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    thank you - So, not a downstream ex-I2b?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MOESAN View Post
    thank you - So, not a downstream ex-I2b?
    Right, old I2b is now "I2a2." I made a thread about this earlier here.

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    New Georgian results just came in and a representative of Vachandze noble family is HG I and possibly I2c.
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    I'm sure you are not alone Kardu in regads for your haplogroup in Georgia. We'll see if the new results are finally I2c, perhaps you are descended of a noble too jaja.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Knovas View Post
    I'm sure you are not alone Kardu in regads for your haplogroup in Georgia. We'll see if the new results are finally I2c, perhaps you are descended of a noble too jaja.
    Yes, deep clade test results will be available in a few weeks. And yes, I am too of noble descent :):)

    Actually so far we have 2 known Georgian I2c and now this one and all 3 of us belong to old nobility.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kardu View Post
    Yes, deep clade test results will be available in a few weeks. And yes, I am too of noble descent :):)

    Actually so far we have 2 known Georgian I2c and now this one and all 3 of us belong to old nobility.
    I'm becoming convinced that the nobility connection of Caucasian I2c-B is real. But is it just coincidence that Caucasian nobility have a rare European-origin haplogroup? Or does that pattern match something expected?

    Here's another question: do the noble Georgian I2c and/or noble Armenian I2c cluster closely together? If so, the nobility connection is probably best explained by coincidence, and doesn't give us clues as to the origin of Caucasian I2c. If not, and they are diverse enough to connect at or near the MRCA of the cluster, then the nobility connection will likely actually explain the origin.

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    It's really curious that seems to be recurrent. Kardu, if you finally test the 30 Georgians you mentioned time ago (noble descent too if I remember well), would be good to know how many I2c appear ;)

    PD: You should marry a beautiful Georgian princess :P

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    Quote Originally Posted by sparkey View Post
    I'm becoming convinced that the nobility connection of Caucasian I2c-B is real. But is it just coincidence that Caucasian nobility have a rare European-origin haplogroup? Or does that pattern match something expected?

    Here's another question: do the noble Georgian I2c and/or noble Armenian I2c cluster closely together? If so, the nobility connection is probably best explained by coincidence, and doesn't give us clues as to the origin of Caucasian I2c. If not, and they are diverse enough to connect at or near the MRCA of the cluster, then the nobility connection will likely actually explain the origin.
    With the available data at hand I tend to think of Phrygian/Meskhi origin of the Caucasian I2c. As I've mentioned earlier on this forum Meskhi entry in the Caucasus 2800 years ago is a historical fact and they established themselves in south and central-east Georgia, exactly the are where our 3 families originate.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mushki
    I've just got a confirmation by Prof. Nortdvedt that our new Georgian looks like a solid I2-14.
    According to calculations I stand a bit apart from other Caucasian I2c and our TMRCA is about 3000+ years. Another Georgian clusters apart from Armenians as well. Still have to check the new guy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Knovas View Post
    It's really curious that seems to be recurrent. Kardu, if you finally test the 30 Georgians you mentioned time ago (noble descent too if I remember well), would be good to know how many I2c appear ;)

    PD: You should marry a beautiful Georgian princess :P
    Yes, we've got the first 6 another 24 will follow :)

    As, for a princess, DNA test has revealed that my lady has enigmatic origins leading to Belgium/Southern Netherlands. So now I try to solve the puzzle :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kardu View Post
    With the available data at hand I tend to think of Phrygian/Meskhi origin of the Caucasian I2c. As I've mentioned earlier on this forum Meskhi entry in the Caucasus 2800 years ago is a historical fact and they established themselves in south and central-east Georgia, exactly the are where our 3 families originate.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mushki
    I've just got a confirmation by Prof. Nortdvedt that our new Georgian looks like a solid I2-14.
    According to calculations I stand a bit apart from other Caucasian I2c and our TMRCA is about 3000+ years. Another Georgian clusters apart from Armenians as well. Still have to check the new guy.
    It's still curious that Southeastern European I2c-B all clusters together, almost certainly with a later TMRCA than the Asian I2c-B... see Paul Givargidze.

    But I think you may be right about the Meshkis anyway. All we need is...

    (1) I2c-B in trace amount in Europe earlier than the Meshkis (some Western European members fit with this well enough, and indicate that the center of diversity of I2c-B is close to its I2c-A and I2c-C brothers, near the Rhine in their cases)
    (2) Expansion from Southeastern Europe and later near-total replacement there (the dating of the Asian branches seem to square with this, as well as the history of Southeastern Europe, which has undergone numerous population shifts)
    (3) Expansion of the Asian branch and a Southeastern European remnant independently (we already have explanations for why these may have happened)

    Is the mystery of I2c unraveling?

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    Fully agree with your points, very nicely defined!

    I am not very fond of STR-based groupings though. I prefer SNP-based grouping which takes in account STRs like Marko Heinila has done. Here are the same kits according to Heinila kardu-ydna.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kardu View Post
    Fully agree with your points, very nicely defined!

    I am not very fond of STR-based groupings though. I prefer SNP-based grouping which takes in account STRs like Marko Heinila has done. Here are the same kits according to Heinila
    I didn't think there were any known SNPs downstream of I2c.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sparkey View Post
    I didn't think there were any known SNPs downstream of I2c.
    ok, I haven't put it right, should have been vice versa: Heinila's calculations are based on 67 marker haplotypes and he takes in account SNPs as well. :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by sparkey View Post
    I'm becoming convinced that the nobility connection of Caucasian I2c-B is real. But is it just coincidence that Caucasian nobility have a rare European-origin haplogroup? Or does that pattern match something expected?

    Here's another question: do the noble Georgian I2c and/or noble Armenian I2c cluster closely together? If so, the nobility connection is probably best explained by coincidence, and doesn't give us clues as to the origin of Caucasian I2c. If not, and they are diverse enough to connect at or near the MRCA of the cluster, then the nobility connection will likely actually explain the origin.
    The three noble Armenian families I can identify in the FTDNA project (Prince Hasan Jalal Dawla and the two Meliks) are in clusters A and D, while the Georgian Donauri is in cluster K. So the I2C Caucasus nobility is well diversified.

    Hasan-Jalal traced his descent (possibly by way of Sahl Smbatjan) to an earlier Armenian dynasty (the Eṙanšahiks) which ruled in Gardman up to the 7th century AD. The Eṙanšahiks in turn were supposed to be derived from the very ancient Syuni family, whose origin is semi-mythological in a way similar to the Scandinavian Ynglings. If this is true, it means that the I2c component in Armenian nobility is of very long standing. This in itself may account for the elevated frequency of I2c in the Armenian population at large.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Hasan-Jalalyan
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sahl_Smbatean
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    Quote Originally Posted by haithabu View Post
    The three noble Armenian families I can identify in the FTDNA project (Prince Hasan Jalal Dawla and the two Meliks) are in clusters A and D, while the Georgian Donauri is in cluster K. So the I2C Caucasus nobility is well diversified.

    Hasan-Jalal traced his descent (possibly by way of Sahl Smbatjan) to an earlier Armenian dynasty (the Eṙanšahiks) which ruled in Gardman up to the 7th century AD. The Eṙanšahiks in turn were supposed to be derived from the very ancient Syuni family, whose origin is semi-mythological in a way similar to the Scandinavian Ynglings. If this is true, it means that the I2c component in Armenian nobility is of very long standing. This in itself may account for the elevated frequency of I2c in the Armenian population at large.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Hasan-Jalalyan
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sahl_Smbatean
    Thanks for the fascinating insights. According to wiki though: "At the time of the publication of Hewsen's initial article in the journal Revue des Études Arméniennes, the author was unable to trace any survivors of the house but did note that the final two Catholicoi of Albania, Hovhannes XII (1763–1786) and Sargis II (1794–1815), had a dozen brothers altogether, all who left a "numerous progeny by the middle of the nineteenth century." How can we be sure that the person tested really belongs to that famous line?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kardu View Post
    Thanks for the fascinating insights. According to wiki though: "At the time of the publication of Hewsen's initial article in the journal Revue des Études Arméniennes, the author was unable to trace any survivors of the house but did note that the final two Catholicoi of Albania, Hovhannes XII (1763–1786) and Sargis II (1794–1815), had a dozen brothers altogether, all who left a "numerous progeny by the middle of the nineteenth century." How can we be sure that the person tested really belongs to that famous line?
    There are actually two individuals in the FTDNA I2c project who claim this descent. They have a genetic distance of 3 out of 67 markers, so they are not closely related. We can't be sure that either is actually descended from Jalal-Hasan, but the fact that both independently claim this descent and share a common ancestor within the relevant time frame makes it reasonable to believe that they are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by haithabu View Post
    There are actually two individuals in the FTDNA I2c project who claim this descent. They have a genetic distance of 3 out of 67 markers, so they are not closely related. We can't be sure that either is actually descended from Jalal-Hasan, but the fact that both independently claim this descent and share a common ancestor within the relevant time frame makes it reasonable to believe that they are.
    In general it seems quite plausible. It is more or less same or adjacent area. Gardman seems to relate to Gardaban, the tribe from which Donauris come, my ancestral village is also on the territory of Gardaban and Kukhi tribes. We can speculate that Gardman, Gardaban, Kukhi tribes were part of Phrygian /Mushki entry in the Caucasus among which were the I2c folks.

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    For fun, here is a brief summary of the consensus that Kardu, haithabu, and I seem to be coming to about the history of I2c (obviously not all of this is certain and this is subject to revision):

    The History of I2c

    I2c is a subclade of Haplogroup I, the only surviving Y-DNA haplogroup that can be said with high confidence to have been in Europe since the Paleolithic. By around the beginning of the Neolithic in Europe, I2c had bottlenecked into three major branches, all of which did not expand until significantly later, remaining minority clades in populations near the Rhine.

    The first to expand was the "C" branch. Although perhaps the least common nowadays, it diversified within Western Europe nearly 4000 years ago, probably around the Middle Rhine, from which it became a minority clade in some tribes, mostly Celtic and maybe some Germanic. It is still a trace haplogroup everywhere it is found.

    The "A" branch waited another 1000 years or so, but followed a similar pattern to "C." Having a strong affinity to I2a2b, it was apparently a tiny trace minority clade within Urnfield Culture before having some minor success in expanding with the Iron Age Celts. Minor expansions on the Brythonic area of Scotland and the Emmental in Switzerland made it perhaps surpass "C" in numbers.

    Both "A" and "C" are dwarfed in numbers by "B." Although it expanded late, around the same time as "A," and shares a Western center of diversity, probably not too far from the Rhine, most of the expansion of "B" happened in Eastern Europe and Asia. Some minor gene flow had some "B" carriers end up in Southeastern Europe as a small minority, where some stayed and others, as part of the Phrygian/Mushki migrations, ended up in Anatolia. Those who remained in Southeastern Europe remained a small minority, and maybe even bottlenecked further, before finding some minor success within the Venetian Republic, especially in Crete, and also later with a Jewish family who expanded significantly Northward. Those who moved onto Anatolia became even luckier, as "B" found itself into the local nobility, expanding accordingly and becoming perhaps the most common I subclade in Asia.

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    Very nice!!!:)

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    Hi Sparkey, do you know anything new about I2c? All other haplogroups are getting some exciting breakthroughs and we seem to have hit a brick-wall.. :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kardu View Post
    Hi Sparkey, do you know anything new about I2c? All other haplogroups are getting some exciting breakthroughs and we seem to have hit a brick-wall.. :)
    There was a push to get more SNPs out of I2c-C, but I haven't heard that anything came out of that. Nordtvedt has been shifting his TMRCAs around a bit and it seems that he now thinks that group A is the oldest, rather than group C as he had been suggesting (B seems to always be young no matter what, though). That could mean that groups A and C are quite anciently linked, probably to older Celtic migrations alongside I2a2b, although it's still difficult to narrow down the temporal aspect precisely, and I may be misinterpreting his figures (like I don't know if he includes the DYS393=13 outliers like Vail and Winckers).

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    Thanks, good to know.

    Yes, considering that our I2c-B ancestors entered Anatolia from Balkans not earlier than 4000 years ago with Phrygians/Galatians/Bythynians we must be the youngest branch..

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    Minor update: An SNP was found in a WTY shortly after I posted here last (L1251) in an I2c-C individual. It was soon after established that all of I2c-A and I2c-B are L1251-, but it wasn't until very recently that there were enough I2c-C individuals tested to confirm that L1251 is common to I2c-C.

    So the changes to the nomenclature will be:

    I2c-A => I2c*-A
    I2c-B => I2c*-B
    I2c-C => I2c1

    Nordtvedt has already adopted the "I2c1" nomenclature, and ISOGG should follow pretty soon now that we're sure about the placement of L1251.

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    Good news, thanks Sparkey!

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    the distribution and variance of these rare subclades of Y-I2c plus the distribution of other Y-I2 and even Y-I1 put me to suppose a central Europe ancient origin of their ancestors - the Y-I1 separated toward North (Baltic shores?) undergoing a pretty good growing lately and all the other scattered in Europe, only Y-I2a1b knowing a big demic growing in southeastern Europe among these last ones - the others (Y-I2C, Y-I2b, Y-I2a1a being scattered like archaic forms in remote coastal or mountainous regions, from N-W / S-W Europe to Caucasus and Anatolia?

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