Vlach haplogroups & deep ancestry?

Facts about Kaloyan,the Asen's youngest brother


His name,Ionita(Ionitsa) is tipical for a Romanian little brother,with the usual diminutive suffix,-ita,-uta,that has the same spelling as the Italian -izzo,-uzzo.

https://books.google.ro/books?id=bW...AEwDXoECAMQAQ#v=onepage&q=izzo suffix&f=false


IMO,his seal,ring,does not contain a Dalmatian dog,but a Romanian mythological monster,the snake-dragon, called balaur,because:

-the' dog' has scales

-has snake-like slender body,way bigger jaws and claws

http://www.hubert-herald.nl/Bulgaria1.htm

http://www.hubert-herald.nl/Bulgaria1_bestanden/image061.jpg

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balaur

https://www.sarahsawyer.com/2011/10/mythic-creature-the-balaur/


Kaloyan is the third Asen brother, with the previous two,already killed,he will eventually have the same faith,the name means John the Handsome.

In the Romanian mythology, Prince-Charming,named Fat-Frumos,of Latin origin,literally, "The Handsome Young" ,is the third son of an Emperor,he kills the Balaur,after his brothers have failed(an usual IE event,that has the purpose to renew the death-life cycle),the monster on the ring is a trophy,for sure.
 
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The Balkan autosomes has to be mostly Dacian,Thracian and Illyrian,since it overlaps with the following Romanian borrowing, bryndza.


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bryndza


Polish song,Moldavian pronunciation:


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EEzoWrYUG-Q


North of the Danube,these genes can be associated with the spreading of the Shepherd's Axe,the Valasska.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shepherd's_axe


Polish dance:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nwhUxXyfZBw


https://www.google.ro/url?sa=t&sour...FjAUegQIAhAB&usg=AOvVaw3MaBAwEKHE-w5XWNXS39o_


And, the Romanian word for axe,secure,comes from Latin.


https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/secure
 
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Romanian bade is the addressing formula to an older brother,man,the word has unknown etymology.


It comes from Latin abas,abatem,and,like cuvant and possibility murg(from monachus,with the n-r rhotacism)was a monastical word.


https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/abbas#Latin


The loss of the initial a-,very common in Latin,for example,Latin aranea,Romanian raie.


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The Romanian form is very similar to the Portuguese and Spanish ones.
 
td120 said:
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/батя
https://ro.wiktionary.org/wiki/батя
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Only in Russian,you say.

Old Russian has preserved some words coming directly from Latin,without a Byzantine-Greek intermediate,more details can be found on Quora,the topic' name,"Is Russian a Latin language?"

There are also some German papers on the internet who claimed that ,at least,part of the Latin terms from all of the Slavic languages could be Romanian borrowings.


The main questions are:who passed them these words and in what place?
 
Parallels can be found in other IE languages.
Bulgarian variants are бате ; бат' ; батко ...байо , байно , бай etc. and have the same meaning like in Romanian. Similar forms I believe exist in Serbian too.

As for abbas ,abbot ...the origin is clearly Semitic.
 
Jintita(Jintitsa) is a traditional sheep product from Romania made from whey.


In my family, they were slowly heated the whey,to divide the solid-fat part from the "water".That water is jintita, very refreshing.


Although the word was introduced by the Romanian shepherds in the Carpathian Slavs' lands,their present product,zyncica is very different,some sort of kefir,although still whey-based,it seems.


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Žinčica


The word has a Slavic etymology, from a supposed root *zeti(to press),however it is not present in the Slavic countries,except from the North-Western Carpathian territories, as a borrowing.


South of the Danube it appears extremely isolated in a small area from the Bosnian mountains,the locals call the whey,zetyca,this is,for sure,a Vlach heritage(Petrovic)


http://www.farsarotul.org/nl16_1.htm
 
Dorianfinder said:

Aromanian or Romanian, they call themselves Vlach.

The Vlach people are primarily pastoralists involved in the raising of livestock, they have inhabited the mountains of Greece, Albania, Bulgaria, Romania, Moldova and the former Yugoslavia and profess the Eastern Orthodox Christian faith. Traditionally they spoke a proto-Romanian language and those Vlach who reside in Greece, Albania and the former Yugoslavia have taken the side of the Greek in wars and scuffles with other ethnic groups.
Vlach-expansion.jpg

This figure illustrates two of the three origin theories as proposed by Bosch et al. (2005), namely that the Vlachs originated from either the Dacians or the Thracians along the Danube.

In a landmark study Bosch et al. (2005) concluded, 'The homogeneity of the Balkan populations prevented testing for the origin of the Aromuns, although a significant Roman contribution can be ruled out.'

'All the Balkan populations analysed here were genetically homogeneous with the exception of some Aromun samples. This was particularly evident with the Y chromosome, as both haplogroup and 19 STR haplotype based data showed significant differences among the Aromun groups. Therefore, it seems that the Aromun populations do not constitute a homogeneous group separated from the rest of the Balkan populations, but that they present relative heterogeneity, especially for paternal lineage composition, between themselves.'

Bosch et al. (2005) posit the following theories regarding the possible origins of the Vlach:
1. Latinized Greeks
2. Descendants of Dacians who lived north of the Danube
3. Descendants of Thracians who lived south of the Danube
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Everything is wrong in this. Romanians/Aromanians DON'T call themselves Vlach.

Neither are they Greeks by ancestry. If anything they have a deep relation to Albanians, we see it in haplogroups.

There is a theory that proto-A/Romanians and proto-Albanians share the same progenitors.

When Albanians, along with a minority of Vlachs arrived to Greece in the middle ages, the Byzantines could not make a distinction between them.
 
In 2006 Bosch et al. attempted to determine if the Aromanians are descendants of Latinised Dacians, Greeks, Illyrians, Thracians or a combination of these, but no hypothesis could be proven because of the underlying genetic similarity of all the tested Balkan groups.

Linguistic and cultural differences between Balkan groups were deemed too weak to prevent gene flow among the groups.

HOWEVER,

Haplogroup R1b is the most common haplogroup among two or three of the five tested Aromanian populations, which is NOT shown as a leading mark of the Y-DNA locus in other regions or ethnic groups on the Balkan Peninsula.

On the 16 Y-STR markers from the five Aromanian populations, Jim Cullen's predictor speculates that over half of the mean frequency of 22% R1b of the Aromanian populations is more likely to belong to the L11 branch.

L11 subclades form the majority of Haplogroup R1b in Italy and western Europe, while the eastern subclades of R1b are prevailing in populations of the eastern Balkans.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aromanians

L11 is the parent of the Proto-Italo-Celtic-Germanic P312/S116 and Proto-Germanic S21/U106 subclades.

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Dorianfinder said:
and those Vlach who reside in Greece, Albania and the former Yugoslavia have taken the side of the Greek in wars and scuffles with other ethnic groups.
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This is pure Greek propaganda.
 
If you read all my posts in this thread you will see that I say the Vlach people are viewed as locals in the Balkans. In Greece they are perceived as Greek highlanders, in Albania they are viewed as Albanian highlanders, in Serbian, Romania, Croatia etc...

They are liked by all Balkan nations because they follow local patriotic tendencies and their customs are perceived as originally Balkan.

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Dorianfinder said:
If you read all my posts in this thread you will see that I say the Vlach people are viewed as locals in the Balkans. In Greece they are perceived as Greek highlanders, in Albania they are viewed as Albanian highlanders, in Serbian, Romania, Croatia etc...
They are liked by all Balkan nations because they follow local patriotic tendencies and their customs are perceived as originally Balkan.
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This is something different from what you said in the other post that i have quoted.
150 years ago, until the Congress of Berlin, even the Serbs were perceived in Greece as Greeks. Anyone who was an Orthodox was considered a Greek.
In Albania the Vlachs are not perceived as Albanian highlanders. They are considered Vlachs. They have their churches, schools, associations, everything in their language.
Check better your sources.
 
Dorianfinder,
Maybe I'm wrong but as I know, Aromanians are proud of their ethnicity and marry almost exclusively within their own group. Maybe they have preserved some older genetic features from Balkans. That may also be the explanation for some small differences found on the chromosome Y to others around.
 
The red dots represent exclusive Vlach settlements. They are predominantly located in the mountanous regions of Albania.

In contrast to the exclusive Vlach settlements located in the highlands, Vlach communities that are further away from their traditional location at elevation are more diverse and have developed in recent years.
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