Vlach haplogroups & deep ancestry?

A minor car crash from Western Wallachia:

 
Have you seen the man with the white shirt,this is how we walk.
We are talking here about native, advanced,leadership and management,many times performed in very difficult,fast, situations.
My ancestors stood firm along the Danube frontier,while Rome and Constantinople had a very different type of planning.
 
Bachus said:
Latin speaking ancestors of Romanians came to modern Romania from Bulgaria and southern Balkans in period from 12th to 14th century.
Before 12th century there was no Latin speaking people in territory of modern Romania, in present day Romania in middle age majoriry of populations were Slavs, but also Hungarians, Avars Saxons, Cumans, Tatars and Pechenegs were present.

Latin speakers who came to Wallachian plain from areas south of Danube in 12-14th century were assimilated local Slavs, and from that mix was created Vlacho-Romanian nation.
Modern Romanians have around 45% Slavic Y DNA (I2a 27%, R1a 18%), real Vlach haplogroups are eastern R1b, J2b and E-V13.
The purest Vlachs are Vlachs from southern Balkans (Aromanians), they have much less Slavic influence than Romanians which has heavy Slavic influence.

Romanian language until mid of 19th century was more Slavic than Latin, even today there is around 20% Slavic words in Romanian language.

There is a hundreds of Slavic toponyms in Romania today, and in the past even more.
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Romanians actually have 40% I2-din on average.
And 18% R1A on average.
But that does not means that we are Slavs.
It means that people from Balkans were assimilated by Slavs.
To whom ex-Yugos and Bulgarians are clustering on autosomal testing,with Ukrainians,Russians,Poles,Czechs,Slovaks?
No, they cluster very near or over Romanians.
 
mihaitzateo said:
Romanians actually have 40% I2-din on average.
And 18% R1A on average.
But that does not means that we are Slavs.
It means that people from Balkans were assimilated by Slavs.
To whom ex-Yugos and Bulgarians are clustering on autosomal testing,with Ukrainians,Russians,Poles,Czechs,Slovaks?
No, they cluster very near or over Romanians.
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Even Serbs and Croats (which have more I2a-Din than Romanians don't have 40% I2a-Din) have less than 40% I2a-Din.
Romanians have 28% I2a-Din [video]https://www.eupedia.com/europe/european_y-dna_haplogroups.shtml[/video]

According to Eupedia there is 34% I2a-Din in Serbia, but ethic Serbs have around 37% I2-Din.

I2a-Din came with Slavs in VII century.
Aromanians which are purest Vlachs than Romanians have less I2a-Din than Romanians, Albanian and Greeks have even less I2a-Din than Aromanians.

There is more holders of I2a-Din among Russians than in whole Balkans.
Number or Russians is around 150 millions and about 57 millions are men, among Russians I2a is 10,5% which means that among Russians there is around 7,9 million holders of I2a-Din and that is more than in Balkans.

Vlachs haplogroups are eastern R1b, E-V13 and J2b.
 
E-V13 scores more than 20% in the Western Wallachia, 2 samples from Martinez-Cruz and one from Cruciani 2004,while,for example, Cluj(M-C) and Ploiesti(Bosch) have this figure.
That's why I2a and even R1a are directly related to E-V13,within the Romanian-Vlach populations.
These haplogroups,no matter the origins,must be connected to certain ethnic,cultural ,realities,otherwise we gonna use mathematics/tables much more than law allows it to reach the same senseless results,"we are all from Africa" or "let me do a DNA test,then we talk about Renfrew or Anthony".
Connections between the Romanian-Vlach Y-DNA and autosomes were targeted by these two studies, Schmidt-Hoeckenbeck,"Genetic Studies in South Balkan Populations" and Bosch,Paternal and maternal...Aromuns",because,although we don't know if these share their samples,the same locations are being used,Ploiesti and Constanta,for the Romanians,Andon Poci,Kogalniceanu,Stip etc,for the Aromanians.
 
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Those "travellers" were actually well-defined Vlach groups with very high levels of autonomy,since mobility was always a key factor in both the strategical-military and economical-commercial activities ,apart from those involved in the nobility and bishop,ecclesiastical, routine.
 
The Vlachs from the left bank of the Danube and the ones from the right bank of the Danube are the product of the Roman presence in the region... there was no migration northbound or southbound... well, with the exception of the transhumance of the shepherds (they were always on the move, they didn’t believe in owning the land; kind of like the Native American Indians). The reason that the Vlachs from the South and Vlachs from the North have a very similar language is because they are the descendants of Roman Dacian/Thracian simbiosis.


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Litovoi said:
Serbian kjelator that designates a Vlach function,doesn't come from Greek kellas,a sheep,because the word is Romanian,calator means traveller and it is the typical Latin formation,association, road-traveller,via-viator,cale(Latin callis)-calator,which is preserved only in this language.
https://books.google.ro/books?id=Sq...e&q=serbia vlachs degree romanization&f=false
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When I read the word calator and its meaning I immediately thought of "calle" in Spanish which means "street".
 
Bachus said:
Latin speaking ancestors of Romanians came to modern Romania from Bulgaria and southern Balkans in period from 12th to 14th century.
Before 12th century there was no Latin speaking people in territory of modern Romania, in present day Romania in middle age majoriry of populations were Slavs, but also Hungarians, Avars Saxons, Cumans, Tatars and Pechenegs were present.

Latin speakers who came to Wallachian plain from areas south of Danube in 12-14th century were assimilated local Slavs, and from that mix was created Vlacho-Romanian nation.
Modern Romanians have around 45% Slavic Y DNA (I2a 27%, R1a 18%), real Vlach haplogroups are eastern R1b, J2b and E-V13.
The purest Vlachs are Vlachs from southern Balkans (Aromanians), they have much less Slavic influence than Romanians which has heavy Slavic influence.

Romanian language until mid of 19th century was more Slavic than Latin, even today there is around 20% Slavic words in Romanian language.

There is a hundreds of Slavic toponyms in Romania today, and in the past even more.
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Seems highly unlikely that the E-V13, J2b, and R1b Latin speaking mountain dwelling shepherds moved North and assimilated local Slavs when in reality the opposite was going on. Local Vlachs in the Balkans were being assimilated to Slavs after 14th or 15th century, especially in Serbia, Bosnia, Montenegro, and Dalmatia, and even Albania.

Many families from the village of Vraka, North Albania known today as Montenegrins/Serbs were actually Orthodox Vlachs before.
 
Litovoi said:
Romanian gaura,a hole,from Latin cavola,can be connected to Mons Gaurus,Monte Gauro,a volcanic mountain with caldera.
https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Monte_Gauro_-_la_caldera_occupata_dal_"Carney_Park"_-_Pozzuoli_(NA)_-_2000.jpg
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Mount_Gaurus
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Barbaro
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The k-g shift is attested in Umbrian kumiaf-gomiaf,S. Italian and Romanian ,zgaiba,Latin scabies

https://www.google.ro/url?sa=t&sour...FjAAegQIAhAB&usg=AOvVaw2EDDF6U8ZliwodPTkBrhEF


https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/cavus
 
Zanatis said:
Seems highly unlikely that the E-V13, J2b, and R1b Latin speaking mountain dwelling shepherds moved North and assimilated local Slavs when in reality the opposite was going on. Local Vlachs in the Balkans were being assimilated to Slavs after 14th or 15th century, especially in Serbia, Bosnia, Montenegro, and Dalmatia, and even Albania.

Many families from the village of Vraka, North Albania known today as Montenegrins/Serbs were actually Orthodox Vlachs before.
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Some Vlachs in Balkans were asimilatted by south Slavs, Albanians and Greeks.

Vlachs which migrated from Bulgaria, southeastern Serbia and southern Balkans to modern southern Romania from 12th to 14th century asimilatted a lot of Slavs in modern Romania. Because of that Romanian language is genetic are heavy Slavic influenced, in Romania there is a hundreds Slavic toponyms.

Some Vlachs are slavized, albanized and helenized, but some Slavs are vlachized.
Romanians are not only one Vlachs which absorbed Slavic population, Aromanians also absorbed some Slavs but less than Romanians.
Aromanians have 17% I2a1b and 10% R1a, which means that Aromanians have 27% Slavic Y DNA.
Romanians have 28% I2a1b and 18% R1a, which means that Romanians have 46% Slavic Y DNA.


Many Vlacho-Romanian rulers from middle age had Slavic names such as:

Vlad the Impaler (Vlad is from a short form of Slavic names Vladimir and Vladislav) [video]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vlad[/video]

Bogdan III the One-Eyed (Bogdan is name of Slavic origin, very popular among south Slavs, Russians and Ukrainians) [video]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bogdan_III_the_One-Eyed[/video]

Radu I of Wallachia (Rad means work on many Slavic language, name Rade is very popular among Serbs and name Radek is very popular among Czechs) [video]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radu_I_of_Wallachia[/video]

Mircea I of Wallachia (name Mircea derivated from Slavic word Mir which means peace, Slavic names Miroslav and Mirko also derivated from Mir) [video]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mircea_I_of_Wallachia[/video]
 
Bachus said:
Some Vlachs in Balkans were asimilatted by south Slavs, Albanians and Greeks.

Vlachs which migrated from Bulgaria, southeastern Serbia and southern Balkans to modern southern Romania from 12th to 14th century asimilatted a lot of Slavs in modern Romania. Because of that Romanian language is genetic are heavy Slavic influenced, in Romania there is a hundreds Slavic toponyms.

Some Vlachs are slavized, albanized and helenized, but some Slavs are vlachized.
Romanians are not only one Vlachs which absorbed Slavic population, Aromanians also absorbed some Slavs but less than Romanians.
Aromanians have 17% I2a1b and 10% R1a, which means that Aromanians have 27% Slavic Y DNA.
Romanians have 28% I2a1b and 18% R1a, which means that Romanians have 46% Slavic Y DNA.


Many Vlacho-Romanian rulers from middle age had Slavic names such as:

Vlad the Impaler (Vlad is from a short form of Slavic names Vladimir and Vladislav) [video]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vlad[/video]

Bogdan III the One-Eyed (Bogdan is name of Slavic origin, very popular among south Slavs, Russians and Ukrainians) [video]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bogdan_III_the_One-Eyed[/video]

Radu I of Wallachia (Rad means work on many Slavic language, name Rade is very popular among Serbs and name Radek is very popular among Czechs) [video]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radu_I_of_Wallachia[/video]

Mircea I of Wallachia (name Mircea derivated from Slavic word Mir which means peace, Slavic names Miroslav and Mirko also derivated from Mir) [video]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mircea_I_of_Wallachia[/video]
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Well Dacia was Roman province from 107–275.Genetically both Italians and Romanians have very little to nothing in common except Latin based language.
Romanians live next to Slavs for thousands years and are very similar genetically.
Romanians used Old Church Slavonic in churches until 19th century,had Slavic names even in present.
Romanian language was much more Slavic influenced until it's reformation,making it more Latin.
Wallachia was more under Bulgarian rule than ever was Roman.
Overall Vlachs and Slavs had similar/same history and there wasn't culture bariers,except one being more agriculturalist other more pastoralists.
 
The Daco-Romanians share with Italians the L-vocalization after the consonant, a feature not present in Dalmatian,Aromanian, Megleno-Romanian or Istro-R,which proves their more northern origins,near the important centers like Sirmium,Viminacium,Singidunum and Naissus,that have maintained some contacts with Rome.
Daco-R cheie,It.chiave,Megleno-R claili,Macedo-R cliai,Dalm. clus,Latin clavis.
L clamare,Dr chiama,I chiamare
L clarus,Dr chiar(even),I chiaro
L sclavus,Dr schiau,I schiavo
LclaudereDr inchide I chiudere
L glacies,Dr gheata,I ghiaccio
https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/clavis
https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/glacies#Latin
https://www.google.ro/url?sa=t&sour...WMAZ6BAgLEAE&usg=AOvVaw0xtBb1luhyH71TnUGRDrnI
 
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Bachus said:
Some Vlachs in Balkans were asimilatted by south Slavs, Albanians and Greeks.

Vlachs which migrated from Bulgaria, southeastern Serbia and southern Balkans to modern southern Romania from 12th to 14th century asimilatted a lot of Slavs in modern Romania. Because of that Romanian language is genetic are heavy Slavic influenced, in Romania there is a hundreds Slavic toponyms.

Some Vlachs are slavized, albanized and helenized, but some Slavs are vlachized.
Romanians are not only one Vlachs which absorbed Slavic population, Aromanians also absorbed some Slavs but less than Romanians.
Aromanians have 17% I2a1b and 10% R1a, which means that Aromanians have 27% Slavic Y DNA.
Romanians have 28% I2a1b and 18% R1a, which means that Romanians have 46% Slavic Y DNA.


Many Vlacho-Romanian rulers from middle age had Slavic names such as:

Vlad the Impaler (Vlad is from a short form of Slavic names Vladimir and Vladislav) [video]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vlad[/video]

Bogdan III the One-Eyed (Bogdan is name of Slavic origin, very popular among south Slavs, Russians and Ukrainians) [video]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bogdan_III_the_One-Eyed[/video]

Radu I of Wallachia (Rad means work on many Slavic language, name Rade is very popular among Serbs and name Radek is very popular among Czechs) [video]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radu_I_of_Wallachia[/video]

Mircea I of Wallachia (name Mircea derivated from Slavic word Mir which means peace, Slavic names Miroslav and Mirko also derivated from Mir) [video]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mircea_I_of_Wallachia[/video]
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one of the biggest Vlach tribes is from Slavic origin
the Antes
 
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