Eupedia Forums
Site NavigationEupedia Top > Eupedia Forum & Japan Forum
Page 35 of 37 FirstFirst ... 253334353637 LastLast
Results 851 to 875 of 904

Thread: Vlach haplogroups & deep ancestry?

  1. #851
    Regular Member Achievements:
    100 Experience Points1 year registered

    Join Date
    06-04-18
    Posts
    405


    Country: Romania



    0 out of 1 members found this post helpful.
    "The Vlach sheep cannot endure the heats of the lowlands' sun".



    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vxcGz2YQEgs




    It is said that turcana(read tsurcana) appears on the Trajan's Column.



    https://blogs.scientificamerican.com...er-valachians/


    Turcana:


    http://www.anunturi-agricultura.ro/b...na-600x450.jpg

  2. #852
    Regular Member Achievements:
    100 Experience Points1 year registered

    Join Date
    06-04-18
    Posts
    405


    Country: Romania



    0 out of 1 members found this post helpful.

  3. #853
    Regular Member Achievements:
    100 Experience Points1 year registered

    Join Date
    06-04-18
    Posts
    405


    Country: Romania



    0 out of 1 members found this post helpful.
    The historians have observed an interesting fact,that Vlad Tepes' brother, Radu the Handsome,in the Slavonic texts has used for the kinship terms only Proto-Romanian words like:fiastru,cumnat,sometimes used as a name Muierii(to Woman),Fatului(Son's).



    Other Old Romanian names,in the text,Micul,Barbat, Bucur,etc.



    I think that he has tried to say something here,that he was a Romanian,especially when it counted.



    Another interesting resemblance, with Litovoi's brother and successor, Barbat(The Man),the "name" was probably chosen by the first ruler for his heir, with the sense "The Man,The Mature One,opposed to " The Little Brother ".



    It looks that ,when they renounced at the worldwide Slavonic,Orthodox, prestige, for the more humanly purposes, the Wallachian rulers quickly switched to Proto-Romanian.



    It also seems that for these rulers,the kinship terms were some sort of taboo,literally untranslatable.



    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bărbat

  4. #854
    Regular Member Achievements:
    100 Experience Points1 year registered

    Join Date
    06-04-18
    Posts
    405


    Country: Romania



    Source:"Tara Romaneasca in secolele XIV si XVI".

  5. #855
    Regular Member Achievements:
    100 Experience Points1 year registered

    Join Date
    06-04-18
    Posts
    405


    Country: Romania



    Quote Originally Posted by Dreptul Valah View Post
    The shepherd Bucur who has founded Bucharest came from Muntii Buzaului,proved by the places like Bucur's Table,Bucur's Cascades, etc,and many legends about him in that area.
    Bucur used to sing so nice from his shepherd's flute,that,in one night,the local fairies, Zane,have visited and asked him to make a wish."Give me strength! ",he said,after returning to the sheepfold,the other men had started to hit him with the bats ,because was late.
    But the young shepherd defended well know,defeated the others and force them to ask forgiveness.
    Short time after,Bucur has enlarge his flocks and went down to the Buzau,Prahova,Ialomita valleys,reaching Dambovita's Ford in Codrii Vlasiei.
    Then,he started to build huts,after, houses,for the children and grandsons,lastly,a church.


    The legend is based on reality,because these lands,Buzau mountains (Luana Land) and Vrancea(Tara Codrilor,Forests Country),were remote ,independent,areas,between Moldavia and Wallachia.



    When Stefan cel Mare took Vrancea,he agreed to respect the autonomy of the land and rights of the people,who were kept in Medieval times.
    These areas had the so called 7th Mocanime,this is the 7th nomadic shepherd community, with a heavy tradition,that was not Transylvanian.



    Another thing,the dialect spoke in our shepherd villages is almost the same with the one from Buzau-Vrancea,this 7th Mocanime either migrated here en-masse or have assimilated the transhumance of the Brasov shepherds,because, I repeat,the differences are very clear.



    This autonomy is proved by another myth,an old woman called Vrancioaia,that leaved in a shepherd territory from the Vrancea mountains,hosts a man,which she soonvrealize it is Stefan cel Mare,the ruler was hiding into the highlands after a lost battle against Turks.
    She calls her seven sons to gather an army,which helped Stefan to return to the battle field and win.
    Last edited by Dreptul Valah; 25-01-19 at 11:03.

  6. #856
    Advisor Achievements:
    VeteranThree Friends50000 Experience PointsRecommendation Second Class
    Awards:
    Posting Award
    Angela's Avatar
    Join Date
    02-01-11
    Posts
    14,482
    Points
    232,948
    Level
    100
    Points: 232,948, Level: 100
    Level completed: 0%, Points required for next Level: 0
    Overall activity: 99.6%


    Ethnic group
    Italian
    Country: USA - New York



    1 out of 1 members found this post helpful.
    STOP the freaking spamming.


    Non si fa il proprio dovere perchè qualcuno ci dica grazie, lo si fa per principio, per se stessi, per la propria dignità. Oriana Fallaci

  7. #857
    Advisor Achievements:
    VeteranThree Friends50000 Experience PointsRecommendation Second Class
    Awards:
    Posting Award
    Angela's Avatar
    Join Date
    02-01-11
    Posts
    14,482
    Points
    232,948
    Level
    100
    Points: 232,948, Level: 100
    Level completed: 0%, Points required for next Level: 0
    Overall activity: 99.6%


    Ethnic group
    Italian
    Country: USA - New York



    0 out of 1 members found this post helpful.
    You seem to be under some sort of misapprehension about your position here.

    I am not going to tolerate this site being turned into a Balkan version of theapricity. Many of our other members are sick of this. You people clean up your act or there are going to be serious consequences.

  8. #858
    Junior Member Achievements:
    3 months registered250 Experience Points

    Join Date
    11-10-18
    Posts
    2
    Points
    301
    Level
    3
    Points: 301, Level: 3
    Level completed: 51%, Points required for next Level: 49
    Overall activity: 0%


    Country: Romania



    Hello guys,i was wonderinf if u know if or how relevant is Haplogroup j2-205 in the Vlach people?

  9. #859
    Regular Member Achievements:
    100 Experience Points1 year registered

    Join Date
    06-04-18
    Posts
    405


    Country: Romania



    0 out of 1 members found this post helpful.
    DNA analysis of the princely tomb no 10 from Arges.


    Hair:black
    Eyes:black
    Pigmentation: dark


    Radiocarbon dating proves that he's a less known son of Basarab called Alexander, brother of Nicholas Alexander.



    Since,especially at that time,the very most of the Romanians,Slavs,Hungarians and Turks were quite fair,at least in pigmentation,this is a proof of heavy Byzantine/Greek admixture,typical for the Orthodox rulers.

  10. #860
    Regular Member Achievements:
    100 Experience Points1 year registered

    Join Date
    06-04-18
    Posts
    405


    Country: Romania



    Mircea the Elder,rare painting preserved from 1526(11:23):



    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IqPNPx6bZ8Y



    How can you interpret this genetic analysis historically?



    The Byzantine admixture represents a guarantee, under multiple and,in the same time, ultimate, forms.



    We do now understand why Wallachia has kept the Imperial Gold in heraldry,as Hungarian vassal,that had silver,why they supported the Vidin Tsardom against the Tarnovo rulers,even if some voivods had been killed by them for that.



    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Basarab

  11. #861
    Regular Member Achievements:
    100 Experience Points1 year registered

    Join Date
    06-04-18
    Posts
    405


    Country: Romania



    I'd say that Mrs. Nora Berend is also a keen
    history observer,an interesting fact, these Wallachian rulers,like Basarab,Radu and Vlaicu,had accepted Hungarian suzerainty after applying series of heavy defeats on them.



    In the end,it was the Hungarian Kingdom itself that benefited the most of this large Wallachian autonomy, with the rising of some very important military leaders ,Iancu de Hundoara and his son,Matei Corvin,that took the State where no Luxembourgese ever dreamed.



    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marc...orvinus#Family



    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tlJGh0Zk7q0




    https://books.google.ro/books?id=Sgo...20wars&f=false

  12. #862
    Regular Member Achievements:
    100 Experience Points1 year registered

    Join Date
    06-04-18
    Posts
    405


    Country: Romania



    "Suddenly, a raven flew from a trunk,perched upon his helmet..."



    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marc...orvinus#Family



    Wallachian coin(Vladislav-Vlaicu Voda)



    http://monederomanesti.cimec.ro/gent...0dinar%20..jpg

  13. #863
    Regular Member Achievements:
    500 Experience Points1 year registered

    Join Date
    02-04-18
    Posts
    27
    Points
    910
    Level
    7
    Points: 910, Level: 7
    Level completed: 80%, Points required for next Level: 40
    Overall activity: 26.0%


    Country: Bulgaria



    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    You seem to be under some sort of misapprehension about your position here.

    I am not going to tolerate this site being turned into a Balkan version of theapricity. Many of our other members are sick of this. You people clean up your act or there are going to be serious consequences.
    What exactly is it you do not like? I have not read every single comment, so would like to hear a precise short answer. Thank you.

  14. #864
    Regular Member Achievements:
    500 Experience Points1 year registered

    Join Date
    02-04-18
    Posts
    27
    Points
    910
    Level
    7
    Points: 910, Level: 7
    Level completed: 80%, Points required for next Level: 40
    Overall activity: 26.0%


    Country: Bulgaria



    Quote Originally Posted by saversiplm View Post
    Hello guys,i was wonderinf if u know if or how relevant is Haplogroup j2-205 in the Vlach people?
    Here, take a look: Attachment 10964 It is most popular in Albania, Continent. Greece, BuLGaria/ BuRGaria and among the descendents of Volga BuLGars!!!
    Last edited by nothingfail; 30-04-19 at 10:53. Reason: spelling mistake

  15. #865
    Regular Member Achievements:
    500 Experience Points1 year registered

    Join Date
    02-04-18
    Posts
    27
    Points
    910
    Level
    7
    Points: 910, Level: 7
    Level completed: 80%, Points required for next Level: 40
    Overall activity: 26.0%


    Country: Bulgaria



    Quote Originally Posted by Dreptul Valah View Post
    My great -great grandfathers from the Buzau and Vrancea mountains still practiced transhumance: ...
    Do you know what buza and obraz mean in Sclaveno = BuLGarian/ BuRGarian !!! As well, as vrana, too, by the way!!!

  16. #866
    Regular Member Achievements:
    500 Experience Points1 year registered

    Join Date
    02-04-18
    Posts
    27
    Points
    910
    Level
    7
    Points: 910, Level: 7
    Level completed: 80%, Points required for next Level: 40
    Overall activity: 26.0%


    Country: Bulgaria



    Quote Originally Posted by Dreptul Valah View Post



    As far as I know in the Macedonian Slavic ,Vlach,Vlas ,also means millionaire, could be that many wealthy Aromanians had gather in FYROM at some point, many of them,perhaps, disconsidering more or less the traditional shepherd life...



    Vlachness it's not about money,but of fully engaging in risk and,even more ,controlling it closely,this is something that you all have to understand, sooner or later.
    Who told you vlah/ vlas meant a wealthy one in Macedonian Sclaveno = BuRGarian !!! I have not heard anything like that and my great grandfather was from the feet of the Pindus (from Sclaveno = BuLGarian/ BuRGarian sve/n/t and Wallachian sfint - BRiGht, saint) once in the 11th cent. called by the Thessalian Cecaumenos The Mountains of BuLGaria.

    The name is similar to the BRiGes/ Phrygian Thracian balaios – mighty, which in contemporary Sclaveno = BuLGarian/ BuRGarian as bol means very big, very much, similar also to the Proto Celtic BaLKo, in Eire previously BaLC, also balch, today - uallach, Wealsh - balch, Cornwallish - balgh, Bretonic balc'h – mighty and also free man. Albanian PLaK – head, leader. The various versions of the BuLGarian/ BuRGarian name has similar meanings. BəLGar, BeLGar, BaLKar, BəRGar, BuRGar (Vurgar), BLəGar are similar to the Sclaveno = BuLGarian/ BuRGarian BeL/ ByaL - White/ PuLCHero, oBaGRen - BRiGht, in meaning similar to the Sclaveno = BuLGarian/ BuRgarian yarək and Ukrainian (Old Russian) yary which sounds similar to Aryan, BaLK-an means and elevated place, same as the English BuLK and BuLGe, also BuRG, while BLəGar is similar to the Sclaveno = BuLGarian/ BuRGarian BLaG - noble and BLaGodren - thankful, grateful.

  17. #867
    Regular Member Achievements:
    500 Experience Points1 year registered

    Join Date
    02-04-18
    Posts
    27
    Points
    910
    Level
    7
    Points: 910, Level: 7
    Level completed: 80%, Points required for next Level: 40
    Overall activity: 26.0%


    Country: Bulgaria



    Quote Originally Posted by Dreptul Valah View Post
    The Hatchet,explained by the Romanian literary man Stefan Borbely,it was also based on traditional myths and legends...
    How would you translate Borbely and Sadoveanu from Romanian and are the root words Latin?

  18. #868
    Regular Member Achievements:
    500 Experience Points1 year registered

    Join Date
    02-04-18
    Posts
    27
    Points
    910
    Level
    7
    Points: 910, Level: 7
    Level completed: 80%, Points required for next Level: 40
    Overall activity: 26.0%


    Country: Bulgaria



    Quote Originally Posted by Archetype0ne View Post
    Nope, I formed my own personal opinion from a variety of sources over a long period of time, fitting theory to fact and not vice versa.

    However... Very interesting source. Thank you.
    Yet the J2 group have neither dissociated/ formed on the BaLKans nor are among the most common haplogroups of the BaLKans and South Eastern Europe, which I2a1 formed 14 000 years ago around the Danube delta and the Ukraine refugium (during the last ice age) and E-v13 formed 9 000 years ago and most common in Albania, Continent. Greece and BuLGaria/ BuRGaria.

    J2 is most common on the Greek Islands, esp. Cypress and Crete.

    Both J2b and E-v13 have quite high levels on the Volga river which indicates that the Volga BuLGars could have come from the BalKans, that is were Thracians in a way.

    The 23 and Me AUTOSOMAL BaLKan admixture shows very well all in South Eastern Europe have been more or less the same genetically for the last 2000 years, separated by stupidity!!!

    Herodotus, the father of history, wrote 2500 years ago that the Thracians (the future Sclaveno = BuLGarians/ BuRGarians, Hellenized, Latinized, Albanians) were th emost numerous on Earth after the Hindus but never had any unity which would always be their weakness. Dis-unification makes the weakness!!! българия_украйна_balkan_y-haplogroup_e-v13__22_percent_among_bulgarians_higher_pe.jpgбългария волжка албания гени y dna Haplogroup_J2b карта map.jpgDistribution_of_the_Balkans_admixture_in_Europe_(autosomal_researches) DNA гени.jpgRed_Sea-admixture incl. E-v13 y dna гени.jpgбългария bulgaria украйна ukraine траки херодот thracians herodotus 2.jpg

  19. #869
    Regular Member Achievements:
    500 Experience Points1 year registered

    Join Date
    02-04-18
    Posts
    27
    Points
    910
    Level
    7
    Points: 910, Level: 7
    Level completed: 80%, Points required for next Level: 40
    Overall activity: 26.0%


    Country: Bulgaria



    Quote Originally Posted by Dreptul Valah View Post
    Luan is the Albanian word for lion,Luana could mean Lioness.

    The legend is about the Walati(Proto-Romanian) populations, fighting against Mongols.
    The Lion as a symbol was used by many populations,The Crusaders,Byzantine Army,Asens(Kaloyan),leaders from Rhodopes,Macedonia,Despotate of Epirus,etc,in the time of the Romanian-Vlach military category.
    Yet, for some reason from all in South Eastern Europe the lion is the national coat of arms only of BuLGaria/ BuRGaria: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...?1556454351954

  20. #870
    Regular Member Achievements:
    500 Experience Points1 year registered

    Join Date
    02-04-18
    Posts
    27
    Points
    910
    Level
    7
    Points: 910, Level: 7
    Level completed: 80%, Points required for next Level: 40
    Overall activity: 26.0%


    Country: Bulgaria



    Quote Originally Posted by Dreptul Valah View Post
    1st map, proto- Wallachian genes,with clear peak in the western,core parts.


    3rd map, North Romanian genes(the linguistic and historical core is Northern Transylvania).


    4th map, the speakers of the Maramures-Cris dialect,with the Bukovinian extension,part of the North Romanian dialects,see Dragos' and Bogdan' dismounting),they share the generalized n-r rhotacism with the Istro-Romanians and Tosk Albanians;the genetic analysis suggests that they were the smallest Romanian-Vlach groups ,isolated into the mountains,the dialect contains some additional Western Romance and Albanian elements,even more than the regular Moldavian and Transylvanian ones.
    What does Romanian genes means on those maps? I see no haplogroups!!! Like I2a1, E-v13, R1, J2b etc. l-r l-r rhotacism is found in BuLGaria - BuRGaria българия_бъргария_бургария украйна_catalan_atlas_1375_карта_.jpg

  21. #871
    Regular Member Achievements:
    500 Experience Points1 year registered

    Join Date
    02-04-18
    Posts
    27
    Points
    910
    Level
    7
    Points: 910, Level: 7
    Level completed: 80%, Points required for next Level: 40
    Overall activity: 26.0%


    Country: Bulgaria


  22. #872
    Regular Member Achievements:
    500 Experience Points1 year registered

    Join Date
    02-04-18
    Posts
    27
    Points
    910
    Level
    7
    Points: 910, Level: 7
    Level completed: 80%, Points required for next Level: 40
    Overall activity: 26.0%


    Country: Bulgaria



    Quote Originally Posted by Trojet View Post
    You liar!! No J2b has been found in Kura Araxes culture to date.

    Furthermore, the Albanian J2b is in the J2b-L283 branch, the same version that's found in Bronze Age Croatia (Dalmatia) since ~1600 BCE.
    https://j2-m172.info/2018/02/y-snp-a...on-et-al-2018/
    E-v13 is most common among BuLGarians/ BuRGarians, too. E-v13 together with J2b has much higher levels on the Volga river among Chuvashes and Kazan so called Tatars compared to the Great so called "Russian" Muscovites, for example, which means that the Volga BuLGars most probably were from the BaLKans originally!!! According to Y (male) DNA Albanians are 85% identical with BuLGarians, Romanians - 92%, Northern Greeks - 96%, Ukrainians (Old Russians) - 60%. According to Mt (maternal) DNA Proto - BuLGarians' material tested showed closest similarity not to modern day BuLGarians but Central and Southern Italians and then to Ukrainians!!! българия_украйна_balkan_y-haplogroup_e-v13__22_percent_among_bulgarians_higher_pe.jpg

  23. #873
    Regular Member Achievements:
    500 Experience Points1 year registered

    Join Date
    02-04-18
    Posts
    27
    Points
    910
    Level
    7
    Points: 910, Level: 7
    Level completed: 80%, Points required for next Level: 40
    Overall activity: 26.0%


    Country: Bulgaria



    Quote Originally Posted by Dreptul Valah View Post
    The very most of this Balkan Sprachbund comes from Ochrid,especially after the reorganization of the Archbishopric caused by Basil II's conquest of the Bulgarian state,it explains how the entire Bulgarian-Macedonian language has elements that are considered inherited in Albanian.


    They used Romanian,Albanian, Slavic and Greek elements for a certain degree of standardization,like the alternative verb for "to marry", which in all of these had the initial meaning " to crown"(R cununa,A kurunzon,G stefanonu?,B vencavam).


    This semantic shift explains very well the term mire,that in Albanian stands for "good", while in Northern Romanian, is the word for " husband ",at the wedding ceremony, the entire semantic field definitely sounds ecclesiastical(ultimately from myrrh, with the obvious association " ointed"-"crowned ");the Aromanian instead uses an inherited term dziniri(Latin generis) and in this respect it resembles the Wallachian(ginere),so basically a divergence from Ochird,nevertheless ,not the same thing can be said about the quite consistent number of shared elements with the Northern Romanian dialects(Transylvanian and Moldavian),for example,celnic(the chief of the shepherds),instead of Paleo-Balkanic baci(Albanian bats) and the consonantization,Xo,u--->Xf,v(very rare,but present in the Northern R.)

    Nevertheless,the entire Romanian (Daco-R,at least/especially) has clearly less (or virtually none)consonantized words:R.preot,(Old or dialectal)Spanish preote,A prift.

    Consonatization exp:Latin Paulus,Greek Pavlos,Slavic Pavle.

    https://books.google.ro/books?id=eiY...panish&f=false

    R. dialects:

    https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mold...ia_Graiuri.jpg
    chelnik means leader in Sclaveno = BuLGarian/ BuRGarian from chelo - forehead. Most of the non Latin words and names in Romanian are not simply "Slavic", they are BuLGarian/ BuRGarian. Genetically per Y (male) DNA Romanians are 92% identical with BuLGarians/ BuRGarians, Northern Greeks - 96%, Albanians - 85%, Ukrainians (Old Russians) - 60%!!! The 23 and Me BaLKan AUTOSOMAL admixture shows the population in South Eastern Europe is more or less the same so much divided in time by stupidity, which Herodotus had foreseen 2500 years ago writing about the Thracains (the future Sclaveno = BuLGarians/ BuRGarians, Hellenized, Latinized, Albanians) that they were the most numerous on Earth after the Hindus but had no unity at all which would bee their weakness always!!! Here is a 16th cent. map showing Romania as BuLGaria: bulgaria Romania as Bulgaria Scythia Moscovia Macedonia Morea Europe_As_A_Queen_Sebastian_Munste.jpg

  24. #874
    Regular Member Achievements:
    100 Experience Points1 year registered

    Join Date
    06-04-18
    Posts
    405


    Country: Romania



    0 out of 1 members found this post helpful.
    I think that,after all this time,you,Albanians,Serbs,Bulgarians...Szeklers,sti ll don't understand Vlachs...


    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VJUgnG18SQA

  25. #875
    Regular Member Achievements:
    100 Experience Points1 year registered

    Join Date
    06-04-18
    Posts
    405


    Country: Romania



    0 out of 1 members found this post helpful.
    Quote Originally Posted by nothingfail View Post
    What does Romanian genes means on those maps? I see no haplogroups!!! Like I2a1, E-v13, R1, J2b etc. l-r l-r rhotacism is found in BuLGaria - BuRGaria българия_бъргария_бургария украйна_catalan_atlas_1375_карта_.jpg

    L-r rhotacism only exists in the Aromanian name of Bulgaria, Vargaria,it is an inherited word,suggesting that they lived since old times near some Bulgarian population.

Page 35 of 37 FirstFirst ... 253334353637 LastLast

Similar Threads

  1. Replies: 27
    Last Post: 13-02-19, 17:41
  2. Best DNA Ancestry Company?
    By DavidCoutts in forum DNA testing companies
    Replies: 45
    Last Post: 26-09-15, 04:44
  3. Germanic/ Celtic ancestry of the English
    By Woden in forum Y-DNA Haplogroups
    Replies: 3
    Last Post: 18-03-10, 03:33
  4. Eupedia Ancient Ancestry Project
    By secherbernard in forum Y-DNA Haplogroups
    Replies: 6
    Last Post: 29-08-09, 09:55

Tags for this Thread

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •