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Thread: Autosomal map : Mediterranean admixture (from Dodecad)

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    I2a1 + G2a + E1b1b

    I think Mediterranean admixture, instead of West Asian (which is phenotypically mediterranean, too, but an "eastern" variant) has an older origin and in Europe was carried until early Neolithic.
    In fact, Sardinia has the highest percentage of this admixture, and its people is known as an early neolithic people, with a high percentage of Mesolithic I2a1a and early Neolithic G2a haplogroups... and a lower percentage of Bronze Age J2 (typically West Asian admixture) than the rest of Italy.
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    I'm southern Moroccan I have 25% Mediterranea according to the dodecad, the map shows 10-20% not accurate for my results.

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    Using Dodecad v3 still gives very good results

    My fathers results

    Admix Results (sorted):


    # Population Percent
    1 West_European 36.13
    2 Mediterranean 34.25
    3 West_Asian 12.56
    4 East_European 9.04
    5 Southwest_Asian 6.12
    6 Northwest_African 1.17
    7 Southeast_Asian 0.29
    8 Palaeo_African 0.26
    9 Neo_African 0.15
    10 South_Asian 0.03

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Tuscan (Henn) 8.78
    2 Tuscan (Xing) 9.19
    3 TSI (HapMap) 9.36
    4
    N_Italian (Dodecad) 10.78
    5 O_Italian (Dodecad) 14.02
    6 Portuguese (Dodecad) 15.51
    7 North_Italian (HGDP) 15.71
    8
    French (Dodecad) 16.12
    9 French (HGDP) 16.22
    10 Slovenian (Xing) 16.53
    11 Tuscan (HGDP) 16.77
    12 IBS (1000Genomes) 17.37
    13 Spaniards (Behar) 17.68
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    Spanish (Dodecad) 17.92
    15 Romanians_14 (Behar) 18.49
    16 Hungarians (Behar) 18.69
    17 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 18.97
    18 CEU (HapMap) 19.04
    19
    C_Italian (Dodecad) 19.3
    20 N._European (Xing) 20.11

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 60.1% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 39.9% German (Dodecad) @ 2.14



    and mine below
    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 West_European 35.5
    2 Mediterranean 33.55
    3 West_Asian 13.97
    4 East_European 9.92
    5 Southwest_Asian 5.3
    6 Northwest_African 1.5
    7 Neo_African 0.09
    8 Palaeo_African 0.09
    9 South_Asian 0.07

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Tuscan (Henn) 8.75
    2 Tuscan (Xing) 8.9
    3 TSI (HapMap) 9.16
    4
    N_Italian (Dodecad) 11.36
    5 O_Italian (Dodecad) 13.93
    6 Slovenian (Xing) 15.81
    7 North_Italian (HGDP) 16.41
    8
    Portuguese (Dodecad) 16.79
    9 Tuscan (HGDP) 16.9
    10 French (HGDP) 17.19
    11
    French (Dodecad) 17.2
    12 Romanians_14 (Behar) 17.27
    13 Hungarians (Behar) 17.92
    14 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 18.3
    15 IBS (1000Genomes) 18.68
    16
    C_Italian (Dodecad) 19.03
    17 Spaniards (Behar) 19.06
    18
    Spanish (Dodecad) 19.27
    19 Balkans (Dodecad) 19.37
    20 CEU (HapMap) 19.38

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 52.5% C_Italian (Dodecad) + 47.5% German (Dodecad) @ 1.35


    I bolded the dodecad samples .................It seems by mothers influence added a bit more italian into me than what my father did
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    Interesting difference

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    Hey all. I don't really know how to interpret these results. Using dodecad v3 these were my results(btw I am Albanian):

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 Mediterranean 38.16
    2 West_European 25.04
    3 West_Asian 20.54
    4 East_European 8.96
    5 Southwest_Asian 5.87
    6 Northwest_African 1.28
    7 Northeast_Asian 0.15

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Tuscan (Xing) 6.18
    2 O_Italian (Dodecad) 6.61
    3 TSI (HapMap) 7.07
    4 Tuscan (Henn) 7.1
    5 C_Italian (Dodecad) 8.78
    6 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 10.11
    7 Tuscan (HGDP) 10.53
    8 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 10.83
    9 N_Italian (Dodecad) 12.48
    10 Greek (Dodecad) 12.84
    11 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 13.1
    12 Sicilian (Dodecad) 14.52
    13 Romanians_14 (Behar) 14.82
    14 S_Italian (Dodecad) 16.01
    15 North_Italian (HGDP) 16.08
    16 Morocco_Jews (Behar) 16.66
    17 Sephardic_Jews (Behar) 18.98
    18 Balkans (Dodecad) 19.86
    19 Portuguese (Dodecad) 22.6
    20 Sardinian (HGDP) 23.16

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 67% S_Italian (Dodecad) + 33% German (Dodecad) @ 1.77
    2 77.6% Greek (Dodecad) + 22.4% Irish (Dodecad) @ 1.77
    3 76.5% Greek (Dodecad) + 23.5% Cornwall (1000 Genomes) @ 1.83
    4 76.4% Greek (Dodecad) + 23.6% British (Dodecad) @ 1.84
    5 76.5% Greek (Dodecad) + 23.5% British_Isles (Dodecad) @ 1.92
    6 74.7% Greek (Dodecad) + 25.3% Dutch (Dodecad) @ 1.99
    7 75.6% Greek (Dodecad) + 24.4% Kent (1000 Genomes) @ 2
    8 74.1% Greek (Dodecad) + 25.9% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) @ 2.1
    9 85.7% C_Italian (Dodecad) + 14.3% Finnish (Dodecad) @ 2.11
    10 74.2% C_Italian (Dodecad) + 25.8% Slovenian (Xing) @ 2.23
    11 65.5% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 34.5% Slovenian (Xing) @ 2.5
    12 65.6% Tuscan (Henn) + 34.4% Greek (Dodecad) @ 2.65
    13 65.8% TSI (HapMap) + 34.2% Greek (Dodecad) @ 2.67
    14 78.8% Greek (Dodecad) + 21.2% Norwegian (Dodecad) @ 2.72
    15 75% C_Italian (Dodecad) + 25% Hungarians (Behar) @ 2.73
    16 60.7% S_Italian (Dodecad) + 39.3% Slovenian (Xing) @ 2.73
    17 85% C_Italian (Dodecad) + 15% FIN (1000Genomes) @ 2.73
    18 71.6% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 28.4% German (Dodecad) @ 2.81
    19 70.9% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 29.1% Romanians_14 (Behar) @ 2.83
    20 69.3% Sicilian (Dodecad) + 30.7% German (Dodecad) @ 2.88

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    My admixture results

    Half Lucanian and Half Sicilian

    #PopulationPercent
    1 Mediterranean 37.71
    2 West_Asian 21.34
    3 West_European 20.93
    4 Southwest_Asian 11.22
    5 East_European 3.79
    6 Northwest_African 3.51
    7 Neo_African 0.59
    8 Palaeo_African 0.47
    9 East_African 0.44

    This test of Dodecad for me is the least accurate in terms of population mixes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Azzurro View Post
    My admixture results

    Half Lucanian and Half Sicilian

    #PopulationPercent
    1 Mediterranean 37.71
    2 West_Asian 21.34
    3 West_European 20.93
    4 Southwest_Asian 11.22
    5 East_European 3.79
    6 Northwest_African 3.51
    7 Neo_African 0.59
    8 Palaeo_African 0.47
    9 East_African 0.44

    This test of Dodecad for me is the least accurate in terms of population mixes.
    This calculator is quite outdated and predates anything we have found out with ancient data so far.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan View Post
    This calculator is quite outdated and predates anything we have found out with ancient data so far.
    Makes sense, this test for me was the most way off in terms of oracle 4, which one is the most updated?

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    # Population Percent
    1 Mediterranean 34.3
    2 West_Asian 27.99
    3 West_European 17.68
    4 Southwest_Asian 10.69
    5 East_European 4.81
    6 Northwest_African 2.81
    7 Neo_African 0.63

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 4.18
    2 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 4.76
    3 Morocco_Jews (Behar) 8.54
    4 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 10.48
    5 C_Italian (Dodecad) 12.04
    6 S_Italian (Dodecad) 12.88
    7 Greek (Dodecad) 12.91
    8 Sicilian (Dodecad) 12.95
    9 Sephardic_Jews (Behar) 13.39
    10 O_Italian (Dodecad) 13.9
    11 Tuscan (Xing) 14.08
    12 TSI (HapMap) 14.85
    13 Tuscan (Henn) 15.02
    14 Turkish (Dodecad) 16.7
    15 Tuscan (HGDP) 18.17

    Using 4 populations approximation:
    1 Armenians_16 + Sephardic_Jews + Sephardic_Jews + N._European @ 1.849716
    2 Armenians_16 + German + Sephardic_Jews + Sephardic_Jews @ 1.861409
    3 Armenian + German + Sephardic_Jews + Sephardic_Jews @ 1.941576
    4 Armenian + Sephardic_Jews + Sephardic_Jews + N._European @ 2.018164
    5 Armenian + Sephardic_Jews + Sephardic_Jews + Argyll @ 2.155078
    6 Armenians_16 + CEU + Sephardic_Jews + Sephardic_Jews @ 2.175092
    7 Armenians_16 + Sephardic_Jews + Sephardic_Jews + Argyll @ 2.201028
    8 Ashkenazi + Morocco_Jews + TSI + Turkish @ 2.229323
    9 Ashkenazy_Jews + Morocco_Jews + TSI + Turkish @ 2.257721
    10 Armenian + CEU + Sephardic_Jews + Sephardic_Jews @ 2.264643
    11 Ashkenazi + Morocco_Jews + Turkish + Tuscan @ 2.338351
    12 Ashkenazy_Jews + Ashkenazy_Jews + Assyrian + N_Italian @ 2.338849
    13 Armenians_16 + Orcadian + Sephardic_Jews + Sephardic_Jews @ 2.367444
    14 Armenian + French + Greek + Palestinian @ 2.371409
    15 Armenians_16 + Orkney + Sephardic_Jews + Sephardic_Jews @ 2.373824
    16 Ashkenazi + Morocco_Jews + Turkish + Tuscan @ 2.385565
    17 Ashkenazy_Jews + Morocco_Jews + Turkish + Tuscan @ 2.392817
    18 Cypriots + French + Morocco_Jews + Turks @ 2.426138
    19 Ashkenazy_Jews + Morocco_Jews + Turkish + Tuscan @ 2.441977
    20 Armenian + Orcadian + Sephardic_Jews + Sephardic_Jews @ 2.443026
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joey D View Post
    # Population Percent
    1 Mediterranean 34.3
    2 West_Asian 27.99
    3 West_European 17.68
    4 Southwest_Asian 10.69
    5 East_European 4.81
    6 Northwest_African 2.81
    7 Neo_African 0.63

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 4.18
    2 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 4.76
    3 Morocco_Jews (Behar) 8.54
    4 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 10.48
    5 C_Italian (Dodecad) 12.04
    6 S_Italian (Dodecad) 12.88
    7 Greek (Dodecad) 12.91
    8 Sicilian (Dodecad) 12.95
    9 Sephardic_Jews (Behar) 13.39
    10 O_Italian (Dodecad) 13.9
    11 Tuscan (Xing) 14.08
    12 TSI (HapMap) 14.85
    13 Tuscan (Henn) 15.02
    14 Turkish (Dodecad) 16.7
    15 Tuscan (HGDP) 18.17

    Using 4 populations approximation:
    1 Armenians_16 + Sephardic_Jews + Sephardic_Jews + N._European @ 1.849716
    2 Armenians_16 + German + Sephardic_Jews + Sephardic_Jews @ 1.861409
    3 Armenian + German + Sephardic_Jews + Sephardic_Jews @ 1.941576
    4 Armenian + Sephardic_Jews + Sephardic_Jews + N._European @ 2.018164
    5 Armenian + Sephardic_Jews + Sephardic_Jews + Argyll @ 2.155078
    6 Armenians_16 + CEU + Sephardic_Jews + Sephardic_Jews @ 2.175092
    7 Armenians_16 + Sephardic_Jews + Sephardic_Jews + Argyll @ 2.201028
    8 Ashkenazi + Morocco_Jews + TSI + Turkish @ 2.229323
    9 Ashkenazy_Jews + Morocco_Jews + TSI + Turkish @ 2.257721
    10 Armenian + CEU + Sephardic_Jews + Sephardic_Jews @ 2.264643
    11 Ashkenazi + Morocco_Jews + Turkish + Tuscan @ 2.338351
    12 Ashkenazy_Jews + Ashkenazy_Jews + Assyrian + N_Italian @ 2.338849
    13 Armenians_16 + Orcadian + Sephardic_Jews + Sephardic_Jews @ 2.367444
    14 Armenian + French + Greek + Palestinian @ 2.371409
    15 Armenians_16 + Orkney + Sephardic_Jews + Sephardic_Jews @ 2.373824
    16 Ashkenazi + Morocco_Jews + Turkish + Tuscan @ 2.385565
    17 Ashkenazy_Jews + Morocco_Jews + Turkish + Tuscan @ 2.392817
    18 Cypriots + French + Morocco_Jews + Turks @ 2.426138
    19 Ashkenazy_Jews + Morocco_Jews + Turkish + Tuscan @ 2.441977
    20 Armenian + Orcadian + Sephardic_Jews + Sephardic_Jews @ 2.443026
    Now that you've done so many, which one gives you the best fits?


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    # Population Percent
    1 Mediterranean 31.37
    2 West_European 24.81
    3 West_Asian 22.11
    4 Southwest_Asian 10.52
    5 East_European 8.11
    6 Northwest_African 1.54
    7 South_Asian 1.15




    Finished reading population data. 227 populations found.
    12 components mode.


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    Least-squares method.


    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 Ashkenazy_Jews @ 7.046566
    2 Ashkenazi @ 8.798317
    3 Tuscan @ 9.340907
    4 Tuscan @ 10.314009
    5 TSI @ 10.633063
    6 O_Italian @ 13.250822
    7 C_Italian @ 15.191481
    8 Morocco_Jews @ 15.911724
    9 S_Italian_Sicilian @ 17.478785
    10 Romanians_14 @ 18.492083
    11 Greek @ 18.493767
    12 Tuscan @ 18.780405
    13 Sicilian @ 19.891289
    14 N_Italian @ 20.192476
    15 S_Italian @ 21.152630
    16 Sephardic_Jews @ 21.979015
    17 Balkans @ 23.479164
    18 North_Italian @ 24.715025
    19 Stalskoe @ 25.281397
    20 Turkish @ 26.534128


    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% Cypriots +50% N._European @ 4.026691




    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% Greek +25% Norwegian +25% Syrians @ 1.747165




    Using 4 populations approximation:
    1 Cypriots + French + Georgia_Jews + Slovenian @ 1.032320
    2 Georgia_Jews + Mixed_Germanic + Romanians_14 + Sephardic_Jews @ 1.092663
    3 Georgia_Jews + Kent + Romanians_14 + Sephardic_Jews @ 1.094614
    4 Dutch + Georgia_Jews + Romanians_14 + Sephardic_Jews @ 1.101209
    5 Cypriots + French + Georgia_Jews + Slovenian @ 1.140119
    6 Iraq_Jews + Tuscan + Slovenian + Tuscan @ 1.186475
    7 Balkans + Cornwall + Iraq_Jews + Sephardic_Jews @ 1.239372
    8 Iraq_Jews + Slovenian + Tuscan + Tuscan @ 1.277937
    9 Balkans + Iraq_Jews + Kent + Sephardic_Jews @ 1.282583
    10 British_Isles + Iraq_Jews + Romanians_14 + Sephardic_Jews @ 1.292782
    11 Iraq_Jews + Tuscan + Tuscan + Slovenian @ 1.318040
    12 Ashkenazi + French + Georgia_Jews + Romanians_14 @ 1.335380
    13 Balkans + British + Iraq_Jews + Sephardic_Jews @ 1.339466
    14 British_Isles + Georgia_Jews + Romanians_14 + Sephardic_Jews @ 1.340084
    15 British + Georgia_Jews + Romanians_14 + Sephardic_Jews @ 1.387007
    16 Balkans + British_Isles + Iraq_Jews + Sephardic_Jews @ 1.419597
    17 Iraq_Jews + TSI + Slovenian + Tuscan @ 1.432325
    18 Cornwall + Georgia_Jews + Romanians_14 + Sephardic_Jews @ 1.443631
    19 Ashkenazy_Jews + French + Georgia_Jews + Romanians_14 @ 1.449065
    20 Balkans + Dutch + Iraq_Jews + Sephardic_Jews @ 1.454222

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    Now that you've done so many, which one gives you the best fits?
    I've got no idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joey D View Post
    I've got no idea.
    Well, if you're interested, and you've saved the results, just check for the lowest Oracle number for your actual ancestry.

    For example, in this run, your accuracy of "fit" number for Sicilian is 12.95. South Italian isn't much better. Now, Italians almost never get fits under 1 like some northern Europeans get, but the calculators should be able to do better than this.

    FWIW, the best for me is MDLP, for the simple reason that it has numerous Northern Italian and Tuscan samples.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    Well, if you're interested, and you've saved the results, just check for the lowest Oracle number for your actual ancestry.

    For example, in this run, your accuracy of "fit" number for Sicilian is 12.95. South Italian isn't much better. Now, Italians almost never get fits under 1 like some northern Europeans get, but the calculators should be able to do better than this.

    FWIW, the best for me is MDLP, for the simple reason that it has numerous Northern Italian and Tuscan samples.
    So am I looking for the one which has the smallest number match to Sicilian on a single population?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joey D View Post
    So am I looking for the one which has the smallest number match to Sicilian on a single population?
    Well, that's what I do...

    For example, on this Dodecad run my best score is the N_Italian Dodecad group at 6.7. On MDLP 23b I get Piemonte at 4.7. The World 22 is worse.

    I should add that MDLP isn't good for my husband at all, who is Southern Italian.

    For him, I think I remember that Eurogenes K13 wasn't bad, and it wasn't terrible for me either. I think it was around 5 for both North Italian and Tuscan, which reflects my actual ancestry, which on other tests shows that I'm right between Bergamo and Firenze, leaning slightly toward Bergamo.

    All this variation is one reason why I don't take these calculators all that seriously.

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    My Dodecad 12b results look pretty close to the mark:

    Caucasus 37.67
    Atlantic_Med 25.61
    North_European 13.81
    Southwest_Asian 10.26
    Gedrosia 7.38
    Northwest_African 3.67
    East_African 1.13
    Sub_Saharan 0.45


    Single Population:
    1 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 5.36
    2 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 5.47
    3 Sicilian (Dodecad) 5.56
    4 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 6.29
    5 Greek (Dodecad) 7.95
    6 Sephardic_Jews (Behar) 9.52
    7 C_Italian (Dodecad) 10.89
    8 Morocco_Jews (Behar) 12.75
    9 O_Italian (Dodecad) 13.7
    10 Tuscan (HGDP) 14.8


    Using 4 populations approximation:
    1 Abhkasians + North_Italian + Portuguese + Samaritians @ 1.351221
    2 Abhkasians + Castilla_Y_Leon + N_Italian + Samaritians @ 1.517337
    3 Abhkasians + Extremadura + North_Italian + Samaritians @ 1.523689
    4 Abhkasians + Canarias + North_Italian + Samaritians @ 1.583644
    5 Abhkasians + Castilla_Y_Leon + North_Italian + Samaritians @ 1.618618
    6 Armenian + Bulgarians + Canarias + Cypriots @ 1.631697
    7 Abhkasians + Galicia + North_Italian + Samaritians @ 1.683491
    8 Abhkasians + Murcia + N_Italian + Samaritians @ 1.713063
    9 Abhkasians + Canarias + N_Italian + Samaritians @ 1.717037
    10 Armenians + Morocco_Jews + O_Italian + O_Italian @ 1.732806

    That first 4 population mix is one of the lower numbers I return, if not the lowest.

    Mind you, I had to look up what Abhkasian and Samaritian were! (which I take to be estimates of what is getting picked up from the Caucasus and Levant).



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    According to Wikipedia, only 777 Samaritans remain alive (which I assume is the same as Samaritian).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joey D View Post
    My Dodecad 12b results look pretty close to the mark:

    Caucasus 37.67
    Atlantic_Med 25.61
    North_European 13.81
    Southwest_Asian 10.26
    Gedrosia 7.38
    Northwest_African 3.67
    East_African 1.13
    Sub_Saharan 0.45


    Single Population:
    1 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 5.36
    2 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 5.47
    3 Sicilian (Dodecad) 5.56
    4 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 6.29
    5 Greek (Dodecad) 7.95
    6 Sephardic_Jews (Behar) 9.52
    7 C_Italian (Dodecad) 10.89
    8 Morocco_Jews (Behar) 12.75
    9 O_Italian (Dodecad) 13.7
    10 Tuscan (HGDP) 14.8


    Using 4 populations approximation:
    1 Abhkasians + North_Italian + Portuguese + Samaritians @ 1.351221
    2 Abhkasians + Castilla_Y_Leon + N_Italian + Samaritians @ 1.517337
    3 Abhkasians + Extremadura + North_Italian + Samaritians @ 1.523689
    4 Abhkasians + Canarias + North_Italian + Samaritians @ 1.583644
    5 Abhkasians + Castilla_Y_Leon + North_Italian + Samaritians @ 1.618618
    6 Armenian + Bulgarians + Canarias + Cypriots @ 1.631697
    7 Abhkasians + Galicia + North_Italian + Samaritians @ 1.683491
    8 Abhkasians + Murcia + N_Italian + Samaritians @ 1.713063
    9 Abhkasians + Canarias + N_Italian + Samaritians @ 1.717037
    10 Armenians + Morocco_Jews + O_Italian + O_Italian @ 1.732806

    That first 4 population mix is one of the lower numbers I return, if not the lowest.

    Mind you, I had to look up what Abhkasian and Samaritian were! (which I take to be estimates of what is getting picked up from the Caucasus and Levant).


    Thanks. I was interested to see if after all these years the Dodecad K12b was still among the best for Southern Italians, and I guess it is. It's good for my husband too.

    For him too his closest matches are Ashkenazim, Greeks, and only then Central Italians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by New Englander View Post
    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 Ashkenazy_Jews @ 7.046566
    Your first result is very distant. I guess that you're not fully Ashkenazy.

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    Those results are strange altogether. I've never seen Ashkenazim score near Tuscans, or the Tuscan groups separated that way. They always appear as a cluster. Sicilians are never anywhere near Northern Italians either. As I said, there's always Ashkenazim, Greeks, then maybe Central Italians, and Northern Italians at a far remove.

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    Im 50% Campanian from Naples and Avellino, last name is Salerno (Y-DNA R1b-U152)

    25% Scottish-English from New Brunswick (Mt-DNA J1c8)

    12.5% Ashkenazim (Lithuania)

    12.5% Sephardim (Istanbul)

    Thats why my results are so strange.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    Those results are strange altogether. I've never seen Ashkenazim score near Tuscans, or the Tuscan groups separated that way. They always appear as a cluster. Sicilians are never anywhere near Northern Italians either. As I said, there's always Ashkenazim, Greeks, then maybe Central Italians, and Northern Italians at a far remove.

    That's even more strange, how many Tuscan samples are there in this calculator? I count 4.

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 Ashkenazy_Jews @ 7.046566
    2 Ashkenazi @ 8.798317
    3 Tuscan @ 9.340907
    4 Tuscan @ 10.314009
    5 TSI @ 10.633063

    6 O_Italian @ 13.250822
    7 C_Italian @ 15.191481
    8 Morocco_Jews @ 15.911724
    9 S_Italian_Sicilian @ 17.478785
    10 Romanians_14 @ 18.492083
    11 Greek @ 18.493767
    12 Tuscan @ 18.780405
    13 Sicilian @ 19.891289
    14 N_Italian @ 20.192476
    15 S_Italian @ 21.152630
    16 Sephardic_Jews @ 21.979015
    17 Balkans @ 23.479164
    18 North_Italian @ 24.715025
    19 Stalskoe @ 25.281397
    20 Turkish @ 26.534128

    Quote Originally Posted by New Englander View Post
    Im 50% Campanian from Naples and Avellino, last name is Salerno (Y-DNA R1b-U152)

    25% Scottish-English from New Brunswick (Mt-DNA J1c8)

    12.5% Ashkenazim (Lithuania)

    12.5% Sephardim (Istanbul)

    Thats why my results are so strange.

    Indeed.

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    Well, admixed people certainly don't get "standard" results, but what usually happens is that you get totally "wrong" results that are a sort of genetic midpoint but have nothing to do with you.

    Someone I share with who is 1/4 Northern Italian, 1/4 Ashkenazi and 1/2 British comes out as various northern Balkan nationalities or Central Europeans as the best fits. Someone half Chinese and half British might come up as Uigher, as another example. I've known half Sicilian/half Irish people come out as Northern Italian.

    In your case, as you're half Neapolitan plus some Jewish mix I could see you come out as southern Italian maybe or Ashkenazi, but it seems odd that Tuscans would be so high on your list. Plus, why would the Tuscans be separated?

    Still, those are the results apparently. As I said to Joey, I don't take these calculator results too much to heart, other than that they seem to get me "generally" right.

    @Pax Augusta,
    I only remember there being three Tuscan samples, but I'm wrong, obviously.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pax Augusta View Post
    That's even more strange, how many Tuscan samples are there in this calculator? I count 4.

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 Ashkenazy_Jews @ 7.046566
    2 Ashkenazi @ 8.798317
    3 Tuscan @ 9.340907
    4 Tuscan @ 10.314009
    5 TSI @ 10.633063

    6 O_Italian @ 13.250822
    7 C_Italian @ 15.191481
    8 Morocco_Jews @ 15.911724
    9 S_Italian_Sicilian @ 17.478785
    10 Romanians_14 @ 18.492083
    11 Greek @ 18.493767
    12 Tuscan @ 18.780405
    13 Sicilian @ 19.891289
    14 N_Italian @ 20.192476
    15 S_Italian @ 21.152630
    16 Sephardic_Jews @ 21.979015
    17 Balkans @ 23.479164
    18 North_Italian @ 24.715025
    19 Stalskoe @ 25.281397
    20 Turkish @ 26.534128




    Indeed.
    I get in this old tester.............N_Italian followed by O_Italian

    Dodecad ProjectJune 22, 2011 at 1:34 AM

    O_Italian is Other Italian, and that is all due to a single individual that I am waiting to hear from to see whether he/she has any explanation for these results. I will also carry another data cleanup once I'm done with this, to detect submitted relatives or outliers that likely misreported their ancestry. This is part of the reason why I am not reporting raw averages at this time, as I have not cleaned up all the latest submissions.

    Part of the (to be continued) involves visually inspecting the population portraits to catch outliers such as the one contributing the "Northeast Asian" in the O_Italian sample.

    Using Eurogenes K13 ..........O_Italian for me is Moldovian ( it could have been austrian, slovenian etc )
    Using this program
    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 North_Italian @ 6.561348
    2 Tuscan @ 10.774459
    3 Romanian @ 11.652096
    4 Portuguese @ 12.593212
    5 Bulgarian @ 12.972255
    6 Serbian @ 13.157703

    Using 4 populations approximation:
    1 Moldavian + North_Italian + North_Italian + North_Italian @ 0.846187


    Eurogenes K13 is an upgrade from Dodecad k12b (below)
    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 N_Italian @ 7.232117
    2 O_Italian @ 10.282262
    3 North_Italian @ 10.633726
    4 TSI30 @ 12.199794
    5 Tuscan @ 13.774434
    6 C_Italian @ 16.037565
    7 Romanians @ 16.207996
    8 Baleares @ 16.422617
    9 Galicia @ 17.024021
    10 Bulgarian @ 17.031006

    Although Dodecad was once good it has fallen away badly ...........best id Mdlp k23 ..............or his new ones K16 ( modern ) and K11 ( ancient )

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