Multiple choice; Where in Europe can Armenians and Georgians pass as natives?

[Knovas]

It surprised me at the beggining, but for what you say looks quite reliable. At 23andme I don't deviate towards Basques, while for example FR1 (Sligthly closer in the map) does. But it's true that I don't get the typical clusters like other Iberians (North Italians, Tuscans, etc). However, that plot needs an improve since a very long time, they must include more samples.

You Georgians don't have any reference population there LOL

 

[Kardu]

yes, we are terribly underrepresented everywhere..
If 23andme has some Christmas discounts we plan to get at least 30 kits, let's see

 

[MOESAN]

Georgians lighter than spaniards ? That's imposible. There was even a study about skintone and spaniards were as light as other West-Europeans.

very surprising!
the only results I have been for reflectance speak of Basques (might enough, this ones, yes) - have you a reference, a link to give me about other "Iberia" people?
because if not all of them, I saw a lot of very dark 'olive' skin with Spanish: sure there are regionale and individual differences, but but...

 

[Knovas]

And surely you have the exact percent of this dark Spaniards. "If not all of them"...come on xd

To my count the thing goes: two days; two barbarities about ethnic groups. ¿Another "dark" (LOL) period in Eupedia? I hope not.

By the way, this thread seems to be over.

 

[Kardu]

And surely you have the exact percent of this dark Spaniards. "If not all of them"...come on xd

To my count the thing goes: two days; two barbarities about ethnic groups. ¿Another "dark" (LOL) period in Eupedia? I hope not.

By the way, this thread seems to be over.

Yes, unless some new contradictory data shows up, all is clear here

 

[oreo_cookie]

 

[Kardu]

Armenians girl and a man on the second photo could have been Georgians.

 

[oreo_cookie]

I'm starting to be able to tell the difference between Armenians and Georgians.

 

[Canek]

Armenians are whiter than people in southern Europe (spain, italy...)

 

[Kardu]

Armenians are whiter than people in southern Europe (spain, italy...)

Lol, are you tr0lling or what?!

 

[LeBrok]

Canek got permaban for playing provocateur on many threads today.

 

[Kardu]

Canek got permaban for playing provocateur on many threads today.

Thanks, good to know

 

[Antigone]

Canek got permaban for playing provocateur on many threads today.

He was not very clever nor inventive about it though. Just repeated the same rubbish over and over again, Spanish are African, Southern Europeans are lazy and South Americans are the best thing since sliced bread. A child could have done better.

 

[Knovas]

Maximum tr0lling (L) jaja

Thank you, it's good to see that the seriously ILL behaviour is punished.

Armenians girl and a man on the second photo could have been Georgians.

Yes, I agree. In fact, there's substantial shared ancestry between Georgians and Armenians, so I guess more or less 1 between 15 Armenians could fit into Georgia in average. Just an impression.

 

[jurrian]

I agree with lebowky and goga. Armenians look like iberians the most. But armenians have lesser african admixture and more asiatic admixture. Regards.

 

[Knovas]

This sounds familiar to me...3 posts refering to the same, ¡what a casuality!

Well, let's remind the West Eurasian plot: PNG image

The plot does not see ANY genetic overlap in regards for admixture. ES samples (Spain) and the AM's (Armenia) are quite far away from each other.

 

[oreo_cookie]

Anyone else?

 

[Kardu]

According to Dienekes' new K12a oracle calculator one can see significant difference between the 2 groups which apparently gets reflected in phenotypes too:

[1,] "Armenians" "0"
[2,] "Armenian_D" "7.8708"
[3,] "Armenians_Y" "8.0839"
[4,] "Turks" "10.2303"
[5,] "Turkish_D" "11.6803"
[6,] "Azerbaijan_Jews" "13.4142"
[7,] "Assyrian_D" "14.2794"
[8,] "Georgia_Jews" "15.099"
[9,] "Kumyks_Y" "16.2868"
[10,] "Uzbekistan_Jews" "16.3374"

[1,] "Georgians" "0"
[2,] "Abhkasians_Y" "3.0806"
[3,] "North_Ossetians_Y" "15.4032"
[4,] "Balkars_Y" "17.1225"
[5,] "Adygei" "17.311"
[6,] "Armenians" "22.0152"
[7,] "Chechens_Y" "22.3917"
[8,] "Armenians_Y" "25.2067"
[9,] "Armenian_D" "25.5484"
[10,] "Kumyks_Y" "26.0678"

 

[Kardu]

DodecadOracle("Georgians", mixedmode=T)
[,1] [,2]
[1,] "Georgians" "0"
[2,] "5% Bulgarians_Y + 95% Abhkasians_Y" "0.8304"
[3,] "5% Bulgarian_D + 95% Abhkasians_Y" "0.8768"
[4,] "4.2% N_Italian_D + 95.8% Abhkasians_Y" "0.9666"
[5,] "4.9% Romanians + 95.1% Abhkasians_Y" "0.9746"
[6,] "3.4% French_D + 96.6% Abhkasians_Y" "1.0087"
[7,] "5.8% Greek_D + 94.2% Abhkasians_Y" "1.0207"
[8,] "4% North_Italian + 96% Abhkasians_Y" "1.0214"
[9,] "3.5% French + 96.5% Abhkasians_Y" "1.0408"
[10,] "4.6% Tuscan + 95.4% Abhkasians_Y" "1.0462"

DodecadOracle("Armenians", mixedmode=T)
[,1] [,2]
[1,] "Armenians" "0"
[2,] "71.6% Armenian_D + 28.4% Adygei" "3.3841"
[3,] "71.8% Armenian_D + 28.2% Balkars_Y" "3.5543"
[4,] "74.8% Armenian_D + 25.2% Chechens_Y" "3.7812"
[5,] "68.7% Turkish_D + 31.3% Abhkasians_Y" "4.0145"
[6,] "28.2% Adygei + 71.8% Armenians_Y" "4.0967"
[7,] "66.4% Turkish_D + 33.6% Georgians" "4.1136"
[8,] "71.9% Armenians_Y + 28.1% Balkars_Y" "4.1788"
[9,] "73.7% Armenian_D + 26.3% North_Ossetians_Y" "4.2326"
[10,] "70.8% Armenian_D + 29.2% Kumyks_Y" "4.4999"

 

[Knovas]

Well, the difference was also noticeable before, now it's just more evident. We'll see the v4 version how it looks.