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    Ok, I'm just joining this thread. I recently had a genetics test with LivingDNA and found out my YDNA was I2C (L596).

    My entire family (both maternal and paternal lines) going back several generations actually comes from the region between Florina, Greece and Bitola, Macedonia.

    My paternal line which we can trace back to my Great Great Great Great Grandfather (7 generations) was born circa 1800-1810. He was a farmer, and our surname is derived from his first name. I believe he was ethnically Macedonian-Slavic (or Western Bulgarian or Slavophone Greek - take your pick), but the village was under the Patriarch of Constantinople (effectively Greek Orthodox Churches). So I guess the region was part way through a Hellenisation process at the time. The village now falls under the territory of Greece, as of 1913.

    Does anyone have any theories of the origin/likely migration path and the population percentages of I2C (L596) around this region?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LerinCovek View Post
    Ok, I'm just joining this thread. I recently had a genetics test with LivingDNA and found out my YDNA was I2C (L596).
    My entire family (both maternal and paternal lines) going back several generations actually comes from the region between Florina, Greece and Bitola, Macedonia.
    My paternal line which we can trace back to my Great Great Great Great Grandfather (7 generations) was born circa 1800-1810. He was a farmer, and our surname is derived from his first name. I believe he was ethnically Macedonian-Slavic (or Western Bulgarian or Slavophone Greek - take your pick), but the village was under the Patriarch of Constantinople (effectively Greek Orthodox Churches). So I guess the region was part way through a Hellenisation process at the time. The village now falls under the territory of Greece, as of 1913.
    Does anyone have any theories of the origin/likely migration path and the population percentages of I2C (L596) around this region?
    Based on the current distribution of the two subclades I2c1 and I2c2 you fall in the territory of the latter, so I'd guess you are I2c2.

    I2c2 is found in Greece, its relatively high in Crete 9%, but also Thessaly and the Peloponnese, a small sample from Macedonia was reported as 3.5%. so its natural that you have it.

    How it got to Greece and the Balkans is a mystery, the subclade is young, dated to 1800 BC, not Neolithic nor early Bronze Age, its high frequency in Crete made me think it could related to the Minoans but its too young, besides Thessaly and the Peloponnese are not connected to the Minoans.

    the other major lineage that appears in the same time is E-V13, dated to 2000 BC, the Mycenaeans by all means should have been primarily of this lineage, maybe I2c2 was a minor element in their movement ?

    Its also present in Armenia, Georgia, and Turkey. at least your case is natural but what about me how in seven hells did this lineage reach south Arabia ? maybe from Palestine, two individuals from an old study are I2c2, by the whole sample it should be 0.5% in Palestine, its also present in some Jews, so .. who knows.

    I've made a (hopefully useful) post here https://www.eupedia.com/forum/thread...l=1#post518855
    and this one https://www.eupedia.com/forum/thread...026#post524026

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    Quote Originally Posted by LerinCovek View Post
    Ok, I'm just joining this thread. I recently had a genetics test with LivingDNA and found out my YDNA was I2C (L596).

    My entire family (both maternal and paternal lines) going back several generations actually comes from the region between Florina, Greece and Bitola, Macedonia.

    My paternal line which we can trace back to my Great Great Great Great Grandfather (7 generations) was born circa 1800-1810. He was a farmer, and our surname is derived from his first name. I believe he was ethnically Macedonian-Slavic (or Western Bulgarian or Slavophone Greek - take your pick), but the village was under the Patriarch of Constantinople (effectively Greek Orthodox Churches). So I guess the region was part way through a Hellenisation process at the time. The village now falls under the territory of Greece, as of 1913.

    Does anyone have any theories of the origin/likely migration path and the population percentages of I2C (L596) around this region?
    It is interesting if you fall to the "Balkan"cluster of I2c2. It has a distinctive haplotype different than those from Caucasus and Anatolia. For now it is found among Bulgarians, Serbs, Macedonians and Kosovars, comparatively tight geographical region.
    Based on a person from Bulgaria, who took the Big Y test at FamilyTreeDNA, it is assigned its own branch I2c2 - L596->BY4177.
    I would encourage you to take the 37 YSTR test at FamilyTreeDNA, just now there is a sale, to see if you fall into that subbranch.

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    Hello guys!

    I just took a y-37 from Family Tree DNA and it shows that I'm I2c2 - Y16419 in Nevgen(possibility is %100), based on my father is from Caucasus(Meskhetian Turk), what would you say?

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    hey had the same from nevgen. then took livingdna test which confirmed i2c2-L596, so for me nevgen was correct


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    Hi, I think it is nothing surprising and possibly supporting the pro-Georgian theory on the origin of Meshketian Turkks (below).

    Re: Nevgen, I too only had STRs first and nevgen predicted i2c2. I then took livingDNA test (SNPs) and it returned I2c2-L596.
    So for me the prediction was correct. I think in your case it also makes sense, considering that we know about relatively high frequencies of i2c2 in Georgians and Armenians.

    Wikipedia - Meshketian Turks
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    The origin of the Meskhetian is still unexplored and highly controversial. But now it seems to emerge two main directions:

    1. The pro-Turkish direction: The Meskhetians were ethnic Turks, descending from Ottoman settlers, in which some Georgian were ethnic parts.[15]
    2. The pro-Georgian direction: Georgian historiography has traditionally argued that the Meskhetian Turks, who speak the Kars dialect of the Turkish language and belong to the Hanafi school of Sunni Islam, are simply TurkifiedGeorgians converted to Islam in the period between the sixteenth century and 1829 when the region of Samtskhe-Javakheti (Historical Meskheti) was under the rule of the Ottoman Empire.[16]

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    I2c2 probably comes from Unetice culture to the Caucasus in the Middle Bronze Age.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flavius View Post
    Hi, I think it is nothing surprising and possibly supporting the pro-Georgian theory on the origin of Meshketian Turkks (below).

    Re: Nevgen, I too only had STRs first and nevgen predicted i2c2. I then took livingDNA test (SNPs) and it returned I2c2-L596.
    So for me the prediction was correct. I think in your case it also makes sense, considering that we know about relatively high frequencies of i2c2 in Georgians and Armenians.

    Wikipedia - Meshketian Turks
    Origins and terms

    The origin of the Meskhetian is still unexplored and highly controversial. But now it seems to emerge two main directions:

    1. The pro-Turkish direction: The Meskhetians were ethnic Turks, descending from Ottoman settlers, in which some Georgian were ethnic parts.
    2. The pro-Georgian direction: Georgian historiography has traditionally argued that the Meskhetian Turks, who speak the Kars dialect of the Turkish language and belong to the Hanafi school of Sunni Islam, are simply Turkified Georgians converted to Islam in the period between the sixteenth century and 1829 when the region of Samtskhe-Javakheti (Historical Meskheti) was under the rule of the Ottoman Empire.
    Well, the interesting thing is, Armenian project owner Mher himself told me that, I stand far away from I2c2 Armenians in project. I also don't seem similar to Georgian DNA Project members. I have 0 matches in both 12-25-37, so I doubt my subgroup is same as our Transcaucasian neighbors.

    BTW my STRs are:

    14 24 17 11 12-13 11 13 11 13 11 29 18 8-8 12 11 24 15 19 32 11-15-15-16 11 10 19-21 15 13 17 16 34-38 12 10

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