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    Btw in this other table the Georgians are closer to Mozabite (North-Africans) than Basques or Sardinians (mediterranean) are, despite geographical distances :

    http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gn...raltar-mostly/

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    Perfectly possible. The difference is not so huge, more or less what I thought.

    The similarity with North Africans appears to be higher in the case of Iberians because it's the same scale as Central Asians at 23andme (66). The real distance must take the European similarity as reference, and Georgians have very low European similarity compared to Iberians. That's the main reason why they appear a bit closer.

    Europe (North/South) is the maximum diferenciated pole on the caucasoid side (67 near 68 scale), while West Africa followed by the rest, represents the primarly African/Negroid reference (63 scale).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Knovas View Post
    Perfectly possible. The difference is not so huge, more or less what I thought.

    The similarity with North Africans appears to be higher in the case of Iberians because it's the same scale as Central Asians at 23andme (66). The real distance must take the European similarity as reference, and Georgians have very low European similarity compared to Iberians. That's the main reason why they appear a bit closer.
    That's not entirely true. Georgians (and West Asians in general) are closer to Eastern Europeans than the Iberians are. Basque are very close to West European R1b folks. Because of R1b...

    Georgian to Lithuanian = 0,039
    Sardian to Lithuanian = 0,041
    Basque to Lithuanian = 0,040

    Btw, I don't understand how is it possible that Saudi is as far from Mozabite as Basque is. The same 0,077 distance. it doesn't make any sense. Georgian is closer to Mozabite than Saudi is ?????

    http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gn...raltar-mostly/

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    A 100% Southwest Asian Saudí can be a bit far than Georgians. A 100% West Asian person hasn't been discovered for the moment, but quite Saudís are 100% Southwest Asian.

    Mozabite have very high North African component, but they also carry 14% of others according to the K=12 v3 run.

    Georgians can be similar to a small portion of Europe, but considering Europe as whole, their similarity appears quite low. I don't remember the European similarity of the mixed Georgian, but I think it was very low compared to most Europeans (both North and South).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goga View Post
    That's not entirely true. Georgians (and West Asians in general) are closer to Eastern Europeans than the Iberians are. Basque are very close to West European R1b folks. Because of R1b...

    Georgian to Lithuanian = 0,039
    Sardian to Lithuanian = 0,041
    Basque to Lithuanian = 0,040

    Btw, I don't understand how is it possible that Saudi is as far from Mozabite as Basque is. The same 0,077 distance. it doesn't make any sense. Georgian is closer to Mozabite than Saudi is ?????

    http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gn...raltar-mostly/
    False, because Basques and Sardinians are very homogeneus and isolated populations. But Iberians are closer to East-Europeans than Georgians are. For example, in this table, the Spaniards are closer to Russians than the Adygei ( a caucasus population, which are part of Russia) :


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    Quote Originally Posted by Wilhelm2 View Post
    False, because Basques and Sardinians are very homogeneus and isolated populations. But Iberians are closer to East-Europeans than Georgians are. For example, in this table, the Spaniards are closer to Russians than the Adygei ( a caucasus population, which are part of Russia) :

    I don't know what games you're playing, but if we compare Iberians to North Africans you're giving NATIVE homogeneous and isolated populations as example that have almost nothing in common with Africa. But I think that Spaniards are closer to Africans than Basques and Sardinians are. I think that Spaniards WITHOUT Basques are closer to North Africa than Georgians are.

    West Asians and East Europeans are closer to each other before of the ARYAN (Iranic speaking folks) connection. I think that West Asian ARYANS (Iranic speaking folks) somehow influenced Eastern Europe.

    I believe that R1b is not Indo-European at all. And that it has nothing to do with the ancient ARYANS.
    That's why West Asians and East Europeans are closer to each other than Iberians (close to 100% of R1b) to East Europeans.

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    Btw, in this example given by YOU Georgians ( homogeneous Caucasians) are closer to Lithuanians (homogeneous Northeast European population) than NATIVE homogeneous Iberians to Lithuanians.

    http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gn...raltar-mostly/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goga View Post
    Btw, in this example given by YOU Georgians ( homogeneous Caucasians) are closer to Lithuanians (homogeneous Northeast European population) than NATIVE homogeneous Iberians to Lithuanians.

    http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gn...raltar-mostly/
    In that link these are not Iberians, these are Basques. Spaniards are much closer to East-Europeans than West-Asians are, by far. See now this phylogenetic tree, the Iberians are in the same branch as the East-Europeans, while Georgians ARE NOT :

    http://img853.imageshack.us/img853/2...ngdodecad6.jpg

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    Spaniards are listed in the graphic, but not in the distances. They seem to be closer, yes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wilhelm2 View Post
    In that link these are not Iberians, these are Basques. Spaniards are much closer to East-Europeans than West-Asians are, by far. See now this phylogenetic tree, the Iberians are in the same branch as the East-Europeans, while Georgians ARE NOT :

    http://img853.imageshack.us/img853/2...ngdodecad6.jpg
    I'm sorry but this is the biggest nonsens that I have ever seen in my life.

    You are a very confused fella. I don't know how old you're but you're still in search for your own identity. You can't even place your own people on the map. I will help you.

    Spaniards are almost pure (your favourite term I think) Iberians. Basques are Iberians too. Both folks are kinsmen and are mostly native to Europe-Iberia. R1b is a native West Atlantic European marker. That has NOTHING to do with Eastern Europe!

    Ukraine has only 4% of R1b, Lithuania only 5% etc.
    Iberians don't have R1a, which is from Eastern Europe. Maybe 2% R1a.

    Ukrainians/Lithuanians and Iberians differ from each other like day and night.

    You're a smart fella. Don't develop racism out of your source of insecurity, because someday you will meet other confused fella that is even twice more racist than you ever can be...

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    If we check the K=12 v3 spreadsheet, Lithuanians have quite West European matching Iberians much better than Georgians. Basques and Sardinians are too Isolated and must be probably excluded, since there are so many different ways to describe them using components.

    Check for example the K=12 with the Sardinian and Basque components, both are clearly different from the rest of Europe: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...CIee9KwK#gid=0

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    The problem is I think that you don't know who Georgians are. The infamous USSR leader and maybe the greatest butcher of all time Jozef Stalin was a Georgian! Many generals under the tsar's army were Georgians. They have the OLDEST nobility in the world. Fought bravely against huge (Turkish and Persian) Islamic armies and still kept their identity. That's a huge achievement in West Asia if you keep your identity, with Russians in north and Turks & Persians in south. There's maybe only 5 million of them. Great warriors...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goga View Post
    I'm sorry but this is the biggest nonsens that I have ever seen in my life.

    You are a very confused fella. I don't know how old you're but you're still in search for your own identity. You can't even place your own people on the map. I will help you.

    Spaniards are almost pure (your favourite term I think) Iberians. Basques are Iberians too. Both folks are kinsmen and are mostly native to Europe-Iberia. R1b is a native West Atlantic European marker. That has NOTHING to do with Eastern Europe!

    Ukraine has only 4% of R1b, Lithuania only 5% etc.
    Iberians don't have R1a, which is from Eastern Europe. Maybe 2% R1a.

    Ukrainians/Lithuanians and Iberians differ from each other like day and night.

    You're a smart fella. Don't develop racism out of your source of insecurity, because someday you will meet other confused fella that is even twice more racist than you ever can be...
    You are confusing haplogroups with autosomal dna again. For example, Lithuania has 40% of haplogroup N, yet they are genetically very close to the Polish, who have only 1% of N !! You see now. Western-European and East-Europeans are the closest to each other by far, not with West-Asians, who are closest to middle-easterns. In the Eurogenes plots the spaniards are closer to Polish or Lithuanians than Georgians are. Same in the case of Dodecad. Same in the case of Dr.McDonald. As you can see here, Spaniards are much closer to Hungarians, Lithuanians, Belarusians or Russians than Georgians are :


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    Haplogroups only give clues about ancient migration patterns. Autosomal DNA (full ancestry) is essentially what counts with respect to genetic clustering and distance.

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    LOL. I don't know where you got your maps from - please provide some links -, but on this map (posted by YOU) Georgians are closer to East Europe than Iberians (Basque and Spain) are!

    Quote Originally Posted by Wilhelm2

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    DODECAD says that Spaniards have 4,1 % of African blood, while Georgians only 0,1 % in total !! HAHAHAHAHA

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...COCa89AJ#gid=0

    I don't care how much African blood Georgians or Spaniards have in them, but you loose big time!

    Game, set and match !

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    Quote Originally Posted by Knovas View Post
    I know who you are now. The only t.r.o.l.l. posting at 23andme now decided to join Eupedia. Very ill mental health.

    Mediterranean means Southern European (Southwest + Southeast Europe). The way you post the distances it's absolutly WRONG. You must take all clusters as reference, and if you look carefully, you'll see that West Asian is closer to Neo African, Paleo African, and some other non European clusters than the Mediterranean is. That's easy to understand, since West Asian is one of the near eastern clusters, and Mediterranean is the 3rd European cluster. Even West European is closer to Paleo African than the Mediterranean is.

    Time to accept the facts and treat your Ibero-Phobia
    Knovas to be real, actually he says the truth. The difference between "Mediterranean" and "South European" is obviously not just the name. South European component was a bit smaller among Near Eastern and African Populations, but after Dienekes replaced it by Mediterranean this changed. And indeed West Asian is closer and almost seems like a West Asian version of West European. However Mediterranean is still more common in Europe.

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    I think they're a little bit conphused because of their African genes, hahaha.

    4,1 % in Spain
    0,1 % in Georgia

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...COCa89AJ#gid=0

    See the difference, muwhahahaha

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    Goga please dont be so rude to other People only because they dont agree with you.

    The"Mediterranean Element just like Maciamo mentioned has most probably a connection with IJ. IJ is not only European but "Mediterranean" found in Europe as well Near East.

    Thats why the "Mediterranean component is between West Asian, Southwest Asian and West/East European components. However indeed West Asian is closer to West/East European as Mediterranean is but at the same time it is also a bit closer to Southwest Asian.

    Relationship of West/East European to other components
    http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-P2GJvQzlQW.../s1600/1_2.png
    Last edited by Alan; 30-08-11 at 04:22.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goga View Post
    ???

    Are you saying that Georgians, Armenians or Kurds have more African blood in them than the Iberians???? That's crazy!!!!

    Haplogroup E is African. The Mediterraneans have MUCH more E than West Asians. FACT!!!!


    I have a question for you. What is closer to Africa: the Mediterranean or CHINA??? I'm sure you will say CHINA, lol...
    He is saying that the West Asian component (Not West Asian folks) is a bit closer to African than Mediterranean is and he is right with this. But at the same time West Asian is closer to West/East European component.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goga View Post
    I think they're a little bit conphused because of their African genes, hahaha.

    4,1 % in Spain
    0,1 % in Georgia

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...COCa89AJ#gid=0

    See the difference, muwhahahaha
    Georgia is only 30% european, yet Spain is over 90% like the rest of Europe. You don't get it, saying that West-Asia is closer to Africa doesn't imply having african admixture.

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    People one of the biggest mistakes made by dienekes was, to name the components after Regions.

    For example the so called "South Asian" component. When People hear this they usually connect it with South Asia When we find out more about the so called "South Asian" component, we recognize that there is no other component that is so much diverse. The so called "South Asian" component is a combination of two components, ASI and ANI. The South Asian among Kurds, Turks, Iranians is almost exclusively ANI.

    This is what a Friend wrote me
    """ See how close West Asian Component is to ANI

    http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-FFgv5Ekbf5...s/s1600/nj.png
    http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-ndsd2vCS9d.../ANI%252B4.png

    In deep contrast, ASI is similar to Onge component.
    From his blog:
    http://dodecad.blogspot.com/2011/06/...n-context.html
    "I have also ran supervised K=3 ADMIXTURE analysis that treated the ASI population as test data and CHB, Onge, Papuan as parental populations; the ASI turned out 100% "Onge", consistent with the idea that ASI is distantly related to Onge, although closer than with the other two populations.

    It should be noted, however, that the similarity of ASI to Onge is not unexpected, since:

    * Onge was used by Reich et al. (2009) to infer admixture proportions of Indian Cline populations, which were (in turn):
    * used by myself to infer allele frequencies of ASI, and then:
    * used by myself to create a synthetic population of ASI individuals.

    So, the Onge-ness of ASI is contingent upon the accuracy of Reich et al. (2009)"


    Dodecad mixed two completely different components (ANI and ASI) into one (South Asian), which is misleading. If you look at his blog he avoided to show ANI and ASI in one plot.

    http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Fy6fGi0y3M.../s1600/1_2.png
    http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-FFgv5Ekbf5...s/s1600/nj.png
    http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-ndsd2vCS9d.../ANI%252B4.png

    We can be sure ANI is closer to West Asian as to ASI.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goga View Post
    DODECAD says that Spaniards have 4,1 % of African blood, while Georgians only 0,1 % in total !! HAHAHAHAHA

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...COCa89AJ#gid=0

    I don't care how much African blood Georgians or Spaniards have in them, but you loose big time!

    Game, set and match !
    What are you talking about? Just because Spaniards have slightly higher African affinities than Georgians doesn't mean a thing. Georgians have only 30% Euro compared to over 90% for Spaniards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wilhelm2 View Post
    Georgia is only 30% european, yet Spain is over 90% like the rest of Europe.
    So what? But truly my congrats to your folks with their 99.99 % of European DNA. Cherish it, but maybe it's a loss for them that they don't have any West Asian DNA? Don't worry, It doesn't matter for me that they don't have West Asian DNA, they're still good and very artistic folks. And I love ART, so I don't care about their DNA.

    And Georgians are 75 % West Asian and 25 % everything else, not 30 %. I salute them! RESPECT that they've got that much West Asian DNA, most of them all! True tough guys.

    West Asia, the cradle of civilization. The place where great minds invented the writings and algebra. West Asia a place of real men with big balls and true warriors. Only the strongest survive there. Europe is a more friendly environment for women. And Europe is in general just a backyard of West Asia, like it always was and always will be.


    You don't get it, saying that West-Asia is closer to Africa doesn't imply having african admixture.
    Oh, really? I thought it's all about the location of origin and the admixture of Y-DNA and MtDNA.

    Don't worry, Portugal has even 8,7 % of African DNA. More than Spain, so if I was Spain I would build a great wall of China between Portugal and Spain to isolate Spain from these Africans from Portugal. They can harm your SUPERIOR and pure 24 carat European DNA.

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...COCa89AJ#gid=0


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