 19.6
    J1 : 5.1
    LT : 3.2
    * : 1.9

    Cretan Greeks (Crete) (193 samples)
    I : 13.0
    R1a : 8.8
    R1b : 17.1
    E1b : 8.8
    G2 : 10.9
    J2 : 30.6
    J1 : 8.3
    LT : 2.6
    *: -


    All Greeks (1038 samples)
    I : 15.1
    R1a : 12.0
    R1b : 16.9
    E1b : 21.0
    G2 : 6.3
    J2 : 20.1
    J1 : 4.3
    LT : 3.2
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aspar View Post
    Yes, somehow I've missed that.
    I thought that this particular marker is found only in Greeks but now I see that it is found in some East European countries as well.
    And I don't believe that all of those people are Jewish as other member said.
    I've checked the FTDNA's I2a haplogroup project and among the Greeks there is one man apparently with a Jewish name, the other are not listed there.
    As it seems, whole I2a1b-Dinaric, is the best evidence for the Slavic genetic footprint in the Balkans.
    There are a lot of Jews downstream of Y23115, which is under A10959. They may all be Jewish. The FTDNA I2a project has names like Rosen, Moses, Chaim, Sholom, Feldman, etc. The results are on page two

    https://www.familytreedna.com/public...ction=yresults

    The FTDNA project administrator also states the people are Jewish.

    http://i2aproject.blogspot.com/2017/...and-i.html?m=1

    One Russian Y18331 is from Tobolsk, which is very far away from the East European countries of the Jewish ancestors: Lithuania, Poland, Belarus, etc.

    As of yet there appear to be no East European non-Jews nor Balkan Slavs in Y18331. The Jews and Greeks in A10959 had their common ancestor an estimated 2,000 years ago, around the time the Greek branch Y66192 and the Jewish branch Y23115 separated. The Jewish males are under Y23115.

    https://www.yfull.com/tree/I-Y18331/

    The Y18331 Greeks are from different parts of Greece, from north, south and west. Maybe Y18331 is from Slavs, but it has a very unusual distribution pattern when there are no Balkan Slavs yet with Y18331, and the east Europeans with the haplogroup are Jewish.
    Last edited by Ralphie Boy; 01-04-19 at 17:06.

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    My haplogroup is R-F2935 subclade of R-Z93. Quite rare in Greece.

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