Eupedia Forums
Site NavigationEupedia Top > Eupedia Forum & Japan Forum
Page 5 of 11 FirstFirst ... 34567 ... LastLast
Results 101 to 125 of 266

Thread: Autosomal map : European admixture (from Dodecad)

  1. #101
    Banned Achievements:
    5000 Experience PointsVeteran

    Join Date
    07-09-11
    Posts
    891
    Points
    6,887
    Level
    24
    Points: 6,887, Level: 24
    Level completed: 68%, Points required for next Level: 163
    Overall activity: 0%


    Ethnic group
    Georgian
    Country: Georgia



    Quote Originally Posted by Knovas View Post
    Actually Catalunya is quite influenced by the rest of the Peninsula, but it's something probably started to happen from 1714, when the Castilians got Barcelona and Catalunya was definetly integrated with the rest. Anyways, specially during Franco's dictature, was when more peoples from other parts of Iberia came there to live. But still can find people who's heritage is 100% Catalan, or in a very high degree.

    Also, ethnic Catalans usually have surnames of French origin, like Soler (Soiler) and similars. But I guess this is quite old, and it's perfectly known the Catalan language have several similarities with French, so I'd take this as native. In my opinion, the most ethnic Catalans you can find nowadays are in towns of the Tarragona province (not around the coast), and towns around Central Catalunya. This are regions like the Alt Camp, Conca de Barberà, Segarra (South), Anoia (South), and possibly parts of Urgell.
    Interesting information, moltes gràcies :)

  2. #102
    Regular Member Achievements:
    1000 Experience PointsVeteran

    Join Date
    22-01-11
    Posts
    127
    Points
    4,503
    Level
    19
    Points: 4,503, Level: 19
    Level completed: 64%, Points required for next Level: 147
    Overall activity: 1.0%


    Country: Italy



    1 out of 1 members found this post helpful.
    Adygei look very European and they cluster with Italians. The wrongness of this map, in my opinion, is that it considers to be "European" only the Western, the Eastern and the mediterranean admixtures. What about the Uralic, the Anatolian, the Baltic and other admixtures that are europoid as well?

  3. #103
    Regular Member Achievements:
    1000 Experience PointsVeteran

    Join Date
    22-01-11
    Posts
    127
    Points
    4,503
    Level
    19
    Points: 4,503, Level: 19
    Level completed: 64%, Points required for next Level: 147
    Overall activity: 1.0%


    Country: Italy



    1 out of 1 members found this post helpful.
    Quote Originally Posted by julia90 View Post
    Indeed i consider pure caucasian people look not so completely foreign to at least the look of italians and people from the balkans.
    I think that caucasian people are goodlooking too, and many of them seems to be very tall.
    I wouldn't distingue a caucasian for an italian if i saw him in italy, probably if he had a bit of a dissimilar look i would think he was from the balkans, but then in italy we have those looks too.
    100% agreed. Some Caucasians and some Balkanians would fit without problems in Italy.

  4. #104
    Regular Member Achievements:
    1000 Experience PointsVeteran

    Join Date
    22-01-11
    Posts
    127
    Points
    4,503
    Level
    19
    Points: 4,503, Level: 19
    Level completed: 64%, Points required for next Level: 147
    Overall activity: 1.0%


    Country: Italy



    Quote Originally Posted by Knovas View Post
    Because the Finns as I said are too Northern. The closest reference are Lituanians and Belarusians, followed by Russians according to the Doug McDonald plot. I guess it's pretty similar to yours, I don't see all populations clearly, but the vast majority.
    Not really, Finns appear isolated, as although they look nordic, genetically they are isolated from the rest of Europe. They neither speak an Indo-European language.
    Basically, from what I remember, the repopulation of Europe followed two lines: from West (Spain and Hiberia) in the paleolithic and from Anatolia during the neolitic. Both the admixture are very old and there is no reason to consider the first European and the second not.

  5. #105
    Banned Achievements:
    5000 Experience PointsVeteran

    Join Date
    07-09-11
    Posts
    891
    Points
    6,887
    Level
    24
    Points: 6,887, Level: 24
    Level completed: 68%, Points required for next Level: 163
    Overall activity: 0%


    Ethnic group
    Georgian
    Country: Georgia



    Quote Originally Posted by Sybilla View Post
    Adygei look very European and they cluster with Italians. The wrongness of this map, in my opinion, is that it considers to be "European" only the Western, the Eastern and the mediterranean admixtures. What about the Uralic, the Anatolian, the Baltic and other admixtures that are europoid as well?
    Out of curiosity, where do Adygei cluster with Italians?

  6. #106
    Regular Member Achievements:
    OverdriveThree Friends5000 Experience PointsVeteran
    Knovas's Avatar
    Join Date
    14-05-11
    Location
    Spain
    Posts
    1,444
    Points
    9,065
    Level
    28
    Points: 9,065, Level: 28
    Level completed: 53%, Points required for next Level: 285
    Overall activity: 4.0%

    Y-DNA haplogroup
    I2a1a*
    MtDNA haplogroup
    K1b1a

    Ethnic group
    Catalan
    Country: Spain - Catalonia



    Quote Originally Posted by Sybilla View Post
    Not really, Finns appear isolated, as although they look nordic, genetically they are isolated from the rest of Europe. They neither speak an Indo-European language.
    Basically, from what I remember, the repopulation of Europe followed two lines: from West (Spain and Hiberia) in the paleolithic and from Anatolia during the neolitic. Both the admixture are very old and there is no reason to consider the first European and the second not.
    The language has nothing to do here, Basques don't speak IE and they usually get the highest European on admixture. It's that simple: the Finns cluster at the top of Northern Europe sligthly deviating towards Asia (small Mongoloid influence), while the others fall totally out being Southeast Europe the closest European reference (very strong mideast), but not the usual proximity you find in neighbour populations. They are quite close and similar to Europe, but not the same.

    I consider the second people plain Caucasians or West Asians, there's no better sumary at all.

  7. #107
    Regular Member Achievements:
    1000 Experience PointsVeteran

    Join Date
    22-01-11
    Posts
    127
    Points
    4,503
    Level
    19
    Points: 4,503, Level: 19
    Level completed: 64%, Points required for next Level: 147
    Overall activity: 1.0%


    Country: Italy



    Quote Originally Posted by Knovas View Post
    The language has nothing to do here, Basques don't speak IE and they usually get the highest European on admixture. It's that simple: the Finns cluster at the top of Northern Europe sligthly deviating towards Asia (small Mongoloid influence), while the others fall totally out being Southeast Europe the closest European reference (very strong mideast), but not the usual proximity you find in neighbour populations. They are quite close and similar to Europe, but not the same.

    I consider the second people plain Caucasians or West Asians, there's no better sumary at all.
    Again, Finns appear isolated. Italians, in the maps that show the proximity also to the Balkanian populations, appear close to Greece, Romania and Yugoslavia at east, to Spain and Portugal at west and to France in the North. If we consider also the maps that show also the Middle Eastern and Caucasian peoples, Adygei are the closest to Italians.

    http://strangemaps.files.wordpress.c...pg?w=600&h=392

  8. #108
    Banned Achievements:
    5000 Experience PointsVeteran

    Join Date
    07-09-11
    Posts
    891
    Points
    6,887
    Level
    24
    Points: 6,887, Level: 24
    Level completed: 68%, Points required for next Level: 163
    Overall activity: 0%


    Ethnic group
    Georgian
    Country: Georgia



    1 out of 1 members found this post helpful.
    Sorry, Adigey and Italians are quite far away from each other autosomally speaking...

    > DodecadOracle("Adygei", k=30)
    [,1] [,2]
    [1,] "Adygei" "0"
    [2,] "Balkars_Y" "2.2782"
    [3,] "North_Ossetians_Y" "3.8923"
    [4,] "Chechens_Y" "6.5803"
    [5,] "Kumyks_Y" "11.5646"
    [6,] "Lezgins" "16.0452"
    [7,] "Georgians" "17.311"
    [8,] "Armenians" "18.245"
    [9,] "Abhkasians_Y" "19.5402"
    [10,] "Turks" "22.0068"
    [11,] "Nogais_Y" "23.3688"
    [12,] "Turkish_D" "24.1895"
    [13,] "Armenians_Y" "24.7481"
    [14,] "Armenian_D" "25.0346"
    [15,] "Kurds_Y" "29.7594"
    [16,] "Azerbaijan_Jews" "30.0895"
    [17,] "Uzbekistan_Jews" "30.9443"
    [18,] "Georgia_Jews" "31.0673"
    [19,] "Assyrian_D" "31.1609"
    [20,] "Kurd_D" "31.5734"
    [21,] "Iranian_D" "31.6223"
    [22,] "Iranian_Jews" "34.3597"
    [23,] "Cypriots" "35.3481"
    [24,] "Druze" "36.1089"
    [25,] "Iraq_Jews" "36.6274"
    [26,] "Iranians" "37.027"
    [27,] "Turkmens_Y" "37.9041"
    [28,] "Lebanese" "37.9861"
    [29,] "Greek_D" "38.0726"
    [30,] "Syrians" "40.3828"
    > DodecadOracle("C_Italian_D", k=30)
    [,1] [,2]
    [1,] "C_Italian_D" "0"
    [2,] "O_Italian_D" "4.0037"
    [3,] "Tuscan" "5.7105"
    [4,] "TSI25" "7.3722"
    [5,] "Sicilian_D" "8.0119"
    [6,] "S_Italian_Sicilian_D" "8.1456"
    [7,] "Ashkenazy_Jews" "9.1624"
    [8,] "Greek_D" "9.3226"
    [9,] "Ashkenazi_D" "10.171"
    [10,] "S_Italian_D" "10.3581"
    [11,] "N_Italian_D" "15.0413"
    [12,] "North_Italian" "15.3245"
    [13,] "Sephardic_Jews" "15.7032"
    [14,] "Morocco_Jews" "17.6627"
    [15,] "Romanians" "19.8562"
    [16,] "Bulgarians_Y" "19.9434"
    [17,] "Bulgarian_D" "20.0297"
    [18,] "Cypriots" "26.5842"
    [19,] "Portuguese_D" "27.3929"
    [20,] "Turkish_D" "27.4754"
    [21,] "Spaniards" "28.1125"
    [22,] "IBS" "28.7962"
    [23,] "Spanish_D" "29.9033"
    [24,] "Turks" "31.6785"
    [25,] "Lebanese" "31.7734"
    [26,] "French_D" "32.0284"
    [27,] "French" "32.1022"
    [28,] "Druze" "34.2462"
    [29,] "Syrians" "34.45"
    [30,] "Jordanians" "35.0924"

  9. #109
    Banned Achievements:
    5000 Experience PointsVeteran

    Join Date
    07-09-11
    Posts
    891
    Points
    6,887
    Level
    24
    Points: 6,887, Level: 24
    Level completed: 68%, Points required for next Level: 163
    Overall activity: 0%


    Ethnic group
    Georgian
    Country: Georgia



    DodecadOracle("C_Italian_D",mixedmode=T)
    [,1] [,2]
    [1,] "C_Italian_D" "0"
    [2,] "41.5% Sicilian_D + 58.5% Tuscan" "0.68"
    [3,] "47.9% Sicilian_D + 52.1% TSI25" "0.9226"
    [4,] "41.9% Ashkenazi_D + 58.1% TSI25" "1.0218"
    [5,] "41% S_Italian_Sicilian_D + 59% Tuscan" "1.0858"
    [6,] "35.7% Ashkenazi_D + 64.3% Tuscan" "1.1041"
    [7,] "65% S_Italian_Sicilian_D + 35% N_Italian_D" "1.1229"
    [8,] "59.3% S_Italian_D + 40.7% N_Italian_D" "1.1851"
    [9,] "47.4% S_Italian_Sicilian_D + 52.6% TSI25" "1.2315"
    [10,] "73.8% Tuscan + 26.2% Sephardic_Jews" "1.338"
    > DodecadOracle("Adygei",mixedmode=T)
    [,1] [,2]
    [1,] "Adygei" "0"
    [2,] "77.7% Balkars_Y + 22.3% Chechens_Y" "1.3366"
    [3,] "8.6% Lezgins + 91.4% Balkars_Y" "1.7054"
    [4,] "0.9% Brahui + 99.1% Balkars_Y" "2.1487"
    [5,] "0.9% Balochi + 99.1% Balkars_Y" "2.1512"
    [6,] "0.9% Makrani + 99.1% Balkars_Y" "2.1627"
    [7,] "0.8% Lithuanians + 99.2% Balkars_Y" "2.1918"
    [8,] "0.8% Lithuanian_D + 99.2% Balkars_Y" "2.1928"
    [9,] "1% Pathan + 99% Balkars_Y" "2.1952"
    [10,] "95.1% Balkars_Y + 4.9% Kumyks_Y" "2.201"

  10. #110
    Elite member Achievements:
    Three FriendsVeteran25000 Experience Points

    Join Date
    25-10-11
    Location
    Brittany
    Age
    70
    Posts
    4,382
    Points
    38,681
    Level
    60
    Points: 38,681, Level: 60
    Level completed: 70%, Points required for next Level: 369
    Overall activity: 7.0%

    Y-DNA haplogroup
    R1b - L21/S145*
    MtDNA haplogroup
    H3c

    Ethnic group
    more celtic
    Country: France



    Quote Originally Posted by Kardu View Post
    Interesting information, moltes gràcies :)
    neither french surnames nor french language - they are of their own, latinized people in an intermediary position between old spanish latin languages (not the castillan which presents some links with gascon, basque and other unclear substratum) and old occitan language, but nearer to south-west occitan.

  11. #111
    Banned Achievements:
    5000 Experience PointsVeteran

    Join Date
    07-09-11
    Posts
    891
    Points
    6,887
    Level
    24
    Points: 6,887, Level: 24
    Level completed: 68%, Points required for next Level: 163
    Overall activity: 0%


    Ethnic group
    Georgian
    Country: Georgia



    Quote Originally Posted by MOESAN View Post
    neither french surnames nor french language - they are of their own, latinized people in an intermediary position between old spanish latin languages (not the castillan which presents some links with gascon, basque and other unclear substratum) and old occitan language, but nearer to south-west occitan.
    Thanks, Moesan, yes, I know. Since learning languages is my hobby I even speak basic Catalan :)

  12. #112
    Regular Member Achievements:
    OverdriveThree Friends5000 Experience PointsVeteran
    Knovas's Avatar
    Join Date
    14-05-11
    Location
    Spain
    Posts
    1,444
    Points
    9,065
    Level
    28
    Points: 9,065, Level: 28
    Level completed: 53%, Points required for next Level: 285
    Overall activity: 4.0%

    Y-DNA haplogroup
    I2a1a*
    MtDNA haplogroup
    K1b1a

    Ethnic group
    Catalan
    Country: Spain - Catalonia



    Quote Originally Posted by Sybilla View Post
    Again, Finns appear isolated. Italians, in the maps that show the proximity also to the Balkanian populations, appear close to Greece, Romania and Yugoslavia at east, to Spain and Portugal at west and to France in the North. If we consider also the maps that show also the Middle Eastern and Caucasian peoples, Adygei are the closest to Italians.

    http://strangemaps.files.wordpress.c...pg?w=600&h=392
    As Kardu showed now, no significant proximity between Italians and the Adiyei. Even the Greeks are far away as I pointed above about Southeast Europe, so I'm afraid your objections are not proving the opposite.

  13. #113
    Regular Member Achievements:
    Three FriendsVeteran10000 Experience Points
    Wilhelm's Avatar
    Join Date
    02-10-09
    Location
    Spain
    Posts
    1,661
    Points
    15,281
    Level
    37
    Points: 15,281, Level: 37
    Level completed: 54%, Points required for next Level: 369
    Overall activity: 0%

    Y-DNA haplogroup
    R1b-S26
    MtDNA haplogroup
    H1

    Ethnic group
    Celtiberians
    Country: Spain - Catalonia



    Agree with guys here, there is no proximity between Adygei and Italians. The Adygei are a Caucasus population, they cluster near Georgians and Turks, not with italians.

  14. #114
    Banned Achievements:
    5000 Experience PointsVeteran

    Join Date
    07-09-11
    Posts
    891
    Points
    6,887
    Level
    24
    Points: 6,887, Level: 24
    Level completed: 68%, Points required for next Level: 163
    Overall activity: 0%


    Ethnic group
    Georgian
    Country: Georgia



    Quote Originally Posted by Wilhelm View Post
    Agree with guys here, there is no proximity between Adygei and Italians. The Adygei are a Caucasus population, they cluster near Georgians and Turks, not with italians.
    Even between Adygei and Georgians there is a significant distance, although of course they are much closer to us than to Italians :)

    [1,] "Georgians" "0"
    [2,] "Abhkasians_Y" "3.0806"
    [3,] "North_Ossetians_Y" "15.4032"
    [4,] "Balkars_Y" "17.1225"
    [5,] "Adygei" "17.311"
    [6,] "Armenians" "22.0152"
    [7,] "Chechens_Y" "22.3917"
    [8,] "Armenians_Y" "25.2067"
    [9,] "Armenian_D" "25.5484"
    [10,] "Kumyks_Y" "26.0678"

  15. #115
    Regular Member Achievements:
    1000 Experience PointsVeteran

    Join Date
    22-01-11
    Posts
    127
    Points
    4,503
    Level
    19
    Points: 4,503, Level: 19
    Level completed: 64%, Points required for next Level: 147
    Overall activity: 1.0%


    Country: Italy



    Quote Originally Posted by Kardu View Post
    Sorry, Adigey and Italians are quite far away from each other autosomally speaking...

    > DodecadOracle("Adygei", k=30)
    [,1] [,2]
    [1,] "Adygei" "0"
    [2,] "Balkars_Y" "2.2782"
    [3,] "North_Ossetians_Y" "3.8923"
    [4,] "Chechens_Y" "6.5803"
    [5,] "Kumyks_Y" "11.5646"
    [6,] "Lezgins" "16.0452"
    [7,] "Georgians" "17.311"
    [8,] "Armenians" "18.245"
    [9,] "Abhkasians_Y" "19.5402"
    [10,] "Turks" "22.0068"
    [11,] "Nogais_Y" "23.3688"
    [12,] "Turkish_D" "24.1895"
    [13,] "Armenians_Y" "24.7481"
    [14,] "Armenian_D" "25.0346"
    [15,] "Kurds_Y" "29.7594"
    [16,] "Azerbaijan_Jews" "30.0895"
    [17,] "Uzbekistan_Jews" "30.9443"
    [18,] "Georgia_Jews" "31.0673"
    [19,] "Assyrian_D" "31.1609"
    [20,] "Kurd_D" "31.5734"
    [21,] "Iranian_D" "31.6223"
    [22,] "Iranian_Jews" "34.3597"
    [23,] "Cypriots" "35.3481"
    [24,] "Druze" "36.1089"
    [25,] "Iraq_Jews" "36.6274"
    [26,] "Iranians" "37.027"
    [27,] "Turkmens_Y" "37.9041"
    [28,] "Lebanese" "37.9861"
    [29,] "Greek_D" "38.0726"
    [30,] "Syrians" "40.3828"
    > DodecadOracle("C_Italian_D", k=30)
    [,1] [,2]
    [1,] "C_Italian_D" "0"
    [2,] "O_Italian_D" "4.0037"
    [3,] "Tuscan" "5.7105"
    [4,] "TSI25" "7.3722"
    [5,] "Sicilian_D" "8.0119"
    [6,] "S_Italian_Sicilian_D" "8.1456"
    [7,] "Ashkenazy_Jews" "9.1624"
    [8,] "Greek_D" "9.3226"
    [9,] "Ashkenazi_D" "10.171"
    [10,] "S_Italian_D" "10.3581"
    [11,] "N_Italian_D" "15.0413"
    [12,] "North_Italian" "15.3245"
    [13,] "Sephardic_Jews" "15.7032"
    [14,] "Morocco_Jews" "17.6627"
    [15,] "Romanians" "19.8562"
    [16,] "Bulgarians_Y" "19.9434"
    [17,] "Bulgarian_D" "20.0297"
    [18,] "Cypriots" "26.5842"
    [19,] "Portuguese_D" "27.3929"
    [20,] "Turkish_D" "27.4754"
    [21,] "Spaniards" "28.1125"
    [22,] "IBS" "28.7962"
    [23,] "Spanish_D" "29.9033"
    [24,] "Turks" "31.6785"
    [25,] "Lebanese" "31.7734"
    [26,] "French_D" "32.0284"
    [27,] "French" "32.1022"
    [28,] "Druze" "34.2462"
    [29,] "Syrians" "34.45"
    [30,] "Jordanians" "35.0924"
    I had in mind a map that I have found once on the net, but I don't know if it is reliable and anyway I cannot find it anymore. So thank you for the info. So who are the closest populations to Italians?

  16. #116
    Banned Achievements:
    5000 Experience PointsVeteran

    Join Date
    07-09-11
    Posts
    891
    Points
    6,887
    Level
    24
    Points: 6,887, Level: 24
    Level completed: 68%, Points required for next Level: 163
    Overall activity: 0%


    Ethnic group
    Georgian
    Country: Georgia



    The closest would be Greeks

  17. #117
    Regular Member Achievements:
    OverdriveThree Friends5000 Experience PointsVeteran
    Knovas's Avatar
    Join Date
    14-05-11
    Location
    Spain
    Posts
    1,444
    Points
    9,065
    Level
    28
    Points: 9,065, Level: 28
    Level completed: 53%, Points required for next Level: 285
    Overall activity: 4.0%

    Y-DNA haplogroup
    I2a1a*
    MtDNA haplogroup
    K1b1a

    Ethnic group
    Catalan
    Country: Spain - Catalonia



    It depends on the kind of Italians. Southern Italians for sure have a genetic overlap with the Greeks, and North Italians tend to be quite close to the Iberians in a lesser degree. Tuscans, Central Italians, etc., are in the middle, just check the Dodecad Oracle and see what they get.

  18. #118
    Elite member Achievements:
    Three FriendsVeteran25000 Experience Points

    Join Date
    25-10-11
    Location
    Brittany
    Age
    70
    Posts
    4,382
    Points
    38,681
    Level
    60
    Points: 38,681, Level: 60
    Level completed: 70%, Points required for next Level: 369
    Overall activity: 7.0%

    Y-DNA haplogroup
    R1b - L21/S145*
    MtDNA haplogroup
    H3c

    Ethnic group
    more celtic
    Country: France



    Quote Originally Posted by Wilhelm View Post
    No way georgians look more european than Sardinians. To start with, georgians genetically cluster with Iranians and Turks, and also look similar to them (unless we talk about russian admixed georgians) while Sardinians cluster with Europeans and look mainly euro-mediterranean, maybe more archaic because of their strong palaeolithic ancestry.
    I understand the feeling of these people of the Caucasus or Anatolia:anthropologically speaking they are 'caucasians' and 'caucasians' is the same general meaning as evolved 'white type' - all ancestors of Western Europe came from these areas! for my point of view, the majority of the 'western asian' and even 'south-west asian' and a lot of the 'north-west Africa' are genes of 'europoids' - if you want to "castrate lice"and be logical you have to break the 'european pole genes' down and to separate 'Western Europe' and 'medridterranean' and 'Eastern Europe' poles
    it's my feeling

  19. #119
    Regular Member Achievements:
    1000 Experience PointsVeteran

    Join Date
    10-11-11
    Posts
    22
    Points
    4,963
    Level
    20
    Points: 4,963, Level: 20
    Level completed: 79%, Points required for next Level: 87
    Overall activity: 0%


    Country: Italy



    1 out of 2 members found this post helpful.
    Quote Originally Posted by julia90 View Post
    this are Sardinians, a famous band Tazenda



    LOL, southern italian less europoid than them.. another LOL, with all my respect to Sardineans.

    No Way, the map is misleading, and deliberately to exclude some people from the "pure" european race.
    It's misleading for the title given to that map, because that map assumes, that the circassians genes are "aliene to europe", which is not because that genes are present in south-eastern europe.
    LOL a typical comment from an complexed italian from mainland, that have difficult to accept that sardinians have less extraeuropean admixture than all other italians

    moreover do you consider exotic from an italian point of view those sardinian musicians? where do you think to live? in Sweden? LOL

    one of those musicians is even a south western european cromagnoid (Berid), ancient sub race spread also in Iberia, so they have more western looking than a southern italian, sardinians are pred. western mediterraneans, southern italians have high east mediterranean and armenoid component so they look much more caucasian or middle eastern.

    unfortunately i can't still post links or photos, but when i will can it, i will post some exotic mainland italians, to understand that your attempt to consider sardinians like not europid exotic aliens is ridicolous!

  20. #120
    Passione Mediterranea Achievements:
    Three FriendsVeteran25000 Experience Points
    julia90's Avatar
    Join Date
    24-09-10
    Location
    Florence-Prato
    Posts
    1,134
    Points
    40,630
    Level
    62
    Points: 40,630, Level: 62
    Level completed: 22%, Points required for next Level: 1,020
    Overall activity: 0%


    Ethnic group
    Tuscan-Italian-(European)
    Country: Italy



    1 out of 1 members found this post helpful.
    Quote Originally Posted by quaquaraqua View Post
    LOL a typical comment from an complexed italian from mainland, that have difficult to accept that sardinians have less extraeuropean admixture than all other italians

    moreover do you consider exotic from an italian point of view those sardinian musicians? where do you think to live? in Sweden? LOL

    one of those musicians is even a south western european cromagnoid (Berid), ancient sub race spread also in Iberia, so they have more western looking than a southern italian, sardinians are pred. western mediterraneans, southern italians have high east mediterranean and armenoid component so they look much more caucasian or middle eastern.

    unfortunately i can't still post links or photos, but when i will can it, i will post some exotic mainland italians, to understand that your attempt to consider sardinians like not europid exotic aliens is ridicolous!
    infact i like sardinian people (for their mentality too wich isn't southern italian exagerated, but balanced and very educated mostly when they emigrate in another region) and also for their beautiful looks wich i don't consider swarthy.
    i have even friends with sardinean origins

  21. #121
    Regular Member Achievements:
    Veteran10000 Experience Points
    Carlos's Avatar
    Join Date
    26-09-11
    Posts
    1,583
    Points
    16,916
    Level
    39
    Points: 16,916, Level: 39
    Level completed: 59%, Points required for next Level: 334
    Overall activity: 71.0%


    Ethnic group
    España
    Country: Spain



    0 out of 1 members found this post helpful.
    KnovasActually Catalunya is quite influenced by the rest of the Peninsula, but it's something probably started to happen from 1714, when the Castilians got Barcelona and Catalunya was definetly integrated with the rest. Anyways, specially during Franco's dictature, was when more peoples from other parts of Iberia came there to live. But still can find people who's heritage is 100% Catalan, or in a very high degree.

    Also, ethnic Catalans usually have surnames of French origin, like Soler (Soiler) and similars. But I guess this is quite old, and it's perfectly known the Catalan language have several similarities with French, so I'd take this as native. In my opinion, the most ethnic Catalans you can find nowadays are in towns of the Tarragona province (not around the coast), and towns around Central Catalunya. This are regions like the Alt Camp, Conca de Barberà, Segarra (South), Anoia (South), and possibly parts of Urgell.


    These questions are very outlandish, looking at this map of Europe in 1235 Catalonia simply does not exist.



  22. #122
    Regular Member Achievements:
    Tagger Second ClassVeteran5000 Experience Points

    Join Date
    16-03-12
    Posts
    33
    Points
    6,009
    Level
    22
    Points: 6,009, Level: 22
    Level completed: 92%, Points required for next Level: 41
    Overall activity: 7.0%


    Country: Brazil



    Is it serious this map?

  23. #123
    Elite member Achievements:
    Three FriendsVeteran25000 Experience Points

    Join Date
    25-10-11
    Location
    Brittany
    Age
    70
    Posts
    4,382
    Points
    38,681
    Level
    60
    Points: 38,681, Level: 60
    Level completed: 70%, Points required for next Level: 369
    Overall activity: 7.0%

    Y-DNA haplogroup
    R1b - L21/S145*
    MtDNA haplogroup
    H3c

    Ethnic group
    more celtic
    Country: France



    Quote Originally Posted by alais View Post
    Is it serious this map?
    1- surname FERRER is not more french than catalan: the occtian language is close enough to the catalan one, so FERRER is AND a french name AND a cataln name (maybe too north italian name!!!) castillan HERRERO, leonese or aragonese FERRERO
    see names as PUJOLS, CAMPS, BLANCH, MAS, TIMONER, MAYOL, CASTELLS...
    2- yes, Catalunia has been part of the "french" territories for some times, in the Middle Ages! More under the Comte of Tulouse/Tolosa than ynder the french crown, perhaps. Historians could help us there

  24. #124
    Regular Member Achievements:
    OverdriveThree Friends5000 Experience PointsVeteran
    Knovas's Avatar
    Join Date
    14-05-11
    Location
    Spain
    Posts
    1,444
    Points
    9,065
    Level
    28
    Points: 9,065, Level: 28
    Level completed: 53%, Points required for next Level: 285
    Overall activity: 4.0%

    Y-DNA haplogroup
    I2a1a*
    MtDNA haplogroup
    K1b1a

    Ethnic group
    Catalan
    Country: Spain - Catalonia



    2 out of 2 members found this post helpful.
    Quote Originally Posted by Carlos View Post
    These questions are very outlandish, looking at this map of Europe in 1235 Catalonia simply does not exist.
    ¿Since when this has something to do with the fact that Catalan speakers exist in the same territories since a very long time? The blindness derived from your anti-Catalan agenda does not allow you to get the main idea. Please, stop mixing up things, there's no room here for nationalistic crusades.

  25. #125
    Regular Member Achievements:
    Tagger Second ClassVeteran5000 Experience Points

    Join Date
    16-03-12
    Posts
    33
    Points
    6,009
    Level
    22
    Points: 6,009, Level: 22
    Level completed: 92%, Points required for next Level: 41
    Overall activity: 7.0%


    Country: Brazil



    I was asking about first map.

    Ferrero is an Italian surname too. Nutella.

Page 5 of 11 FirstFirst ... 34567 ... LastLast

Similar Threads

  1. Replies: 134
    Last Post: 22-07-18, 23:08
  2. Replies: 187
    Last Post: 08-07-16, 23:31
  3. Replies: 21
    Last Post: 06-09-13, 18:31
  4. Replies: 22
    Last Post: 20-08-13, 20:23
  5. Replies: 54
    Last Post: 21-09-11, 19:29

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •