The movement of Ignidants all over the world,

[Yetos]

Seems like that movement is taking bones and flesh, yet it is in embryo age and tries to make clear its believes,

the movement spread all over the world, and it might take a 3rd pole among Left and Rights, or Republicans and Democrats,

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the photo is in Boston USA were the movement has name occupy wallstreet,
http://occupywallst.org/states

the common of all thse people until today is the Banking system,


1rst of All?
why a state that makes and makes money and have a MINT is forced to take Loans from privateers and Bankers?
have you ever thought why?

2nd
Why in cases like Greece and Proton Bank and other areas, people that pay taxes , even people who live bellow the limit of poverty have to pay taxes to save Banks?
have you ever thought why?

3rd
in the theory of moving Capitals of Chigaco,
Why a Banker has the right to move the capitals to another country and not the people,
Have you ever thought why?

4rth
why a poor Slovakian who lives in Mountains has to pay to save a Greek corrupted Banker?

5th?
why the politicians rulling class saves the Banks and do nothing to Help the People?

etc?

Gentleman your thoughts

[Mzungu mchagga]

[LeBrok]

Sweet, it's very educational, hehe. Great find.

[Yetos]

Thomson Reuters ASSET4

the money that take a chief advisor of a corporation is 142/1 the salary of a worker
in Britain 69/1
Sweden 34/1

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

today the target of protesters was JPMORGAN CHASE and Jame Diamon,

[Yetos]

And the story continous in Eu neighbor and 1 of the biggest powers in near east Turkey



http://webtv.hurriyet.com.tr/2/23033...i-saldiri.aspx

this time guest star IMF Μark Lewis


seems the future is with out Banks and private money Bullies and with out IMF,

remember that IMF always went after the debth, but now starts to go before the Depth, why?
maybe I am wondering to protect the Banks?


at a Greek govermental web page was found that

[Cimmerianbloke]

The "indignated" are basically people who want to show their leaders they are angry and strongly disagree with the decisions the government has taken. Often because these "indignated" did not put these leaders into power. Actually, a strong percentage of "indignated" did not even bother to vote, or vote only occasionally. These people are only reaping the fruit of what they've seeded years ago, namely not bothering voting or voting as clients for certain parties or voting for a party not as a choice but to penalize the party in power at that time. Politics is about making a choice and bearing its consequences. IMO, revolutionaries have more balls than these "indignated" citizens. For those against violence, however, nothing stops them voting with their feet...
As for bankers, bailouts and government failure to fix the crisis, I see it as a proof as to where the real power lies...

[Yetos]

According Reuters in the next 3-6 months all Bank of Europe must checked and recheck their stock and founds,

EBA European Banking Authority estimates that they are gonna need about 260 000 000 000 Billion E in the next year, either the Core Tier 1 drops

can someone imagine how much tax payers will pay to save Bankers?

As for bankers, bailouts and government failure to fix the crisis, I see it as a proof as to where the real power lies...

Goverments have MINT and Central Bank-treasury

but all parliament people need private Bankers to do their 'dirty works' due to Banking privacy

Have you ever thought when I have the Mint and the Central Bank-treasury I borrow from a private that sometimes is not even economically Healthy?

After he situation in Greece they found 20 000 000 000 E that belong to some and are connected with parties politician etc and 'cover the case'
they found 360 offshore non tax pay corporations that existed for more than 15 years some,
But they all had Banking accounts,
Banking privacy helps dirty politicians to do their dirty works.
majority of countries-states owns to some privateers? why?
even US the big one take loans, why? is Fort-Knox empty?

instead of deposit Money being the power of Banks, seems like we will have to pay taxes to save the bubble money, seems like the deposit money are not enough to do dirty works, some needs more,

I just wonder why I have to pay tax for a Bank when I already deposit money and they Handle them? so instead of taking earn and rates I will have to pay for money deposit???
they use my money, they are powerful and now people have to pay them extra? why?

[Antigone]

The "indignated" are basically people who want to show their leaders they are angry and strongly disagree with the decisions the government has taken. Often because these "indignated" did not put these leaders into power. Actually, a strong percentage of "indignated" did not even bother to vote, or vote only occasionally. These people are only reaping the fruit of what they've seeded years ago, namely not bothering voting or voting as clients for certain parties or voting for a party not as a choice but to penalize the party in power at that time. Politics is about making a choice and bearing its consequences. IMO, revolutionaries have more balls than these "indignated" citizens. For those against violence, however, nothing stops them voting with their feet...
As for bankers, bailouts and government failure to fix the crisis, I see it as a proof as to where the real power lies...

People not voting is not a problem in Greece, the right to vote is taken very seriously by all with something like 97% of the population turning out on poll days. An election weekend is always made a long weekend (4 days) also to make it easy for people to travel home to electurates to ensure that they do vote.

In this case, it can be said that the indignants are partly responsible for the government's corruption because they elected them in the first place. Which is true to an extent, but people can only ever vote on promises and then entrust those elected to do the correct thing in return. Which consecutive governments here have not, in fact, they have gone to great lengths to cover up some fairly dirty dealings instead. So people are indignant partly because they have been betrayed, democracy is not an infallable system after all.

I totally agree with your last sentence.

[Yetos]

to give some numbers Greece has reached 38% unemployment,
the 46 of the above are educated more than Bachelor degree

yet instead of create jobs and push productivity, goverments save Banks,

the new plan is ready, foreign business man are coming to buy land to put sun collectors for electric power, and create no jobs of work,

this must stop all over the world,

SAVE PEOPLE, NOT BANKS,

GOVERMENTS ELECTED BY PEOPLE, THAT WORK WITH PEOPLE, FOR THE BETTER DAYS OF PEOPLE,

INSTEAD OF GOVERMENTS ELECTED BY MEDIA, WORK ALONE, FOR THE SHAKE OF BANKERS (AND THEIR OWN PROFIT)

[LeBrok]

to give some numbers Greece has reached 38% unemployment,
the 46 of the above are educated more than Bachelor degree

So, what is stopping these brilliant young people from setting up businesses and employing people? That's your only way out off this mess.

yet instead of create jobs and push productivity, goverments save Banks,

That's your downfall, bud. Your government created too many jobs already. These jobs are not productive, and government had to borrow too much money to support these jobs. Do you want more of this?!

[Mzungu mchagga]

So, what is stopping these brilliant young people from setting up businesses and employing people? That's your only way out off this mess.

Uhm...


http://www.eupedia.com/forum/showthr...r-genetic-pool

[Yetos]

So, what is stopping these brilliant young people from setting up businesses and employing people? That's your only way out off this mess.



That's your downfall, bud. Your government created too many jobs already. These jobs are not productive, and government had to borrow too much money to support these jobs. Do you want more of this?!

The banks do, and goverments,

even to pay taxes I must use a check that I deposit money to Banks so each Bank earns more,

and since you say and you refer them,
It is more bigger the problem, example

instead of spreading money to refresh the net cables with the fibers,
2 Big corporations,
1 was also in stock, then the manager ruined the comapny to create another,
the other was from the other party,

only 2 corporations, which run the time more than 2 years, over the expiry date, yet no fine to them,
which also belong to the mobile corporations, and set illegal antennas,

Both left 60% of workers unpaid,
Yet the project was over cost according the EU which compare the prices with other countries,

and they both create with promotion of same Banks, new corporations with the old mangers, took before 1 month a new project, which is again over cost, not the old workers which they own them money, but although they declare Bankrupt with old corporation, they still manage to take loan from same Banks,

in case you want names I can give but not in public
I don't want to advertise them,

the case is simple,

Banks put goverments to overtax people,
Goverments support Banks with peoples taxes,

So Banks do not want my 2 000 $ bank deposit,
since they take free and with no rate my 500 $ taxes,


and to make more simple,

JP MORGAN CHASE GAVE LOANS TO US GOVERMENT WITH RATE

US GOVERMENT SUPPORT JP MORGAN CHASE WITH OUT RATIO WHY?

EU GOVERMENTS ARE ABOUT TO GIVE 860 BILLION E TO BANKS
WHY THEY DO NOT ASK SAME RATIO THAT THESE BANKS WHEN THEY LOAN GOVERMENTS????


the case is a set up case

privateers gave loans with rate to goverments,
privateers make money and gave 'gifts' to politician,

People realize that and drow their deposits,

now politicians give 'gifts' to Banks without ratio,
why?

make your thoughts and get your resut

why for example in Greece goverments took money from banks and in 2008 they gave money to banks but not as a loan? with out rate?

why in 2011 unemployment people will pay million of E to save a corrupted bank like Proton, and all these without rate?

JUST ASK YOUR SELF WHO IS THE jork?

The BANK THE GIVES MONEY WITH RATE
OR SOMEONE WHO PAYS TAXES, GIVES MONEY TO A BANK WITHOUT RATE?

like all west goverments do.

just consider what Aristophanes or shakespeare could write about our times,

whatever, ancient greeks used a moto,

Χαλεπον αρχεσθαι υπο χρειονος

meaning : It is humiliating to be ruled by cheap-bad-worst (greed) people.

seems like modern goverments are full of Bank lackeys
who can not say YES WE WILL SUPPORT BANKS BUT WITH RATE AS THEY DO
but say, Yes we will put more taxes, and cut working places, in order to save Banks,

How pittifull

besides how sure we are the ex minister of greece in 1998 took a loan from Goldman sachs in order to achieve Eurozone, and not to help the profit of Goldman sachs?
may I remind that the above loan was hidden for 8 yeras from Greek parliament,

and I repeat,
I have the MINT, I have the TREASURY,
why I have to take loans from a privateer banker?
and why I have to support him with no rate Loans

[Cimmerianbloke]

My 2 cents; the blame lies on the population at least as much as on the government. The one way out is a general strike, a default and put pressure on the EU, I mean Nicolas and Angela to restructure the debt into something bearable. New elections, and a RIGHT-wing government. Maybe then, the country would have a chance to get back to normal in, let's say, 50 years. In case it doesn't work, there's Bono...

[LeBrok]

Uhm...


http://www.eupedia.com/forum/showthr...r-genetic-pool

I believe I didn't ask myself about my opinion. :)

[Yetos]

My 2 cents; the blame lies on the population at least as much as on the government. The one way out is a general strike, a default and put pressure on the EU, I mean Nicolas and Angela to restructure the debt into something bearable. New elections, and a RIGHT-wing government. Maybe then, the country would have a chance to get back to normal in, let's say, 50 years. In case it doesn't work, there's Bono...

that is the point,
we do not eat the bate, we see the hook

I believe you also see it,

Left and right or capitalism and communism or rebublick vs democrats is the same,

a division work, that we believe we find solution, and the other part will bring justiness good times etc

Indignados, don't eat that bate, cause they see the hook

they know that who ever comes the status will be the same,
the only solution is to bring real democracy, justice and truth, transparency, etc

the problem is the old term FREE WORLD, TODAY IS IN CHAINS, OF BANKERS,
even goverments wears the chains,

the things you see or say is that, another person less trouble, change of faces calms people,
well that is also the believe of bankers, and their media,

but the truth is that it is nothing more than διαιρειν και βασιλευειν (divide and conquer)
so this not the solution cause problem still remains,

Solution is how to build the world in 21 century so to have more real democracy, less crime, and less corruption,
Globalization of Bankers, industry and commerce,
Multi national corporations stronger than countries,
then globalization of crisis, globalization of unfair, globalization of troubles,
Multi-national resist people organizations,

[LeBrok]

they know that who ever comes the status will be the same,
the only solution is to bring real democracy, justice and truth, transparency, etc

What is "real democracy"? How do you implement it? For now I hear many noble words about beautiful future, and no plan how to get there. Give me step by step how to get there.

Multi national corporations stronger than countries,

Few examples of corporations running countries would be great to prove your point.

globalization of crisis, globalization of unfair, globalization of troubles,

There is not much globalization in Africa, but did you see chronic crises, unfair and troubles there?
I'm pretty sure you would pick crises in Greece every day than to live in most prosperous country in Africa.

Multi-national resist people organizations,

Can you be more cryptic than this?

Indignados, don't eat that bate, cause they see the hook

The hook is to pull you out off the swamp into clean water...

[LeBrok]

JP MORGAN CHASE GAVE LOANS TO US GOVERMENT WITH RATE

US GOVERMENT SUPPORT JP MORGAN CHASE WITH OUT RATIO WHY?

EU GOVERMENTS ARE ABOUT TO GIVE 860 BILLION E TO BANKS
WHY THEY DO NOT ASK SAME RATIO THAT THESE BANKS WHEN THEY LOAN GOVERMENTS????

JPMorgan said it had returned $25 billion, with interest, to the government — money that the bank’s chief executive, Jamie Dimon, has said it never needed in the first place. ...
...Taxpayers received dividends on their investment in these banks. In the case of JPMorgan, the total dividends amounted to about $795 million, JPMorgan said Wednesday. Goldman said it paid a one-time dividend of $425 million on its preferred stock.

http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2009/06/...xits-continue/

Is this the "Rate, Ratio" you're talking about?

[LeBrok]

besides how sure we are the ex minister of greece in 1998 took a loan from Goldman sachs in order to achieve Eurozone, and not to help the profit of Goldman sachs?
may I remind that the above loan was hidden for 8 yeras from Greek parliament,

The inner working of government should be transparent and audited by independent institutions regularly, possibly by two different institutions.

I have the MINT, I have the TREASURY,
why I have to take loans from a privateer banker?
and why I have to support him with no rate Loans

It was tried by communist countries of eastern block. It didn't work!

[Yetos]

The inner working of government should be transparent and audited by independent institutions regularly, possibly by two different institutions.



It was tried by communist countries of eastern block. It didn't work!

from the first answer I see that you are near the movement,
the more you think and informed the more you will like it,

to the second part let me remind you the ideologigal argues of Kropotkin with rest, and that banks enter behind Iron curtain after 1960, I think Chruchev's time,
remember that ex-communist status was a dictatorship,
ideological was a dictatorship of working class,
the truth is that it was a dictatorship of by a nomen-class the party,
if you believe that communists were democratic then you sure are wrong,
the later documents show a lot of behind scenes acts and works,
ex-communism was nothing else than libya or Syria etc,

Stalin in order to survive he invented fake traitors he slain many, or send them in gullang

modern capitalism in order to save banks, it kills people,
Bankers want you to be like china, to work all day and for reward they will give you a cup of rice and a plastic pair of boots.
behind the eonomical 'wonder' of china do you know how people live in areas forbiden to go ?

and a question,
Do you believe that is was Banks and stocks that knock out communism?

[Yetos]

semms like the thread is dialogue among me and Le Brok,

the bellow is re-translation from a greek post translated by an English one,

it is by a guy named Slavoi Zizek (excuse spelling it is translated the name)

''Communism is a system that collapse in 80-90, but communists still hhave power and control, in most of their countries
But the paradox is that the most success Capitalism is at communistic China,''

I am sure that no one can't deny this,

remember debate and discuss helps people to be informed and opens minds,

διαλεκτικη μητηρ παιδαγωγησεως
mother of education is discuss,

[Cimmerianbloke]

You're not completely wrong, Yetos, but you have to be fair. China plays the capitalist card abroad, but it is not a democracy, and it is still a dictature at home. We can say, with a hint of irony, that the Chinese government has "the best of both worlds". I can imagine what would happen in Pekin if workers don't show up for work and organize a sit-in instead. I am old enough to remember Tien-An-Men...

[Yetos]

yes lets coplete the word,
how may capitalistic corporations, and how many bankers send money there,

besides, do you know if some ecological international laws exist there?
the 2 post poluted cities in the world are in ex USSR where the old status in order to create cheap cost did not care,
so from the tires of trucks huge areas are polluted by Pb from the mines,


so in order Capitalism to get more profir the theory say
drop cost and sell high,
I think there can be no problem in a hard communistic status that is governed by a dictatorship of a party,
so the crisis, could it be because some capitals get a marriage with some communistic dictators?

the most exellent example is before few days when some from Forbes list enter the communist party,
someone with 7 billion property if I am correct,

so the expirement have succed,
the old system that kick down European communism, in theory the Banking system
today is collapsing the west,
in future if that system survives, in my opinion people will work all day, and will say thank you master if they are granded with a cup of rice or a piece of bread,

we must find a new system, away from banking system,

remember presidents are elected, Bankers not

we must stop moving in the linear right or left, cause capitalism got unite with communism,
that means either a Global goverment, and a global system under the Bankers-rulling parties,
either a new exit, a new pole of turning,
we must pass to 2 dimensions, instead of the old linear,

I also remember the Tien an men.

the crisis is because Bankers, in order to earn more they want to drop the cost of production,
and the most easy way, is to create a crisis of unemployment, and then hire with half pay,
and overpass laws about pollution,

[LeBrok]

the crisis is because Bankers, in order to earn more they want to drop the cost of production,
and the most easy way, is to create a crisis of unemployment,

This is false. If this was true, the biggest banks would exist in Africa. Poor and unemployed people are not good for economy. The biggest money businesses and banks made during economic boom. Check the statistics.
Banks lend you money, to help you grow your business. For this you agree to pay it back with interest. It is in bank interest that your business is successful. If you are not successful and go bankrupt, then banks don't make money, they actually lose money with bad business.
Banks also lend money to individuals. Why would banks wanted you to get fired from work? If you lose your job you won’t be able to pay back your loans and banks lose money on it. It doesn't make sense.
Actually cost of production is rising in China. This is a normal way when country gets developed.

Capitalism is not about to die. Capitalism is at least 300 years old. It wasn't formulated and invented by a scientist or politician way back. It happened naturally and gradually thanks to new technologies, machines, engines, faster production of goods, and grew slowly from humble beginning of first manufacturing in GB. Later it evolved through couple of hundreds of years, in what we call free market capitalism. It started benefiting nations so much that it killed feudalism with its strong backbone of hereditary rights. It showed socialism how socialism was unproductive, backward and unsustainable. In result, socialism was abandoned around the world. In comparison socialism was invented by philosophers and politicians, experimented against will of majorities, and eventually failed.
Capitalism is an evolutionary system that adapted itself to human nature. That's why it works, and the other production systems failed.
What we don't like most about capitalism is that capitalism has phases. Phase of growth known as economic boom, and phase of downturn that we call economic crises. These two phases are actually what make capitalism work. Economic crisis is the most important one for its success. Crisis weeds out bad and unproductive businesses. Businesses that survive are the once that were good and prosperous. Eventually it rewards every person in the country, businesses as well as people. One might compare capitalism to nature and natural selection, survival of the fittest. That’s why it worked 200 years ago and it works now.
So, we have another recession. Nothing new, it’s just a little different than other recessions, but they all differ somewhat. We’ll fix finances, slap few improved regulations, and life goes on…capitalism all the way.
Who will hate it, and tries their own economical model, will fail sooner or later and come back to the best economic system we have so far.
So what that it is not perfect, so are we, people. At least capitalism has ability to adapt quickly to changing environments and capricious human nature.

[Yetos]

This is false. If this was true, the biggest banks would exist in Africa. Poor and unemployed people are not good for economy. The biggest money businesses and banks made during economic boom. Check the statistics.
Banks lend you money, to help you grow your business. For this you agree to pay it back with interest. It is in bank interest that your business is successful. If you are not successful and go bankrupt, then banks don't make money, they actually lose money with bad business.
Banks also lend money to individuals. Why would banks wanted you to get fired from work? If you lose your job you won’t be able to pay back your loans and banks lose money on it. It doesn't make sense.
Actually cost of production is rising in China. This is a normal way when country gets developed.

Capitalism is not about to die. Capitalism is at least 300 years old. It wasn't formulated and invented by a scientist or politician way back. It happened naturally and gradually thanks to new technologies, machines, engines, faster production of goods, and grew slowly from humble beginning of first manufacturing in GB. Later it evolved through couple of hundreds of years, in what we call free market capitalism. It started benefiting nations so much that it killed feudalism with its strong backbone of hereditary rights. It showed socialism how socialism was unproductive, backward and unsustainable. In result, socialism was abandoned around the world. In comparison socialism was invented by philosophers and politicians, experimented against will of majorities, and eventually failed.
Capitalism is an evolutionary system that adapted itself to human nature. That's why it works, and the other production systems failed.
What we don't like most about capitalism is that capitalism has phases. Phase of growth known as economic boom, and phase of downturn that we call economic crises. These two phases are actually what make capitalism work. Economic crisis is the most important one for its success. Crisis weeds out bad and unproductive businesses. Businesses that survive are the once that were good and prosperous. Eventually it rewards every person in the country, businesses as well as people. One might compare capitalism to nature and natural selection, survival of the fittest. That’s why it worked 200 years ago and it works now.
So, we have another recession. Nothing new, it’s just a little different than other recessions, but they all differ somewhat. We’ll fix finances, slap few improved regulations, and life goes on…capitalism all the way.
Who will hate it, and tries their own economical model, will fail sooner or later and come back to the best economic system we have so far.
So what that it is not perfect, so are we, people. At least capitalism has ability to adapt quickly to changing environments and capricious human nature.

hmmm interesting view,

lets take one by one,

if banks earn so much at the crisis time? then why both US and EU agree to support banks?
why they both raise taxes to give money to banks?

2nd

Capitalism is the philological word of a well studied method of economy based on the co-existance of treasury and private treasuries,
behind modern capitalism are many philoshophers, among them my favorite Adam Smith,
so capitalism is also a well studied model and not a peoples model,
the problem of Capitalism is that market can not be handle, is merchant, it can not control merchant, or monopolize it,
also the late 40 years economologist who invented money from nothing creating bubbles
besides the modern marriage of Capitalism with communism might show the future of Free world, turning all the planet into china model, but instead of communist party to have Bankers party,

so the best for capitalism in Europe was not the last 100 years but the times of James Watt and the after 50 years,
that means with out the Caynes theory, uppon which Europe was build 1945-1990 the time Ussr collapse,
so with out the Caynes theory Capitalism will bring us back to early industrial ages when people left villages to go to work to the dirty polluted cities of england which were blak by the ashes of coal, leaving 1 full family in 1 room,
what is the difference of capitalism conditions with the communistic conditions, since maybe you lived in an ex-east block country?

if leave bankers free, soon bad forms of coal will run our machines, like lignite,
no filter in the chimneys to collect flying dust, no pollution and green future,
remember that chernobill heavy rain that drop in south balkans raise the lemphmas by 400 in N greece Albania Fyrom and south Serbia.
who will stop bankers if tomorow they say it costs to have electric lets return to coal?
just ask your shelf why some breathing diseases drop after the drop of usage of coal,

I am not against Capitalism, But I agree with Caynes,
The state must the referee among people and Capitals, among workers and employees, among merchants and bankers,

so creation of a 3rd pole is a must before we return human conditions to 1700,
before we have a new early industrial era,
before we run to the point to sell our kidneys to live our child,
or to live with phymatiosis,

Now about communist and its theories,
Just remember the ancient Greek word Koinon = Bank
Κοινον Αθηναιων = Treasury of Athens,
All ancient cities-states had a private and a common wealth,
and there are many cases of common wealth,
I am not a communist, but every connection of κοινοκτημοσυνη (common property) with the Dictatorship of ex USSR is just a myth,

I still like the old Caynes Theory upon which Europe was build,
but today the need to create another pole to ballance the capitalist-Communist alliance is a must,
either we are doomed to return in 1700 conditions


ABOUT STATISTICS,
they are numbers, check how was Human societies before Watt and few years after Watt,
Besides my personal believe is that as a Green thought is created and helped clean the cities and prove our living conditions, same way an Anti-Banking thought must be created,
before we become all food of Bankers,

I do not want the dillema to sell my kidney or to send my daughter to ....
Let a famous Banker like G Sorros to have it,

and there many ways,

1 is that 80% of Greeks and 40% of Europeans did
redraw deposits,
2 stop giving gifts to Banks payed by tax payers,

The bubble money must boom and toxins must moved away from our economies and our lives,
by supporting Banks these days we only support the gang-green to enter more our society's body.




well if you see it you might say it is in Greece,
Yet is in the Heart of EU, Belgium and Dexia
the girl is working for the Dexia,

Such methods, I really wonder do we live in EU or in ex USSR
as you see the methods of modern capitalism are the same of ex-communism
same conditions,
at least in EU is a kick in face,
in ex USSR will be a exile to build a city in Siberia, and in China a shot in head as traitor of party,
the resume is one,
DO NOT PROTEST.
we control the goverments and the police

the carrot times are over,
donkey must whip rider before he did,
or the rider must get off donkey and either pull it, either find for new carrots
choose your act and pick your choices, but not


these are the best workers in the world,



Bankers want to be like one of them.
a cheap lean working machine, brained washed, to get more profit,
you do not need to live, a cup of rice, an aspirin,
you do not have the need for truth, Party or Banker knows it,

[ElHorsto]

This is false. If this was true, the biggest banks would exist in Africa. Poor and unemployed people are not good for economy. The biggest money businesses and banks made during economic boom. Check the statistics.

Hi LeBrok!
I agree, people just being poor does not help. But the process of making them poor yields short-term profit. During a boom phase, the majority is earning wealth, because markets grow, new markets emerge, new products are being invented, credit is expanding etc. A crisis already occurs if the growth just approaches zero, e.g. when growth resources mentioned are increasingly exhausted. But the debt interests still need to be earned from and payed back to somewhere. So what if profit can not be maintained further just by growth? Costs must be reduced in order to survive in the short-term. Lets hope that yet new markets can be conquered (hopefully not by war), or great innovations are further discovered.