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    In the Carpathian basin,Transylvania included ,these agricultural populations that had certain amount of Slavic ancestry had survived, see the Moravian state,unlike the outer Carpathian area.


    That's why the Transylvanians get also some Central European admixture of Slavic origin,shared with the Poles,Czechs,Hungarians,even Ukrainians, unlike the Wallachians and Moldavians that cluster with the Central Balkan populations,like Serbs, Kosovars,Montenegrins,Bosnians ,Macedonians,partly Croatians and Greeks,Albanians from north and Western Bulgarians,data from My heritage.


    The dispersion also proves the Romanians-Vlachs coming from north of the Danube,lack of this set of genes in entire Bulgaria or in the whole area of the Despotate of Epirus.


    The lack (or way less)of compatibility with South Albania proves that the Tosks came from other place,most likely from Northern Albania, they were involved in further mutations when settled in the southern parts or simply were not involved anymore in the genetic process es that happened after their departure,because they clearly inherited lots of Proto-Albanian genes,despite the Coon's malicious remark,many of them are actually quite fair haired and Dinaric,IMO,even less foreign-admixed than those from the north.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreptul Valah View Post
    The Romanians, Moldavians included,plot near the South-Slavs for a few reasons:


    -common Paleo-Balkanic genes

    -some common South-Slavic ancestry,in our case,mostly assimilated into Romanian-Vlachs in the early period,however, the genetic distance between Romania and Northern-Slavic countries, like Poland and Belarus is huge.


    This can be explained by the fact that 90% of the lowland settlements from roughly the SE area,the Moldavian and Eastern Danube plains have disappeared at the time of the Pecheneg-Cuman invasions,separating the populations with Slavic ancestry.


    Plus,most of the Romanian plain was covered by forests, I have already discussed about it,perhaps, it was a good reason for the Slavs to find more fertile terrains,south of the Danube.


    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2702745/


    -various populations-groups mixtures
    And how some Aromanians are having 36% R1B?
    We do not know what kind of R1B is.
    We can suppose that R1B-M269, to which R1B-L23 also belongs, are also natives to Balkans.
    Anyway it worth mentioning that some Aromanians from Balkans have highest R1B percentage.
    Is the Aromanians from Albania.
    What would be really nice to do, by someone with more diplomatic skills to talk to Aromanian community so they take deep clade Y DNA testing for 1% of the living Aromanians, chosen statistically.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreptul Valah View Post
    Falx is the same with the Dacian sica,Illyrian thike,thika,many of these weapons are actually not curved,but straight-angled,resembling the Dinaric jaw:


    http://lh4.ggpht.com/ScaryNitzi/SFWD...JPG?imgmax=640


    http://globalreplicas.com/en/tracki-...ica-asw35.html


    Thracian rhompaia has a close form,the word is very interesting ,cognate to Latin rumpo.
    Exactly the word we use for blade/knife.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fatherland View Post
    Exactly the word we use for blade/knife.
    I have an obsession with collecting swords. Combative and decorative. Including a re-curve hunting bow. I was born in the wrong age lol.

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    I also want to say my opinion, I a Romanian with Aromanian origins. First of all, the Aromanians do not come from the territory of the present Romania, they represent the old native population of mainland Greece, historical Macedonia and southern Albania. Genetically, they are slightly different from the Romanian, the Aromanians result in genetic tests with high percentages of "Greek," while the Romanians have the highest percentages of "Balkan / Slavic". Only those who know well both the Aromanians and the Romanians can make a comparison and one can see that the Aromanians have a more southern appearance, being very easy to pass as a true Greek or even Albanian, even Bulgarian, while the Romanians have a rather more Nordic with different influences. Aromanians from ancient times supported Orthodoxy and Greek culture, being the ones who spread Hellenism and Byzantine tradition both in the Balkans and in Romania and elsewhere, being constantly perceived and recorded in acts as "Greeks." One thing they have in common is the influence of the Eastern Roman Empire on the linguistic side, but each one has a different evolution. It is a shame that many Romanians want to show that the Aromanians are Romanian, sinful and that other Balkan nations denies the native character of the Aromanians in the Balkans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Balkan1992 View Post
    I also want to say my opinion, I a Romanian with Aromanian origins. First of all, the Aromanians do not come from the territory of the present Romania, they represent the old native population of mainland Greece, historical Macedonia and southern Albania. Genetically, they are slightly different from the Romanian, the Aromanians result in genetic tests with high percentages of "Greek," while the Romanians have the highest percentages of "Balkan / Slavic". Only those who know well both the Aromanians and the Romanians can make a comparison and one can see that the Aromanians have a more southern appearance, being very easy to pass as a true Greek or even Albanian, even Bulgarian, while the Romanians have a rather more Nordic with different influences. Aromanians from ancient times supported Orthodoxy and Greek culture, being the ones who spread Hellenism and Byzantine tradition both in the Balkans and in Romania and elsewhere, being constantly perceived and recorded in acts as "Greeks." One thing they have in common is the influence of the Eastern Roman Empire on the linguistic side, but each one has a different evolution. It is a shame that many Romanians want to show that the Aromanians are Romanian, sinful and that other Balkan nations denies the native character of the Aromanians in the Balkans.

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    "Only the remnants of a Latin-speaking population survived in parts of the central and west-central Balkans; when it re-emerges into the historical record in the tenth and eleventh centuries, we find its members leading a semi-nomadic life as shepherds, horse-breeders and travelling muleteers. These were the Vlachs, who can still be seen tending their flocks in the mountains of northern Greece, Macedonia and Albania today. [14] The name 'Vlach' was a word used by the Slavs for those they encountered who spoke a strange, usually Latinate, language; the Vlachs' own name for themselves is 'Aromanians' (Aromani).

    As this name suggests, the Vlachs are closely linked to the Romanians: their two languages (which, with a little practice, are mutually intelligible) diverged only in the ninth or tenth century. [15] While Romanian historians have tried to argue that the Romanian-speakers have always lived in the territory of Romania (originating, it is claimed, from Romanized Dacian tribes and/or Roman legionaries), there is compelling evidence to show that the Romanian-speakers were originally part of the same population as the Vlachs, whose language and way of life were developed somewhere to the south of the Danube. Only in the twelfth century did the early Romanian-speakers move northwards into Romanian territory. [16]



    Linguists have long been aware that Albanian and Romanian have many features in common, in matters of structure, vocabulary and idiom, and that these must have arisen in two ways. First, the 'substratum' of Romanian (that is, the language spoken by the proto-Romanians before they switched to Latin) must have been similar to Albanian; and secondly, there must have been close contact between Albanians and early Romanian-speakers over a long period, involving a shared pastoral life. (Some key elements of the pastoral vocabulary in Romanian are borrowed from Albanian.) [63] The substratum elements include both structural matters, such as the positioning of the definite article as a suffix on the end of the noun, and various elements of primitive Balkan pre-Latin vocabulary, such as copil ('child' in Romanian) or kopil ('bastard child' in Albanian). [64] If the links between the two languages were only at substratum level, this might not imply any geographical proximity - it would merely show that proto-Albanian was similar to other varieties of Illyrian spoken elsewhere. But the pastoral connections do indicate that Albanians and early Romanians lived for a long time in the same (or at least overlapping) areas."


    Origins: Serbs, Albanians and Vlachs
    Chapter 2 in Noel Malcolm's Kosovo, a short history (Macmilan, London, 1998, p. 22-40)

    LINK: http://macedonia.kroraina.com/en/nm/kosovo.html#16.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fatherland View Post
    Exactly the word we use for blade/knife.

    All the Romanian-Vlachs have a Latin word ,cutit,probably related to coltello or from ascutit,that means sharp.


    The villages from my area are of shepherd stock,they came from the mountains,my ancestors, for example from Muntii Buzaului and Vrancei in1850's,1870's on the old transhumance routes.


    There were very though rivalries between these settlements, until 10-15 years ago,before they start shutting down the local pubs and clubs,when the "intruders" came for the local girls ,things degenerated into fightings, usually these people were "awaited".


    In the very most of the cases,only fists and bata,shepherd's bats were used,sometimes even wooden planks from the fences.
    The knife was extremely rare pulled,only when somebody got really mad.


    There are records from the Moldavian and Wallachian voivods,that killings because of fighting were very severely punished and the use of metal blades forbidden.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreptul Valah View Post
    All the Romanian-Vlachs have a Latin word ,cutit,probably related to coltello or from ascutit,that means sharp.


    The villages from my area are of shepherd stock,they came from the mountains,my ancestors, for example from Muntii Buzaului and Vrancei in1850's,1870's.


    There were very though rivalries between these settlements, until 10-15 years ago,when they start shutting down the local pubs and clubs,when the "intruders" came for the local girls ,things degenerated into fightings, usually these people were "awaited".


    In the very most of the cases,only fists and bata,shepherd's bats were used,sometimes even wooden planks from the fences.

    The knife was extremely rare pulled,only when somebody got really mad.


    There are records from the Moldavian and Wallachian voivods,that killings because of fighting were very severely punished and the use of metal blades forbidden.
    Just another word in Romanian that was supposed to come from Latin but is coming from our old Dacian language.
    Romanian - cutit
    Corsican Italian dialect - cutteddu
    :)
    Corsican is an Italic language, from the Tuscan family.
    @Balkan1992
    Please, for curiosity, take a little look at these Corsican languages:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gallurese_dialect
    To me it seems Aromanian sounds close to these languages.

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    Cuteddu is general in the South Italian speech.


    https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/cuteddu


    And,
    in Romanian, ager is the word for agile,both physically or in thought, keennes or wrath,it is also used for keeping things under surveillance...

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    Some of my great-great-grandfathers from here had lots of sheeps ,hundred ,hundreds each,but,like in Miorita,you don't inherit the herd, many of the shepherds switched to landownering.


    Speaking of Miorita,it can be an Aromanian influence, since the shepherds used to cross Vadu Oii into Dobrogea and further into Bulgaria,even in Ottoman times.


    There were alot of Romanian shepherds in Dobrogea,here and in Bulgaria they've met the Aromanian ones.


    In any case it resembles some Macedonian-Slavic songs from the Sar mountains,for instance,SE navali Sar Planina,we do know that Tetovo had a Vlahoepiskop in the early Serbian state.



    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-hnD3Y73T4w



    https://lyricstranslate.com/en/se-na...in-leaned.html



    https://lyricstranslate.com/en/miori...ar-ballad.html


    https://www.europeana.eu/portal/en/r...094574409.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Balkan1992 View Post
    I also want to say my opinion, I a Romanian with Aromanian origins. First of all, the Aromanians do not come from the territory of the present Romania, they represent the old native population of mainland Greece, historical Macedonia and southern Albania. Genetically, they are slightly different from the Romanian, the Aromanians result in genetic tests with high percentages of "Greek," while the Romanians have the highest percentages of "Balkan / Slavic". Only those who know well both the Aromanians and the Romanians can make a comparison and one can see that the Aromanians have a more southern appearance, being very easy to pass as a true Greek or even Albanian, even Bulgarian, while the Romanians have a rather more Nordic with different influences. Aromanians from ancient times supported Orthodoxy and Greek culture, being the ones who spread Hellenism and Byzantine tradition both in the Balkans and in Romania and elsewhere, being constantly perceived and recorded in acts as "Greeks." One thing they have in common is the influence of the Eastern Roman Empire on the linguistic side, but each one has a different evolution. It is a shame that many Romanians want to show that the Aromanians are Romanian, sinful and that other Balkan nations denies the native character of the Aromanians in the Balkans.

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    There are some inaccuracies in this your post. It`s true that some of the Vlachs are assimilated in Greeks especially after the creation of the Greek state, but not all of them. The same happened with some Albanians from South Albania, i am not talking about Arvanites. It`s a long story of how this assimilation happened, the role of the church, greek state, etc. But there was also the other side of the coin.
    A memorandum was sent to U. S. President Wilson and Secretary of State Lansing a few few days before a delegation of Albanian-Americans left for France to take part in the Paris Peace Conference of 1919. Copies of the memorandum were sent to the foreign ministries of the Allied Powers and their ambassadors in Washington. The aim of the text and of the delegation was to ensure the continued recognition of Albania as a sovereign state. This memorandum was signed by leading clergymen of the Albanian Orthodox Churches of America, among whom Fan Noli (1882-1965) of Boston. And there is something even about the Vlachs:

    On the other hand, it is a well known fact that the Rumanians of Pindus, or Kutzovlachs, have several times appealed to the Powers since the London Conference to be included in Albania and thus escape Greek oppression and misrule.

    For the Orthodox Albanians of America

    Very Rev. Fan S. Noli,
    Rev. Naum V. Cere,
    Rev. Damian Angeli,
    Rev. Mark J. Kondili,
    Rev. Pando Sinitza,
    Rev. Vangel Chamche.

    Boston, Massachusetts, November 27, 1918

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    [published in: The Adriatic Review, Boston, Vol. 1, No. 3, November 1918, p. 97 104. Reprinted in: Bejtullah D. Destani (ed.), Albania & Kosovo: Political and Ethnic Boundaries, 1867-1946. Documents and Maps. Slough: Archive Editions, 1999, p. 406-412.]

    Also, haave a look here and maybe this can help you to understand better the history:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Princi..._of_the_Pindus
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcibiades_Diamandi
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicolaos_Matussis
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_...41%E2%80%9343)

    It is a shame that many Romanians want to show that the Aromanians are Romanian, sinful and that other Balkan nations denies the native character of the Aromanians in the Balkans.
    At least here in Albania nobody is trying to deny nothing to them, they have their schools and churches. You are trying to pass them as greeks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LABERIA View Post
    There are some inaccuracies in this your post. It`s true that some of the Vlachs are assimilated in Greeks especially after the creation of the Greek state, but not all of them. The same happened with some Albanians from South Albania, i am not talking about Arvanites. It`s a long story of how this assimilation happened, the role of the church, greek state, etc. But there was also the other side of the coin.
    A memorandum was sent to U. S. President Wilson and Secretary of State Lansing a few few days before a delegation of Albanian-Americans left for France to take part in the Paris Peace Conference of 1919. Copies of the memorandum were sent to the foreign ministries of the Allied Powers and their ambassadors in Washington. The aim of the text and of the delegation was to ensure the continued recognition of Albania as a sovereign state. This memorandum was signed by leading clergymen of the Albanian Orthodox Churches of America, among whom Fan Noli (1882-1965) of Boston. And there is something even about the Vlachs:


    Source:
    [published in: The Adriatic Review, Boston, Vol. 1, No. 3, November 1918, p. 97 104. Reprinted in: Bejtullah D. Destani (ed.), Albania & Kosovo: Political and Ethnic Boundaries, 1867-1946. Documents and Maps. Slough: Archive Editions, 1999, p. 406-412.]

    Also, haave a look here and maybe this can help you to understand better the history:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Princi..._of_the_Pindus
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcibiades_Diamandi
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicolaos_Matussis
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_...41%E2%80%9343)


    At least here in Albania nobody is trying to deny nothing to them, they have their schools and churches. You are trying to pass them as greeks.
    The Greeks who were against the Aromanians were more linguistic greeks than genetic. Genetically, the origins of these Greeks were either in West Asia or in the Hellenized Aromanians. I also do not deny that Albania has recently given Vlachs rights, congratulations on this! I would like to make a point, that there is a difference between the Romanians and the Aromanians as well as the craftsmen. The Aromanians were indeed known as shepherds and big sheep owners as well as caravan merchants, merchants who were renowned for their ability to do business, while the Romanians were predominantly farmers, raising sheep and other animals, especially pigs , the latter being not raised by Balkan Aromanians.

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    Unfortunately, there is very little talk about genetics and haplogroups. I said something about haplogroups, a page back, but there was no opinion!

    I think... History is written by political or religious interests of temporal leaders. Languages go and come, even in a generation or two. And... nationalisms are not genetic, but is related to the socio-cultural-educational environment in which we are born. These should not be such important topics on a genetics forum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gidai View Post
    Unfortunately, there is very little talk about genetics and haplogroups. I said something about haplogroups, a page back, but there was no opinion!
    I think... History is written by political or religious interests of temporal leaders. Languages go and come, even in a generation or two. And... nationalisms are not genetic, but is related to the socio-cultural-educational environment in which we are born.
    My results from MyHeritage. I am a Romanian from Ialomita with some Aromanian ancestors and a part of Buzau County: 55% Balkan, 31% Greek, 11% Baltic, 1% ashkenazi

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    Quote Originally Posted by Balkan1992 View Post
    My results from MyHeritage. I am a Romanian from Ialomita with some Aromanian ancestors and a part of Buzau County: 55% Balkan, 31% Greek, 11% Baltic, 1% ashkenazi
    Am vazt ca multi romani au rezultate asemanatoare cu MyHeritage. Mie imi pare insa ca dau rezultate cam mari uneori, fata de altii, pentru Grecia si chiar Asia mica. Interesant este si 11% Baltic. Mai lipsesc 2 procente.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Balkan1992 View Post
    My results from MyHeritage. I am a Romanian from Ialomita with some Aromanian ancestors and a part of Buzau County: 55% Balkan, 31% Greek, 11% Baltic, 1% ashkenazi
    This Greek related admixture shows clearly Aromanians are people from Balkans, Thracians.
    The East Balkanic admixture of Romanians is more Nordish admixture, from North of Danube.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Balkan1992 View Post
    The Greeks who were against the Aromanians were more linguistic greeks than genetic. Genetically, the origins of these Greeks were either in West Asia or in the Hellenized Aromanians.
    It's not clear what are you trying to say in this part of your post. Try to elaborate it better.
    I also do not deny that Albania has recently given Vlachs rights, congratulations on this! I would like to make a point, that there is a difference between the Romanians and the Aromanians as well as the craftsmen. The Aromanians were indeed known as shepherds and big sheep owners as well as caravan merchants, merchants who were renowned for their ability to do business, while the Romanians were predominantly farmers, raising sheep and other animals, especially pigs , the latter being not raised by Balkan Aromanians.
    I am not against that you want to promote your Aromanian identity, you have all the right to do it. But i don't think that this identity is in danger from the actions of Romania, but this part you can discuss with the other Romanian members here. To me seems that you are not trying to promote this your Aromanian identity. As i said in my previous post, you are trying to pass Aromanians as Greeks. This is something that we read around not only in forums but also in so-called "scientific papers". Both, Serbs and Greeks consider Vlachs not as an separated ethnic group but like social strata in medieval Serbia, i.e. Serbian shepherds or as latinised Greeks in Greece.
    Some Aromanians and Orthodox Albanians were assimilated in Greeks. The first reason why some Orthodox Albanians and Vlachs were helenised is because neither the Vlachs nor the Albanians, for different reasons, did not have a National Church like the other peoples of the Balkans. And the role of the Orthodox Church in this assimilation process has been fundamental. It was the Church that started this process of assimilation, the most famous name that comes to mind now, is a devil man today proclaimed Saint, Cosma di Aietolia. There are many stories of his activities and others like him in South Albania or Epir. Then, with the creation of national states, the church continued to play this role, but it was the Greek state that played the most important role in this story. It was used the Church, the Greek schools, the money and when there was resistance to this process other methods were used:
    1915
    Mid’hat bey Frashëri:
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    - the Martyrdom of a People

    During the operations, the Greeks did not fail to commit atrocities. Villages were burned down, peaceful and innocent inhabitants, including women, had their throats cut or were burned alive, other villagers were taken by force to make believe there was an exodus of people fleeing from the Albanian Government, to empty the country and sow the seeds of misery. Among their crimes, mention may be made of the assassination of the Vlach priest, Papa Haralambi of Korça, whose throat was slit in cold blood, with those of his brother and cousin. This assassination of this dignitary caused great outrage.
    And while such horrors, all a result of deceit, were being committed in Korça, the Greek newspapers were jubilant. They could not shower enough praise on the deed and were full of admiration for Greek sacrifice and patriotism. On 5 April, the Times announced that Korça was already in the hands of the Greeks. A few days later, the same newspaper, in its issue of 13 April, wrote the following: “…in the skirmish, Father Balamaci is said to have been killed or roughed up.” Imagine! The cowardly assassination of a priest dragged from his home is characterized as being “roughed up.”
    But all the more disgusting is the racket caused by the Greeks to cover up their cowardice. All the bells went into action. In an unscrupulous and shameless manner, the Greeks cried assassination and at the same time, they spared nothing, nothing could escape their fury. Reading Greek newspapers published last year is a bewildering experience. In the 10 April 1914 issue of the Times, we read the following report:
    “Athens, 9. Having disarmed the population, the Albanian gendarmerie carried out a general massacre. The Greek Government brought this fact to the attention of the Powers.”
    This is all. To hear the Greeks, you would think that the Albanian authorities were massacring the Christians! But what astounds us most in the above-mentioned report is the reticence. In referring to the inhabitants of Korça, they use the term “Christians” whereas everywhere else to refer to the Orthodox Christians of Albania, the Greeks always use the word “Greeks.” This is insanity typical of our southern neighbours. For them, everything Orthodox is of necessity Greek. It is impossible for the Greeks to distinguish between their religion and their race. As such, they regard Orthodox Albanians simply as Greeks, as they have done the Bulgarians, Vlachs and Serbs until recently. (6)
    Father Bllamaci mentioned in the article, was a Vlach. The same treatment was also reserved for the Orthodox Albanian priests, only that here the list, for obvious reasons, is a bit 'longer. There were cases when the priest was killed and his head was sent to Athens as a trophy, exactly the same thing the Turks did in the past.
    Father Stathi Melani
    Stathi Melani (1858–1917) was an Albanian Orthodox priest who participated in the Congress of Manastir and helped spread awareness of the Albanian written language in southern Albania.[1] He was killed by a group of Greek nationalists near Përmet for insisting on the use of the Albanian language in the local Orthodox liturgy.[2]
    Instigated by Greek Metropolitans, Stathi was killed in 1917[18] on 24 December, Christmas Eve, by Greek nationalists (andartes)[19][5] near Përmet and his head was sent to Greece.[20][21]
    But you are only interested about Aromanian identity, so i do not intend to continue to cite many of these delicacies reserved for the Albanian Orthodoxes. If these things happened to the priests of the villages and the cities, do you imagine what was happening with the simple people, how many other alternatives they had?
    Then finally, arrive from one side Stephanie Schwandner-Sievers and others like her, members of the so-called historiographical school of the "Deconstruction of the Myths", i.e. deconstruction of the nations who after telling us that the Orthodox in Albania are all Vlachs, (something not true because among the Orthodox in Albania, the Vlachs are the second group after the Albanian Orthodox, the third group, the Greeks practically no longer exist), "explain" to these people what path they must follow in the future, i.e. become all Greeks and from the other side Mr. Lazaridis and others like him who declares these people as Greeks also from the genetic point of view. And so the cycle closes.
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    The hussars,gusars,are just the Romanian-Vlach light cavalry ,entering into "mainstream",
    standardized in the Serbian state.


    It is well-known that the Vlachs from the Serbian state were in charge of the royal and noble husbandry, horse breeding,etc.
    Historians relate the type of Vlach called kjellator(calator,traveller ,in Romanian) from Serbia ,with the hoditai," highwaymen "from the Prespa-Kastoria area that were used by the Byzantines to kill ,catch,David,the brother of the Bulgarian tsar Samuil.


    Actually, the hoditai Vlachs from Macedonia were performing tipcally light cavalry tactics,which is,chasing and ambushing,they were in charge with the roads guarding,a job that could've been done only by very fast and mobile squads,another historical source mentions the Romanians that have caught Andronikos,near Galicia,in 1165.


    http://www.farsarotul.org/nl21_2.htm
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    Quote Originally Posted by gidai View Post
    Am vazt ca multi romani au rezultate asemanatoare cu MyHeritage. Mie imi pare insa ca dau rezultate cam mari uneori, fata de altii, pentru Grecia si chiar Asia mica. Interesant este si 11% Baltic. Mai lipsesc 2 procente.
    The "Balkan" category really represents the Romanians, but we also meet the other peoples, Slavs and Hungarians. The "Greek" part, but I only saw it in some Romanians, and this category includes there my Aromanian ancestors came from Greece shortly before 1900 from my two grandmothers. In both of the grandmothers I observe a slightly Mediterranean aspect compared to the Romanian grandparents who have more pronounced Slavic traits even Baltic. This mixture took place in Buzau and Ialomita.
    Categoria ,,Balcanica,, include intr-adevar romanii dar si alte popoare vecine,slavii si maghiarii. Categoria ,,greaca,, insa o intalnim numai la unii romani, mult mai rar, aici ar fii inclusi strabunii mei aromani din partea celor doua bunici ale mele, veniti din Grecia inainte de 1900. Am observat la ele doua un aspect usor mediteranean in comparatie cu bunicii din partea romaneasca, care au trasaturi slave mai pronuntate chiar baltice.Acest amestec a avut loc in jud. Buzau si Ialomita.

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    Other proves here,the word for sheep flock,turma,comes from the Roman cavalry unit,plus the foundation of a country in early Romanian ,also Latin,was called descalecat(dismounting).


    Specific semantic shifts for cavalry exist in Romanian,Latin rubeus,Romanian roib,a kind of reddish horse.



    https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/roib#Romanian



    https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/turmă#Romanian



    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turma



    It is clear that the Central European hussar unit has preserved its original
    purpose,chasing,catching,ambushing:



    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HeaQzfE2kHw



    See Aleksic,"Medieval Vlach soldiers and the Beginnings of the Ottoman voinuks"
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    A curious thing that differentiate the Aromanians from Romanians, on autosomal DNA testing is that Aromanians have no NW Europe admixture.
    Average Romanian have about 20% NW European admixture - most cluster to Welsh/English, some minor clustering to French, some minor clustering with Germans.
    If Aromanians and Romanians would have split around 900-1000 AD, Aromanians should also have this NW admixture.
    The split between Aromanians and Romanians should be before even 0 AD.
    Italians also got at least some if not more NW admixture, same about the Greeks.
    Another thing, it seems Thracian and Greeks were very related people.
    What differentiated them was the language spoken and the way they were living.

    Another thing,is possible that the tradition of Aromanians to marry only between themselves is very old, may be even more than 2000 years old.

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    92,you're pushing your limit,you moron,it is clear that both the Greek and Balkan split from the same sets of genes.


    The Balkan represents the area of the Paleo-Balkanic ancestry,that couldn't be effectively controlled by the Byzantines anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreptul Valah View Post
    92,you're pushing your limit,you moron,it is clear that both Greek and Balkan split from the same sets of genes.
    The Balkan represents the area of the Paleo-Balkanic ancestry,that couldn't be effectively controlled by the Byzantines anymore.
    Pacat ca sunt atat de multe persoane nationaliste din partea romaneasca(multi din jumatatea nordica sau vestica a tarii) care incearca mereu o asimilare fortata a aromanilor.S-au intrebat cumva daca aromanii isi doresc acest lucru, sa fie considerati romani? Veniti in sud-estul Romaniei (Constanta,Slobozia,Tulcea,Calarasi) sau in Balcani pentru a cunoaste aromanii ,,macedonenii,, si a le asculta parerile nu ii cunoasteti doar din carti si teorii de secol 19.

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    Este probabil cred ca inainte de caderea Romaniei si venirea Imperiului Otoman, in intreaga peninsula Balcanica sa fi fost o populatie foarte numeroasa de vorbitori de limba romanică / română ce se numeau pe ei Romani, Rumani sau Rumâni.
    Probabil ca mare parte din ei au fost asimilati in zona treptat in timpul si dupa caderea Imperiului Otoman pana astazi. Singurii care si-au pastrat limba romanica aici au fost cei mai incapatanati... Românii din partea de nord care au reusit sa tina piept cu brio invaziei Otomane si apoi sa se constituie ca stat, si mai ales Aromânii care chiar in centrul imperiului Otoman au reusit sa isi pastreze identitatea cred ca in special datorita mandriei lor si a casatoriilor in propriul grup.
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    "In other words,not only the ancestors of the succeeding Hungarian hussars,should be traced among South Slav warriors fleeing from the Ottoman Empire,but also the South Slav or Vlach population,that served in the royal army from Southern Banat regions might have belonged to them."



    IMO,hussar comes from the Romanian cursa,meaning,a trap,ambush,which is an inherited word.


    Cursar-the one who sets traps, who ambushes



    https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/cursă



    http://www.academia.edu/4141874/FROM...IAEVAL_HUNGARY




    http://www.academia.edu/15193590/Med...10_pp._105-128
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