Vlach haplogroups & deep ancestry?

Litovoi said:
Another interesting character from the same region,the football player Dimitar Berbatov,his name is Romanian,that is, Barbat,a man,from Latin barba.

Berbatov's name can be ultimately related to the Wallachian military nobility, since in the list of the earliest recorded rulers we do find Barbat,Litovoi's brother,helding the biggest domain that stretched on both sides of the Carpathians, with Hateg for sure included.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dimitar_Berbatov

https://ro.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bărbat_(voievod)

Berbatov's father,Ivan(on the left side)


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Wishful thinking, Berbatov's family name most likely comes from the Turkish Berbat, which means awful, hellish, etc. Probably this was his greatgrandfather's nickname, which turned into a surname. Bulgarians did not have official surnames during Ottoman times, some invented one after a nickname or profession, when Bulgaria became independent in 1878, but most used their grandfather's Christian name.
 
eastara said:
Wishful thinking, Berbatov's family name most likely comes from the Turkish Berbat, which means awful, hellish, etc. Probably this was his greatgrandfather's nickname, which turned into a surname. Bulgarians did not have official surnames during Ottoman times, some invented one after a nickname or profession, when Bulgaria became independent in 1878, but most used their grandfather's Christian name.
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Wishful Thinking,two different words with the same form are not a 100% match,for instance,in Romanian we do have a mare,that's what we call the sea,and another one that means important, great,big;clearly two different things,etymologies.

Another issue here is corruption,contamination,the less used term will copy or borrow from the form of the more popular and quite similar one.

For example,the marginal buar,a bison,auroch,gets contaminated with bou,a bull,resulting bour.

Buala,related to Albanian buall, is more often written boala,which is the term for illness.

Do I have to say that, to complete the math,you have to respond to the other post(Bela+ur)as well?

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Don't use this tone with me,you little squirrel...
 
Actually, there was an Italian linguist, probably a penguin with hat and a bowtie,who wanted to bring us closer,to the Adriatic,claiming that mare,which is,great,large,big,comes from the word for sea,Bartoli,if I recall, but it surely wasn't true,that's why it is very important how you say it,Wishful Thinking.

Procopius lists Mareburgu(The Big Fortress) near Pontes,Iron Gates,to be compared with Burgualtu(High Fortress).

http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roman/Texts/Procopius/Buildings/4B*.html
 
Litovoi said:
Wishful Thinking,two different words with the same form are not a 100% match,for instance,in Romanian we do have a mare,that's what we call the sea,and another one that means important, great,big;clearly two different things,etymologies.

Another issue here is corruption,contamination,the less used term will copy or borrow from the form of the more popular and quite similar one.

For example,the marginal buar,a bison,auroch,gets contaminated with bou,a bull,resulting bour.

Buala,related to Albanian buall, is more often written boala,which is the term for illness.

Do I have to say that, to complete the math,you have to respond to the other post(Bela+ur)as well?

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Don't use this tone with me,you little squirrel...
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I would advise you not to use in your linguistic exercises Bulgarian surnames, the etymology of which you don't know anything about.
And yes, a huge proportion of Bulgarian surnames have Turkish origin. For example most professions during Ottoman times had official Turkish or other non Slavic names and this is mirrored in the surnames. Bulgarian government in the 1930th even tried to make people with Turkish sounding surnames to change them to the common Christian names derived. Sound familiar on the Balkans, eh?
 
What is it with some Balkan men that they can't speak respectfully to other people and particularly to women? That's two today.
 
I have found some interesting legends,that seem to correspond to a certain degree,the Albanian Constantine and Doruntine,Dhoqina,and the Romanian Dochia,there are,however,some significant differences to be spotted here,while the first has the Besa as one of the main motifs,making from the young lady character ,a simple object,the second looks to me like the typical Southern European woman response,"I don't wanna,I don't wanna!",with the usual increasing volume and other accessories,because that's her businesses, to be quite of a subject.


http://www.albanianliterature.net/oralverse/verse_04.html


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Besa_(Albanian_culture)


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baba_Dochia
 
The actual story of the young Dochia dates from the early 19th and it represents the modification made by the author after he has picked it from a shepherd,in the original version,that has survived in Bucovina,Decebalus' sister was a simple shepherdess who had been continously and desperately running from marrying an Emperor.
 
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Zanatis said:
It's crazy how much Albanians and Romanians have in common and it's obvious that the 2 peoples lived in such close proximity but later got more and more apart as both lost territories and part of their people to Slavic assimilation.
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It's not, if you have certain purposes, nothing philosophically here,just my wishes and eagerness of how to express this energy.


I remember when my father was putting me on the wheel, you instantly feel that this is it,and after listening just a part of the indications,I instantly propelled the car into the closest fir trees;then,my father got extremelly angry ,relentlessly yelling and gesticulating very intimidating, but he quickly understood that he's not going to get the car that soon,although at the age of 12-13,the initiative can work tremendously.


The will was so uncontrollable, plus ,I had to demonstrate now to my father that I can do this,but the thing is,it wasn't just about driving a car,because it had to accelerate extremely and feel all that speed,however,no matter how keen
I was trying to be,the result was the same,on and on-the fir trees;when the ambition is great,you can repeat this process for a long time,again,nothing philosophically here.


It is clearly very nice to see this Albanian video,in the spirit that we also appreciate so much,especially in Western Wallachia,many times,with the same risks,same results:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7pP9B2Zise4
 
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Bachus said:
Vast majority of Serbs from Croatia came from eastern Herzegovina, Raška, northern and western Montenegro.
There is no Serbs from Croatia which originated from Kosovo and southern Serbia, these are fantasies.

Serbian village in Dalmatia - Baljci [video]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baljci[/video]
Village in eastern Herzegovina (near Bileća) - Baljci [video]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baljci,_Bileća[/video]

Serbian village in Dalmatia (near Knin) - Riđane [video]https://sh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riđane[/video]
Village in western Montenegro (near Nikšić) - Riđani [video]https://sh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riđani[/video]

Serbian family Krivošija from village Plavno near Knin in Dalmatia [video]https://www.poreklo.rs/2012/06/04/poreklo-prezimena-selo-plavno-knin/?script=lat[/video]
Serbian tribe Krivošija from Old Herzegovina (modern western Montenegro) [video]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krivošije[/video]

Serbian tribe Macure migrated in 15th century from nothern Montenegro to Dalmatia (Bukovica)
[video]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macure[/video]
[video]https://sr.wikipedia.org/sr-el/Ервеник#%D0%9F%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%B7%D0%B8%D0%B C%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B0[/video]

Serbian family Rašković from village Žagrović near Knin [video]https://actacroatica.com/hr/surname/Rašković/[/video]
​Raška (Grand Principalityof Serbia) [video]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Principality_of_Serbia[/video]
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I find it interesting how Southern Serbians from Montenegrin are the tallest in Europe along with the Dutch. I think that I must be a very isolated haplogroup in it's general spread throughout North and South East Europe.

Croats got Catholicity as a cultural identity. Really there is hardly much genetic difference between being Croatian and Serb
 
Lenab said:
I find it interesting how Southern Serbians from Montenegrin are the tallest in Europe along with the Dutch. I think that I must be a very isolated haplogroup in it's general spread throughout North and South East Europe.

Croats got Catholicity as a cultural identity. Really there is hardly much genetic difference between being Croatian and Serb
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Montenegrin's are 200000 thousand people mostly with Albanian ancestry,. So are the southern Serbs. So that funny tall haplogroup is Albanians from Kosovo
 
Tutkun Arnaut said:
Montenegrin's are 200000 thousand people mostly with Albanian ancestry,. So are the southern Serbs. So that funny tall haplogroup is Albanians from Kosovo
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What's this? There is so such thing as Serbian race Serbians are Alpines Pontids Dinarics actually Dinarics are very frequent in Serbians. I have two Serbian friends one is very blonde with blue eyes and one is Dinaric with dark eyes

Same with Albanians Albanians can have Illyrians like relations to Serbians who were original Illyrians like North Albanians. South Albanian have much Greek colonies also.

Also South Serbians are Mediterranean Montenegrin are Pontids usually. Serbians do not descent from Albanians more like Albanians descent from Serbians among other things.
 
Dreptul Valah said:
In my opinion,mare,that means great,large,big,important,
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comes from the Latin maior,maiores,proved by the following expression ,fata mare,a virgin,literally, 'big girl',with the initial meaning making even more sense(see the Romance words),an adult young lady.
 
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Vlach haplogroups & deep ancestry?

C’è una marea di gente. There is a lot of people.
Sei in un mare di guai. You’re in a world/a-lot of trouble.
Ho un mare di cose da fare. I have tons of things to do.

Mare: Ocean or Sea.
 
Salento said:
C’è una marea di gente. There is a lot of people.
Sei in un mare di guai. You’re in a world/a-lot of trouble.
Ho un mare di cose da fare. I have tons of things to do.
Mare: Ocean or Sea.
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It just can't be,because the Romanian term is related to the Dalmatian maur,who,according to Wiktionary, comes from maior,with the loss of the Latin diphthong au,pretty common in Romance.
Latin Augustus,populary Romanian agust.
 
It's definitely the time to speak about the ancient Balkanics,like the Thracians or Illyrians,since they seem to be some of the real artisans that have built and cemented the base of what'll become the modern mankind,right from their home,the land between the Black Sea and Adriatic.

I will present here certain interesting connections between these peoples and some quite similar, from other corners of Europe.
Etruskisch.de lists terms like marish(boy,youth,bridegroom), obviously related to Romanian mire(husband,bridegroom),another clear link, thuta(chaste,married only once),with the Illyrian Teuta,possibly an epithet, because she was in the middle of the action,only after the death of her husband.
 
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The Etruscan king Mezentius has already been associated with the Messapic Menzana,since the two also refer to Jupiter,but his story clearly indicates that he was a horseman hero,very similar to the Thracian one,called Mezenai,terms that have survived in Albanian(mez) and Romanian (manz),designating the foal,colt.
 
Salento said:
C’è una marea di gente. There is a lot of people.
Sei in un mare di guai. You’re in a world/a-lot of trouble.
Ho un mare di cose da fare. I have tons of things to do.

Mare: Ocean or Sea.
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in north italy

from Piedmont: mi (I) ël/el pare (the father) la mare (the mother) ël/el mar (the sea)

pare and mare same as piedmont in veneto, maybe all north-italy
 
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