Dodecad project : highest percentage for each admixture

[Knovas]

That's simply not true. I share genoms with quite near easterns at 23andme, and the global similarity they show taking African regions as reference, is much more higher than any other simillarity showed by Iberians. The explanation is very easy: West Asian and Southwest Asian are INTERMEDIATE clusters, not the case of the Mediterranean, West European, and East European.

Sorry for YOU if the truth hurts your feelings.

[Goga]

That's simply not true. I share genoms with quite near easterns at 23andme, and the global similarity they show taking African regions as reference, is much more higher than any other simillarity showed by Iberians. The explanation is very easy: West Asian and Southwest Asian are INTERMEDIATE clusters, not the case of the Mediterranean, West European, and East European.

Sorry for YOU if the truth hurts your feelings.

South West Asia is not Africa! Arabs are not Africans.


The Mediterranean is close to West Europe because of R1b. But the Mediterranean is closer to Africa than to East Europe! More E than R1a!!!


West Asia is very close to East Europe!!! And West Asia = West Asia!


Sorry to hurt your feelings.

[Knovas]

Stop with the nonsense, this is not a geography lesson. We talk about genetics, and near easterns are an INTERMIDIATE group (second time). Then, they are much closer to Africans, especially East Africans.

Time to pick some kleenex.

[Goga]

Stop with the nonsense, this is not a geography lesson. We talk about genetics, and near easterns are an INTERMIDIATE group (second time). Then, they are much closer to Africans, especially East Africans.

Time to pick some kleenex.

Sure according to you CHINA is closer to Africa than the Mediterranean.

[Knovas]

China is predominatly Mongoloid, don't start twisting things again. Near Easterns are much more intermediate than them.

You should revise your notions, I can't understand how do you relate such things.

[Goga]

China is predominatly Mongoloid, don't start twisting things again. Near Easterns are much more intermediate than them.

You should revise your notions, I can't understand how do you relate such things.

???

Are you saying that Georgians, Armenians or Kurds have more African blood in them than the Iberians???? That's crazy!!!!

Haplogroup E is African. The Mediterraneans have MUCH more E than West Asians. FACT!!!!


I have a question for you. What is closer to Africa: the Mediterranean or CHINA??? I'm sure you will say CHINA, lol...

[Knovas]

I'll answer your last question when I'll check 23andme again with the global similarities (I'm not sure now).

The other part has been answered. Intermediate clusters give higher affinities with so many different regions. And near easterns are much more simillar to Africans than any other Iberian. I'm 100% sure about this.

Sorry if you don't like, but this is what genetics say.


PD: And forget about haplogroups, they tell very little about the full admixture. But even, if you like that, don't forget to mention haplogrop T. Much more present between near easterns than Spaniards.

[Goga]

Near Easterns ARE not the same as WEST Asian. Some Near Easterns have Mongoloid roots, some Semitic roots, some Caucasian (Caucasus) roots and some Iranic roots.

I think that ARABS and Semites in the SOUTH are related to Africans, but not the people close to the Caucasus.
I think that Turks are even closer to China than to Africa.

Also some peoples in Africa have South West Asian roots (J1 & T).

Sure Arabs are much much closer to Africans than the Mediterraneans will ever be. Semitic languages and African languages are very close.


T is maybe not from Africa.

[Knovas]

Near easterns are a core of West Asian and Southwest Asian. Even Georgians are not 100% West Asian (althought they are the most similar thing), so you'll always get aproximate numbers. I share genomes with a Georgian at 23andme, and he appeared more similar to Africans than Iberians. However, I'll try to share with other Georgians and tell you the results if you are interested.

[Wilhelm2]

And it's not true what you say. Kurds have more E than Spain (11.5 versus 7) you can check it in the table of Eupedia. But anyways, we are talking about autosomal here, not haplogroups.

[Knovas]

And they have Southwest Asian too. And Mediterranean, East European. West European...However, I read in other posts that he does not accept those results...¿what else can I say? XD

[Wilhelm2]

When looking at autosomal plots, the West-Asians are also closer to North-Africans, than any South-European :

[Goga]

Near easterns are a core of West Asian and Southwest Asian. Even Georgians are not 100% West Asian (althought they are the most similar thing), so you'll always get aproximate numbers. I share genomes with a Georgian at 23andme, and he appeared more similar to Africans than Iberians. However, I'll try to share with other Georgians and tell you the results if you are interested.

Ok. West Asia and Southwest Asia is not 1 group. Southwest Asia has less J2, G2a, but much more J1, E.

I think that West Asia countries in the Caucasus are closer to East Europe than to Arabic countries.

When they say that the Middle East is closer to Africa than Europe I think they mean Arabs. Because Arabs live in the Middle East and in Africa. They exported J1 to Africa and imported E to the Middle East, mostly Southwest Asia. These haplogroups tie both continents, together with T of course.

Thank you for the offer. I'm very much interested in the correlation between the African and Gerogian genome.

[Goga]

When looking at autosomal plots, the West-Asians are also closer to North-Africans, than any South-European :

Where is Africa? I don't see Africa on this map.

PS. Oh sorry. Now I see Morrocan & Egyptian.

[Wilhelm2]

Ok. West Asia and Southwest Asia is not 1 group. Southwest Asia has less J2, G2a, but much more J1, E.

I think that West Asia countries in the Caucasus are closer to East Europe than to Arabic countries.

When they say that the Middle East is closer to Africa than Europe I think they mean Arabs. Because Arabs live in the Middle East and in Africa. They exported J1 to Africa and imported E to the Middle East, mostly Southwest Asia. These haplogroups tie both continents, together with T of course.

Thank you for the offer. I'm very much interested in the correlation between the African and Gerogian genome.

You are mixing haplogroups with autosomal. Please, get your facts straight. People of Caucasus are much closer to middle-easterns than to East-Europeans. In fact, Georgians cluster with Irianians and Turks, as you can see in many autosomal plots.

[Goga]

You are mixing haplogroups with autosomal. Please, get your facts straight. People of Caucasus are much closer to middle-easterns than to East-Europeans. In fact, Georgians cluster with Irianians and Turks, as you can see in many autosomal plots.

Where is this plot from?

Well as you can see on this map Spain and Italy are further away from Russia than Georgia from Russia !!!

Georgia is CLOSER to Russia than Spain to Russia!

[Goga]

Where is Greece???

Cyptriot DNA is as close to Africa as Georgian DNA to Africa.


I suppose that Greece is the same as Cyprus????

[Knovas]

In next days, I'll search for Georgian people at 23andme and post the African numbers of the global similarity if they accept me. I'll also show Iberian numbers for comparison. On the other side, I'll check the similarities of a Chinese person for comparison with Southern Europeans.

In the last exercise, you must keep in mind that a 100% Mediterranean person does not exist (chinese are 99% Asia aprox), and that this cluster does not make any distintion between Southwest and Southeast Europe. I say this because I'll use the numbers of the top scorer at Mediterranean between others. He is Iberian, what means essentially Southwest (54%) and the rest is Northern European (42%), with very little non European. As you can imagine, the similarities with African regions (specially black africa) are very low in this case. For the moment it's enough, just tell you to give an idea and consider all time the peculiarities of concrete populations.

[Goga]

BTW this whole map s*cks big time. How can Georgia be closer to Russia, than Spain or Italy to Russia, BUT at the same time also closer to Africa, than Spain to Africa. While Spain is next to Africa.

Maybe because Africans have Georgian genes otherwise this whole graph doesn't make ANY sense!!!!

Also they deliberately excluded Greece. Which scientist made this graph ???

[Knovas]

University professor Dr. Doug McDonald.

Georgians have too much West Asian to be specially closer to Russians. Keep in mind that Russians have very high Northern European...I personally don't see nothing rare.

[Goga]

And Jews are closer to the Italians than the Basque to the Italians??

[Goga]

University professor Dr. Doug McDonald.

Georgians have too much West Asian to be specially closer to Russians. Keep in mind that Russians have very high Northern European...I personally don't see nothing rare.

No, Turks are even closer to Russians than Georgians. Turks have much less West Asian component in them than Georgians. Maybe the CENTRAL Asian component (mongoloid) connects Turks with Russians ???

I smell some fraud or he made big mistakes, but it's ok with me...

[Knovas]

Jews are characterized to have high West Asian and Southwest Asian, and Italians have quite of it too. It's perfectly possible.

If you see the Basques extremely removed it's because they represent a genetic isolate, and the same for Sardinians. In these two cases does not mean they are extremly different from Iberians or Italians, I think it's just a reperesentation of isolation. I don't take this two cases literaly, since one of my highest genome matches is Basque, and Doug McDonald told me that I was 100% Spanish.

[Wilhelm2]

BTW this whole map s*cks big time. How can Georgia be closer to Russia, than Spain or Italy to Russia, BUT at the same time also closer to Africa, than Spain to Africa. While Spain is next to Africa.

Maybe because Africans have Georgian genes otherwise this whole graph doesn't make ANY sense!!!!

Also they deliberately excluded Greece. Which scientist made this graph ???

Please, calm down. It's from PhD Dr. Doug McDonald, a university professor. But if you don't like it, there are others from Dodecad or Eurogenes :

http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/1...teurasia12.gif

http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o...al_Eurasia.png


http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-_6XAIk6ygt...s1600/waeu.png

[Wilhelm2]

And Jews are closer to the Italians than the Basque to the Italians??

Yes, of course. Jews are genetically very similiar to South-Italians and Greeks. While Basques are very different, they are almost 100% european,