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    Quote Originally Posted by zanipolo View Post
    no , I wanted to say that R1b and J2 in crete are not "greek " but NE itlay, meaning , by just saying R!b everyone thinks its identical to R1b on the greek mainland , same with J2
    hahaha infact J2 is not NE Italian,
    we find it also in Makedonia, the Bottiaians same J from Crete we find in Greek makedonia and is far ancient, before the begining of Makedonians,
    and in Syrria due to colonization by Minoans,
    That J2 in crete makedonia and rest of Greeks which also can be found in Pontic Greeks (not same but very close) IS THE PROVE OF THE HATTIANS the pelasgians, the Hath-Cretans or Eteo-cretans

    and indeed that R1b you talk about exist in Makedonia Greece,
    while the Chania R1b is different,

    remember that Crete had enetocracy and that allows the existance of some venetic,
    but that R1b exist also in Northern Greece,
    a possible colonization from venice is accepted to the small numbers that exist every where venice occupied Greek lands, possibly exist and not found and in some other areas like 7 ionic Islands or some Aegean,
    Remember that crete was given to Monferat who sold them to others and Kept thessaloniki
    so some families, could moved there, as in many other areas,
    the ones that live in plateau are typical,
    I like crete very much and have friends there,
    with a sharp eye you can find them easy

    a more search to Enetic places could find some more places with that R1b, but small numbers, remember that Venice and Genouates were half accepted in the begining, half of them left, but half of them stayed,

    better read again about Pelasgians, and Hattians, a non IE caucasoid (J)

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    Quote Originally Posted by iapetoc View Post
    hahaha infact J2 is not NE Italian,
    we find also in Makedonia, the Bottiaians same J from Crete we find in Greek makedonia and is far ancient, before the begining of Makedonians,
    and in Syrria due to colonization by Minoans,
    hahahaha I know , all the article says that the J2 and R!b is closer to the NE italy marker than the Balkan markers for crete.
    LOL.
    Maybe all the writers of the articles are idiots

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    Quote Originally Posted by zanipolo View Post
    hahahaha I know , all the article says that the J2 and R!b is closer to the NE italy marker than the Balkan markers for crete.
    LOL.
    Maybe all the writers of the articles are idiots
    Actually mainland Greeks, Aegeans and Cretans share most of J2 sub-clades (like J2a4b, J2a4b1, J2a4h1a, J2b1, J2b2) but differ in percentages... Crete is an island so it is expected to be somewhat different than the Greek mainstream when it comes to frequencies of haplogroups (Crete has it's own J2a sub-clade for example which rises to 7-8%).
    But Cretan R1b1a2 is not that different than that of other Greeks.
    Greeks / Cretans
    R1b-M173 (total) : 17 % / 17 %
    R1b1* : - / 0.5 %
    R1b1a2-M269 : 2 % / 3 %
    R1b1a2a-L23 : 11 % / 7 %
    R1b1a2a1a2a-U152 : 4 % / 6.5 %

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    Quote Originally Posted by archaiocapilos View Post
    Actually mainland Greeks, Aegeans and Cretans share most of J2 sub-clades (like J2a4b, J2a4b1, J2a4h1a, J2b1, J2b2) but differ in percentages... Crete is an island so it is expected to be somewhat different than the Greek mainstream when it comes to frequencies of haplogroups (Crete has it's own J2a sub-clade for example which rises to 7-8%).
    But Cretan R1b1a2 is not that different than that of other Greeks.
    Greeks / Cretans
    R1b-M173 (total) : 17 % / 17 %
    R1b1* : - / 0.5 %
    R1b1a2-M269 : 2 % / 3 %
    R1b1a2a-L23 : 11 % / 7 %
    R1b1a2a1a2a-U152 : 4 % / 6.5 %
    yes zanipolo speaks about the red hair of lasithi plateu which share a common R1b marker with North and west of Venice area,

    infact it is interesting that the coonections of that R1b some authors make it connection of J2 !!!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by archaiocapilos View Post
    Actually mainland Greeks, Aegeans and Cretans share most of J2 sub-clades (like J2a4b, J2a4b1, J2a4h1a, J2b1, J2b2) but differ in percentages... Crete is an island so it is expected to be somewhat different than the Greek mainstream when it comes to frequencies of haplogroups (Crete has it's own J2a sub-clade for example which rises to 7-8%).
    But Cretan R1b1a2 is not that different than that of other Greeks.
    Greeks / Cretans
    R1b-M173 (total) : 17 % / 17 %
    R1b1* : - / 0.5 %
    R1b1a2-M269 : 2 % / 3 %
    R1b1a2a-L23 : 11 % / 7 %
    R1b1a2a1a2a-U152 : 4 % / 6.5 %
    if what you say is correct , then the U152 marker must have come from the alpine area to crete as this represent the celtic marker.

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    Quote Originally Posted by archaiocapilos View Post
    Actually mainland Greeks, Aegeans and Cretans share most of J2 sub-clades (like J2a4b, J2a4b1, J2a4h1a, J2b1, J2b2) but differ in percentages... Crete is an island so it is expected to be somewhat different than the Greek mainstream when it comes to frequencies of haplogroups (Crete has it's own J2a sub-clade for example which rises to 7-8%).
    But Cretan R1b1a2 is not that different than that of other Greeks.
    Greeks / Cretans
    R1b-M173 (total) : 17 % / 17 %
    R1b1* : - / 0.5 %
    R1b1a2-M269 : 2 % / 3 %
    R1b1a2a-L23 : 11 % / 7 %
    R1b1a2a1a2a-U152 : 4 % / 6.5 %

    since you did not mention the ionion greeks, ( corfu, ithaca, zachanthos etc etc ) are they or do they have different markers?

    as you state

    Eastern Greeks (Aegean islands & Ionia) (158 samples)
    I : 11.4
    R1a : 7.6
    R1b : 22.8
    E1b : 20.3
    G2 : 8.2
    J2 : 19.6
    J1 : 5.1
    LT : 3.2
    * : 1.9

    joining aegean and ionion together.............unless my geography is wrong , I was taught the aegean is on the east of the greek mainland and the ionion is on the west of the mainland.

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    R1b-U152 is also associated with Romans who I think brought this linage in Greece, allthough some originally Celtic influence might have occured

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    Quote Originally Posted by zanipolo View Post
    since you did not mention the ionion greeks, ( corfu, ithaca, zachanthos etc etc ) are they or do they have different markers?

    as you state

    Eastern Greeks (Aegean islands & Ionia) (158 samples)
    I : 11.4
    R1a : 7.6
    R1b : 22.8
    E1b : 20.3
    G2 : 8.2
    J2 : 19.6
    J1 : 5.1
    LT : 3.2
    * : 1.9

    joining aegean and ionion together.............unless my geography is wrong , I was taught the aegean is on hte east of the greek mainland and the ionion is on the west of the mainland.
    Ionion pelagos(named after Io) is in the west but Ionia region (named after Ionians) is in the Aegean shores of Asia Minor that's why I classified them under a broad Eastern Greek region

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    Quote Originally Posted by zanipolo View Post
    since you did not mention the ionion greeks, ( corfu, ithaca, zachanthos etc etc ) are they or do they have different markers?

    as you state

    Eastern Greeks (Aegean islands & Ionia) (158 samples)
    I : 11.4
    R1a : 7.6
    R1b : 22.8
    E1b : 20.3
    G2 : 8.2
    J2 : 19.6
    J1 : 5.1
    LT : 3.2
    * : 1.9

    joining aegean and ionion together.............unless my geography is wrong , I was taught the aegean is on hte east of the greek mainland and the ionion is on the west of the mainland.
    hahahahaha

    that is the mistake that i see many times done by many,

    Ionic Islands is the west Islands,
    Ionian is the minor asian area,

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    Quote Originally Posted by iapetoc View Post
    hahahahaha

    that is the mistake that i see many times done by many,

    Ionic Islands is the west Islands,
    Ionian is the minor asian area,
    hmmm ok, then where is the ionion sea, is it not on the italian side?

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    Quote Originally Posted by archaiocapilos View Post
    Ionion pelagos(named after Io) is in the west but Ionia region (named after Ionians) is in the Aegean shores of Asia Minor that's why I classified them under a broad Eastern Greek region
    ok, so do you have data for the greek islands between Italy and greece ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by zanipolo View Post
    hmmm ok, then where is the ionion sea, is it not on the italian side?
    it is hard to understand in english,

    Ιονιον is the south Adriatiic
    Ιωνια is the east agean and minor asia

    compare Ιονιον (neutral) Ιωνια (female)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maciamo View Post
    That's the Martinez et al. 2007 study I mentioned. This brings the total of samples for Crete to 504. The frequencies are those indicated in the table.
    I used King's data about Cretans because it was the largest and most refined (in sub-clades typed) paper allthough I Knew of the other papers too. I also wanted regions to be equally represented and if I included 504 Cretans my all-Greek frequencies would be distorted towards Cretan Y-DNA.
    BTW when all 504 samples are counted the outcome is :
    I : 12.4
    R1a : 9.1
    R1b : 15.3
    G2 : 8.5
    E1b1b : 10.9
    J2 : 34.2
    J1 : 4.8
    LT : 4.4
    * : 0.8
    which is again a little different than your table...You make it seem as Cretans have 30% of what you call ''European'' haplogroups while they have around 37% the same way you make Greek ''European'' Y-DNA 39% while it is 43%. I detect a little bias towards Greeks, you even classified Smyrnians under Turks for God's shake...

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    In fact Smyrnians (ancient Smyrna being a small Aeolian city that was included in Ionian dodecapolis) seem closer to Aeolian Mytilene-Lesbos in E1b1b and J2a/J2b frequencies while Fokaia (which was a big Ionian city from the begining) seems closer to Ionian Chios for this haplogroups but Smyrnians have propably mixxed with Ionians and natives later so their R1b1a2 grew larger and their R1a1a was reduced...

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    Quote Originally Posted by zanipolo View Post
    One of the studies you quoted links Cretans with mainland Greeks first, than with Cypriot Greeks, than with Anatolian Turks and lastly with other Balkanians (the frequencies of a certain gene decline from 5.6% in Cretans/ to 3.4% in mainland Greeks/ to 2.?% in Cypriot Greeks/ to 1.5% in Anatolian Turks (from west Asia Minor)/ to 0% in Bulgarians...

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    There's also a misunderstanding of what makes Cretans different from mainland Greeks...
    E1b1b in Di Giaccomo's paper is :
    Patra : 44.4% (8/18)
    Ioannina : 29.2% (7/24)
    Heraklion : 26.2 (11/42) Crete
    Chania : 24.1% (7/29) Crete

    Karditsa : 24.0% (6/25)
    Serres : 24.0% (6/25)
    Chios : 23.8% (10/42)
    Thessalonike : 20.0% (4/20)
    Mytilene : 18.5% (5/27)
    Larissa : 14.3% (3/21)
    Agrinio : 9.5% (2/21)


    Rethymno : 9.1 (2/22) Crete
    Lasithi : 4.0% (2/50) Crete

    so Cretans with a 15.4% E1b1b in Di Giaccomo's paper look quite closer to mainland Greeks than the paper of King et.al (2007-08) suggested, primarly becauce of the large percentage of E1b1b in Argolis and Sesclo(where they tested villagers who are unlikely to represent the mainstream Greek population) in contrast to the low percentage of E1b1b observed from the 193 samples of Cretans.
    Cretans are on the one extreme of Greek variation with 35% J2 / 11% E1b1b while
    Peloponnesians are on the other extreme with 16% J2 / 37% E1b1b.
    All the other Greeks fall within this two extremes, so Cretans are not more differentiated from other Greeks than Peloponnesians are. Why are always Cretans associated with the old and possible outdated conclusions of King et.al is something I can't understand...



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    I don't know what I did wrong in the above post. What I wrote is that Cretans in King et.al 2007 seem far away from mainland Greek samples but those Greek samples don't represent the mainstream Greek population (because they exxagerate E1b1b frequency) while the low frequency observed in Crete is doubled in Di Giaccomo's paper...
    Cretans are on the one extreme of Greek variation with 35% J2 / 11% E1b1b while
    Peloponnesian Greeks are on the other extreme with 16% J2 / 37% E1b1b
    All the other Greeks fall within this two extremes so Cretans are as much atypical Greeks as Peloponnesians but it's only Cretans who are thought of as different than other Greeks...

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    I have recalculated all the data for Greece using the same nominal geographic division as archaiocapilos, except that I placed the data of Agrinion in Central Greece instead of South Greece, and I didn't take Ionia into account.

    There are two ways of calculating the frequencies for the whole country :

    1) make the total of the samples of all regions for each haplogroup and calculate the percentages. The problem with this method is that it gives more weight to regions with more samples, like Crete which has 40% of the samples.

    2) the average of percentage for the five regions, which gives a better balance country-wide.

    There is one main difference between the two methods. The first gives a higher percentage of J2 (24% against 20.5%) and a lower percentage of E1b1b (19% against 22%). I actually did an average of the two methods. Other haplogroups don't vary much with either method.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zanipolo View Post
    ok, so do you have data for the greek islands between Italy and greece ?
    Yes, I'd be interested in that data too zanipolo. The islands extend from Kerkyra (Corfu) in the north and continue down to Kythera and Antikythera (18kms) off western Crete. They have a different history and influence than the easten islands being under Venetian, French and lastly British rule before their return to Greece.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Antigone View Post
    Yes, I'd be interested in that data too zanipolo. The islands extend from Kerkyra (Corfu) in the north and continue down to Kythera and Antikythera (18kms) off western Crete. They have a different history and influence than the easten islands being under Venetian, French and lastly British rule before their return to Greece.
    So they would have more R1b1a2 -U152 and G2a3b1,J1 while less of E1b1b,R1a1a and I-M170 than the rest of Greeks...haplogroup J2 would remain the same

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    Quote Originally Posted by archaiocapilos View Post
    So they would have more R1b1a2 -U152 and G2a3b1,J1 while less of E1b1b,R1a1a and I-M170 than the rest of Greeks...haplogroup J2 would remain the same
    nope I don't believe so, all will be decreased except R1b which might be raised, and a possible raise of I from east Adriatic,

    a possible case of G2a3b1 is standar in greece and almost equal scattered except 2-3 areas, which raise a little,

    Corfu and Kythera should be tottaly diferent,

    remember Kythera was destroyed 2-3 last centuries,

    while Corfu had Linton (a libro d' oro area) Venetian elite,

    I am interesting in Ithake and Cephallonia and zakynthos

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    Thanks archaiocapilos and iapetoc!

    Yes, Kerkyra, Kythera and even Antikythera are very different from each other. Kytherians have a Peloponnesian influence where as Antikythera is more influenced by Crete. But you can still see the Venetian and British influences as well.

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    Maciamo I think that you should reconsider the whole -Ionian Greeks- issue because...
    1. ex-Ottoman Empire was multi-ethnic with all of this ethnic/religious classes not inter-marrying with each other (especially Christians vs Muslims). This is confirmed by genetics where it is obvious that Asia Minor Greeks are completely different from Asia Minor Turks...
    2. Their Y-DNA allmost perfectly resembles that of Aegean Greeks with whom I have classified them under Eastern Greeks (GREEKS not Greece). It also resembles average or mainstream Greek Y-DNA.
    3. Their descendants live in Greece today and like all other Anatolian Greeks who were expelled from their homeland have contributed to the Greek gene pool, so if anything, their Y-DNA is relevant with modern Greece rather than modern Turkey
    4. Greeks resemble Jews and Armenians in this matter (all of them being international peoples untill 200 years ago). Religion played a significant role in keeping this three peoples distinct from the people they lived among... so if you don't classify German Jews as Germans but as Ashkenazi you shouldn't classify Anatolian Greeks as Turks but as Eastern Greeks
    5. Turkey as a distinct modern state was formed after the ex-change of populations between Greeks and Turks. So litterally speaking Ionian Greeks descend from Ottoman Empire Greeks 100 years ago...but Macedonian Greeks also origin from Ottoman Empire Greeks 100 years ago (because Macedonia was under Ottoman rule untill 1912) and so did all of Greeks 200 years ago (because all of Greece-and the Balkans-was Ottoman ruled back then). In fact Ionia region was for a while given to Greece between 1919-1922 because it was a region with significant Greek population (more than 50%) but Greeks lost the war and the current borders of Greece-Turkey were finally formed in 1922...
    6. Finally why do you accept Anatolian Kurds as different from Anatolian Turks and you don't do the same for Anatolian Greeks?

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    Quote Originally Posted by iapetoc View Post
    Finally and interesting,

    I2a2<I1 !!!!!! + I2*-B !!!!!!
    No Iapetoc I think you got it wrong...what was called I2a2-Din now is called I2a1b-Din and what was called I2b now is called I2a2. The nomenclature changes fast as new mutations that link haplogroups are being identified...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maciamo View Post
    In other words, Greeks who used to live in Anatolia should only be used for the data about Turkey.
    Why should they be used for Turkey since they never lived in a country named Turkey?
    Quote Originally Posted by Maciamo View Post
    The point of Y-DNA studies is to estimate the ethnic admixtures in a country or region. If you intentionally remove an ethnic group that has lived in that region for thousands of years, the results will be skewed.
    Now look Maciamo, when Turkish scientists sample an Afshar village (Afshars being nomadic Turks from central Asia who settled in Anatolia in various waves, even recently) this samples are not included in central Asia (Iran, Afghanistan or Uzbekistan) but under Turkey where they currently live...they also include Tatars and Turkmens and others who live in Turkey under their broad Turkish category and they rightly do it because they want to estimate the ethnic admixtures in modern Turks. I'm sure they include Turks of Albanian,Bosnian and Cretan origin too and they don't name them Balkan Turks or classify them under Albania, Bosnia or Crete.
    Greeks who used to live in Anatolia are usefull to compare them with Anatolian Turks and detect the level of Greek admixture in Turks and the Turkish admixture in Greeks or the native/Anatolian admixture in both of them...but are not usefull to detect the modern ethnic admixture in Turkey since they don't live there, they live in Greece (Anatolian Greeks constitute close to 25% of modern Greeks) and should be used to identify modern Greek ethnic admixture, don't you think?

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