Eupedia Forums
Site NavigationEupedia Top > Eupedia Forum & Japan Forum

View Poll Results: Do you think France & Germany can solve the Eurozone crisis?

Voters
24. You may not vote on this poll
  • Yes

    8 33.33%
  • No

    16 66.67%
Page 2 of 3 FirstFirst 123 LastLast
Results 26 to 50 of 61

Thread: Do you think France & Germany can solve the Eurozone crisis?

  1. #26
    Passione Mediterranea Achievements:
    Three FriendsVeteran25000 Experience Points
    julia90's Avatar
    Join Date
    24-09-10
    Location
    Florence-Prato
    Posts
    1,134
    Points
    40,630
    Level
    62
    Points: 40,630, Level: 62
    Level completed: 22%, Points required for next Level: 1,020
    Overall activity: 0%


    Ethnic group
    Tuscan-Italian-(European)
    Country: Italy





    I think no one has the magic wand to resolve this situation.. certainly the axe France-Germany have failed to save Greece, economists think that with few europen funds given at the eraly signal of greek crisis could have saved greeks.. now the situation there is dramatic.. and i think we should expect soon a migration wave of greeks in other european countries.. if they don't migrate elsewhere like usa or australia.

    greeks have their responsibilities, but germany and france could have saved the situation

    ....solidarity with Greek people...

  2. #27
    Passione Mediterranea Achievements:
    Three FriendsVeteran25000 Experience Points
    julia90's Avatar
    Join Date
    24-09-10
    Location
    Florence-Prato
    Posts
    1,134
    Points
    40,630
    Level
    62
    Points: 40,630, Level: 62
    Level completed: 22%, Points required for next Level: 1,020
    Overall activity: 0%


    Ethnic group
    Tuscan-Italian-(European)
    Country: Italy



    1 members found this post helpful.
    Quote Originally Posted by edao View Post
    Italians enabled Berlusconi to turn Italy into a joke, it took the international investment community to force him out, if I was Italian I wouldn't be angry with the politicians but the society that allowed him to prosper.
    It's the contrary.. it's the italian "Magistratura", that abused his power, and created a clima of persecution.. .
    We should thank Magistratura, that stopped the government reforms, attacking continously a person, and don't making him work for the government.. you don't have the idea of how many billions the italian state spended for the magistratura attacks on berlusconi...this were billions throwed off for no use let alone that of unjustified personal persecution.

    And also Magistratura is lined up in the part of the italian left, working in favour of leftists parties.. a so undemocratic exercise of power..

    and berlusconi wasn't a Tirant.. he was legitemately voted by the majority .

    You are Scottish.. i thoght Scottish people were Liberals and democratic... not for the oligarchy of Magistratura, bureocracy, etc etc..


    I can explain you better the clima that was created in italy:
    the leftists always told to journals berlusconi was uncapable, and that he had to resign himselves, because with him italy would collapse..

    than an example: if a person goes out and start tso say that his wife is a ***** continuosly to everybody (and that thing is completely false), than everybody at the end would start to think his wife is a ***** even if at the beginning they didn't think so...
    The same situation is in italy, leftists journals continued to tell negative things about our governement, instead of promoting it, because it was runned by berlusconi.., the truth is that our financial situation isn't bad than that of most euro countries including france... the difference is that french politicians aren't selfdestruptive...
    the market plungers start to belive italian situation is very bad because all of the leftists journals selfdestruption.. so they dond't confide in italy

  3. #28
    Elite member Achievements:
    1000 Experience Points1 year registered
    Cimmerianbloke's Avatar
    Join Date
    08-06-11
    Location
    Berlin, Germany
    Posts
    332
    Points
    4,156
    Level
    18
    Points: 4,156, Level: 18
    Level completed: 77%, Points required for next Level: 94
    Overall activity: 8.0%


    Ethnic group
    Latin-Germanic
    Country: Germany - Berlin



    Julia, the Italian left was always after Berlusconi, but he was not guilty enough, or maybe too clever to get caught. The guy owns half of the country and behaved like Mel Brooks' Louis XVI in History of the World (It's good to be the king...). He surely was a European (as well as a national) embarassment, but he could barely have been suspected of getting money off the taxpayer to line his own pockets, like, well, everywhere else.
    Everyone who knows a little about politics knows that the italian left is the worst in Europe, Prodi is a far worse leader than Berlusconi ever was. The problem with Berlusconi was that he did not bow to the bankers nor Merkozy (he's richer than them...), and he had to go to let somebody more flexible to take the calls from Berl.., sorry, Brussels.
    On your previous remark, concerning how Greece could have been salvaged, I have doubts. First because the bankers want their money back, and the bailouts were only given out with certain conditions (that we might discover in a few years). Secondly, 2012 is a very important year in Europe, elections are taking place in France, and Sarkozy does not want to upset the French any further, his campaign is at stake. Just as in 40, nobody wanted a war over the Sudetenland, no one will commit political suicide over Greece. Merkel's party already has a very bad record in local elections for the last 18 months, getting the Germans to make more efforts to keep Greece afloat would trigger a revolution. Now, as a solidarity gesture, you're welcome to send half your wages check to Athens, but I surely won't join you.

  4. #29
    Elite member Achievements:
    1000 Experience Points1 year registered
    Cimmerianbloke's Avatar
    Join Date
    08-06-11
    Location
    Berlin, Germany
    Posts
    332
    Points
    4,156
    Level
    18
    Points: 4,156, Level: 18
    Level completed: 77%, Points required for next Level: 94
    Overall activity: 8.0%


    Ethnic group
    Latin-Germanic
    Country: Germany - Berlin



    Quote Originally Posted by edao View Post
    You only have to look at the GDP per capita figures to see that what happened to Argentina would be catastrophic to Greece.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_%28PPP%29_per_capita


    If they want to be inline with countries like Lebanon, Botswana, Gabon, that's what's waiting for them by leaving the Euro.

    Greece need to stick to the austerity measures and implement the agreement of 50% write down of their debt and then about 2015 after growth has returned to the Eurozone have a further hair-cut afforded by the other EU countries and banks who will then be in a position to afford it, finally putting Greece in a debt to gdp ration in line with growth.

    Any exit from the Euro would be more painful and would leave them in stagnation for a decade. The IMF would be their only support and for that money they would only be faced with harsher terms, Greeks would probably be looking to 2020 before a return to normality.

    Biggest problem we all face is a lack of growth, in truth if there is magic bullet to this it's growth. As everyone can see we are forced into austerity across the board through necessity but no one has any idea how we create support for the private sector, most governments seem to just be in hope that human endeavour will win through in the end before financial collapse does.

    The occupy movement is completely pointless they have no message they know something is wrong with the current system but don't understand it enough to offer a solution. So all they do is protest shouting fix the problem! The politicians don't listen because they know these people haven't got a clue what they are talking about, for the protests to be relevant they need a clear message or proposal. We want the Tobin Tax enforced now and just hammer home that message across the world, governments would soon take action just sitting about in tents moaning about banks just shows them to be idiots who are unemployed for a reason, go read a news paper!
    There are solutions for Greece. First of all, it is a member of the Union, even though that doesn't help right now. On top of that, as a NATO member and having a strategic position on the continent, Greece can pull strings to get more clout from America.
    My most important remark would be that if Greece would get out of the EU, it could save Spain and a relapse in Ireland, as well as Portugal. The whole of the EU would be relieved and would probably try to limitate the damage. A situation like in Argentina in 2001 is unlikely, even though the living standards would dramatically drop. Now the clever bit: if Greece can get some distance from the EU, it could change existing laws or create new ones to become a fiscal paradise and dump taxes that makes tourism not so attractive. I am thinking about alcool and tobacco, that would attract a substantial amount of tourist all year long into existing infrastructures. Dumping fuel taxes might bring some airlines to consider having a permanent base in Greece to benefit from low taxes on kerosene. There are hundreds of micro-solutions that would help Greece getting back on her feet, but the very tight EU legislation makes it impossible to assess.
    As a preventive measure, I think the EU should consider keeping a Eurozone with strong economies in charge and the other, weaker and smaller economies as satellites. Having several strong countries leading a cooperational league might be not fair from an equity point of view but it is surely better than sitting at a roulette table with the bank gone bust...

  5. #30
    Elite member Achievements:
    1000 Experience PointsVeteran
    Antigone's Avatar
    Join Date
    04-02-11
    Posts
    449
    Points
    4,435
    Level
    19
    Points: 4,435, Level: 19
    Level completed: 47%, Points required for next Level: 215
    Overall activity: 0%


    Country: Greece



    Quote Originally Posted by julia90 View Post
    I think no one has the magic wand to resolve this situation.. certainly the axe France-Germany have failed to save Greece, economists think that with few europen funds given at the eraly signal of greek crisis could have saved greeks.. now the situation there is dramatic.. and i think we should expect soon a migration wave of greeks in other european countries.. if they don't migrate elsewhere like usa or australia.

    greeks have their responsibilities, but germany and france could have saved the situation

    ....solidarity with Greek people...
    The migration wave of those leaving Greece began sometime ago, particularly amongst the university graduates who can't find positions. Australia have been advertising that they will take over 100,000 skilled workers so many are opting for there and Scandanavia is another place people are heading for. Haven't heard of any looking at the USA though, as the US is not in that strong a position themselves at the moment. I understand people's need to leave if they are to find work but if the Greek economy is to grow it also needs it's bright and energetic youth, so it is a very difficult situation.

    Greece could also have done something a long time ago to save themselves and didn't. And to be fair this wasn't the fault of Papandraeu, it was the previous government who hid the books and went to great lengths to cover the state of the economy from both the EU and the Greek people. Plus whilst Greece, Italy et al are weak, Germany and France are stronger so they were never going to try too hard to save the situation.

    This is possibly why the EU won't not work, in the long run everyone will look after themselves first. This is not a critisism by the way, it is just human nature and honestly, if I were German right now I wouldn't be too worried about little old Greece either.

    But all the best to Italy Julia, I was saddened to hear that you will be joining us as outcastes and hope you can do a better job of turning things around than we have so far. Solidarity!

  6. #31
    Regular Member Achievements:
    VeteranThree Friends25000 Experience Points
    Sile's Avatar
    Join Date
    04-09-11
    Location
    Australia
    Posts
    5,119
    Points
    29,699
    Level
    52
    Points: 29,699, Level: 52
    Level completed: 96%, Points required for next Level: 51
    Overall activity: 37.0%

    Y-DNA haplogroup
    T1a2 -Z19945..Jura
    MtDNA haplogroup
    H95a1 ..Pannoni

    Ethnic group
    North Alpine Italian
    Country: Australia



    Quote Originally Posted by Cimmerianbloke View Post
    Julia, the Italian left was always after Berlusconi, but he was not guilty enough, or maybe too clever to get caught. The guy owns half of the country and behaved like Mel Brooks' Louis XVI in History of the World (It's good to be the king...). He surely was a European (as well as a national) embarassment, but he could barely have been suspected of getting money off the taxpayer to line his own pockets, like, well, everywhere else.
    Everyone who knows a little about politics knows that the italian left is the worst in Europe, Prodi is a far worse leader than Berlusconi ever was. The problem with Berlusconi was that he did not bow to the bankers nor Merkozy (he's richer than them...), and he had to go to let somebody more flexible to take the calls from Berl.., sorry, Brussels.
    On your previous remark, concerning how Greece could have been salvaged, I have doubts. First because the bankers want their money back, and the bailouts were only given out with certain conditions (that we might discover in a few years). Secondly, 2012 is a very important year in Europe, elections are taking place in France, and Sarkozy does not want to upset the French any further, his campaign is at stake. Just as in 40, nobody wanted a war over the Sudetenland, no one will commit political suicide over Greece. Merkel's party already has a very bad record in local elections for the last 18 months, getting the Germans to make more efforts to keep Greece afloat would trigger a revolution. Now, as a solidarity gesture, you're welcome to send half your wages check to Athens, but I surely won't join you.

    Berlusconni brought this on himself, in 2008 he won majority in parliment ( first time for any Italian governmenT ) and with his coalition partner the legaNord could have made changes. He promised a LegaNord initiative, Fiscal Federalism and delayed and delayed its introduction ( just this policy would have saved italy). He was told by LegaNord to Sell Alitalia and Rai tv and yet he saved them with great expensive - these companies are a dud a waste of monies especially since Italy already has 2 other airlines that fly as far as Dubai.
    The italian left is supported by the unions and will not make any further austerity packages.

    As I said , if Italy is to save itself it must depart from euro currency - The USA only survived backruptcy ( if you call this survival) because they can print there own money, imagine if they where linked with other nations in a shared currency, the USA would be sold as a second China
    có che un pòpoło no 'l defende pi ła só łéngua el xe prónto par èser s'ciavo

    when a people no longer dares to defend its language it is ripe for slavery.

  7. #32
    Regular Member Achievements:
    VeteranThree Friends25000 Experience Points
    Sile's Avatar
    Join Date
    04-09-11
    Location
    Australia
    Posts
    5,119
    Points
    29,699
    Level
    52
    Points: 29,699, Level: 52
    Level completed: 96%, Points required for next Level: 51
    Overall activity: 37.0%

    Y-DNA haplogroup
    T1a2 -Z19945..Jura
    MtDNA haplogroup
    H95a1 ..Pannoni

    Ethnic group
    North Alpine Italian
    Country: Australia



    Quote Originally Posted by julia90 View Post
    It's the contrary.. it's the italian "Magistratura", that abused his power, and created a clima of persecution.. .
    We should thank Magistratura, that stopped the government reforms, attacking continously a person, and don't making him work for the government.. you don't have the idea of how many billions the italian state spended for the magistratura attacks on berlusconi...this were billions throwed off for no use let alone that of unjustified personal persecution.

    And also Magistratura is lined up in the part of the italian left, working in favour of leftists parties.. a so undemocratic exercise of power..

    and berlusconi wasn't a Tirant.. he was legitemately voted by the majority .

    You are Scottish.. i thoght Scottish people were Liberals and democratic... not for the oligarchy of Magistratura, bureocracy, etc etc..


    I can explain you better the clima that was created in italy:
    the leftists always told to journals berlusconi was uncapable, and that he had to resign himselves, because with him italy would collapse..

    than an example: if a person goes out and start tso say that his wife is a ***** continuosly to everybody (and that thing is completely false), than everybody at the end would start to think his wife is a ***** even if at the beginning they didn't think so...
    The same situation is in italy, leftists journals continued to tell negative things about our governement, instead of promoting it, because it was runned by berlusconi.., the truth is that our financial situation isn't bad than that of most euro countries including france... the difference is that french politicians aren't selfdestruptive...
    the market plungers start to belive italian situation is very bad because all of the leftists journals selfdestruption.. so they dond't confide in italy
    Its a pity that 92% of this Magistrata come from campania , there is something wrong in this field of justice in Italy

  8. #33
    Regular Member Achievements:
    OverdriveVeteranThree Friends25000 Experience Points
    Yetos's Avatar
    Join Date
    02-10-11
    Location
    Makedonia
    Posts
    5,528
    Points
    43,504
    Level
    64
    Points: 43,504, Level: 64
    Level completed: 43%, Points required for next Level: 746
    Overall activity: 99.1%

    Y-DNA haplogroup
    G2a3a
    MtDNA haplogroup
    X2b

    Ethnic group
    Makedonian original
    Country: Greece



    a few funny images about Eurozone crisis







    Attached Images Attached Images
    ΟΘΕΝ ΑΙΔΩΣ OY EINAI
    ΑΤΗ ΛΑΜΒΑΝΕΙΝ ΑΥΤΟΙΣ
    ΥΒΡΙΣ ΓΕΝΝΑΤΑΙ
    ΝΕΜΕΣΙΣ ΚΑΙ ΤΙΣΗ ΑΚΟΛΟΥΘΟΥΣΙ ΔΕ

    When there is no shame
    Divine blindness conquers them
    Hybris (abuse, opprombium) is born
    Nemesis and punishment follows.

    Εχε υπομονη Ηρωα
    Η τιμωρια δεν αργει.

  9. #34
    Elite member Achievements:
    1000 Experience Points1 year registered
    Cimmerianbloke's Avatar
    Join Date
    08-06-11
    Location
    Berlin, Germany
    Posts
    332
    Points
    4,156
    Level
    18
    Points: 4,156, Level: 18
    Level completed: 77%, Points required for next Level: 94
    Overall activity: 8.0%


    Ethnic group
    Latin-Germanic
    Country: Germany - Berlin



    im200.jpg
    Van Rompuy meets Benedict XVI.
    The Pope; How about you, doesn't it bother you, that feeling to be useless?
    Hermann; You know, my holiness (pun lost in translation), in my case, it's not just a feeling...

  10. #35
    Passione Mediterranea Achievements:
    Three FriendsVeteran25000 Experience Points
    julia90's Avatar
    Join Date
    24-09-10
    Location
    Florence-Prato
    Posts
    1,134
    Points
    40,630
    Level
    62
    Points: 40,630, Level: 62
    Level completed: 22%, Points required for next Level: 1,020
    Overall activity: 0%


    Ethnic group
    Tuscan-Italian-(European)
    Country: Italy



    Quote Originally Posted by Sile View Post
    Its a pity that 92% of this Magistrata come from campania , there is something wrong in this field of justice in Italy
    indeed the political Magistratura Boss, Di Pietro is from nearby Molise, a caricature-man

  11. #36
    Passione Mediterranea Achievements:
    Three FriendsVeteran25000 Experience Points
    julia90's Avatar
    Join Date
    24-09-10
    Location
    Florence-Prato
    Posts
    1,134
    Points
    40,630
    Level
    62
    Points: 40,630, Level: 62
    Level completed: 22%, Points required for next Level: 1,020
    Overall activity: 0%


    Ethnic group
    Tuscan-Italian-(European)
    Country: Italy



    Quote Originally Posted by Cimmerianbloke View Post
    Everyone who knows a little about politics knows that the italian left is the worst in Europe, Prodi is a far worse leader than Berlusconi ever was.
    that's why he's still more capable man in italian politics, the better for now we had...

  12. #37
    Elite member Achievements:
    1000 Experience PointsVeteran

    Join Date
    12-11-11
    Location
    Fier
    Posts
    124
    Points
    3,291
    Level
    16
    Points: 3,291, Level: 16
    Level completed: 61%, Points required for next Level: 159
    Overall activity: 0%


    Ethnic group
    Shqiptar
    Country: Albania



    I think that Greeks can get out of the crisis is they work more and complain less. Complaining in this moment will only make their economy worse

  13. #38
    Regular Member Achievements:
    OverdriveVeteran10000 Experience Points
    zanipolo's Avatar
    Join Date
    22-03-11
    Posts
    2,073
    Points
    22,792
    Level
    46
    Points: 22,792, Level: 46
    Level completed: 25%, Points required for next Level: 758
    Overall activity: 0%

    Y-DNA haplogroup
    T1a2 - Z19945
    MtDNA haplogroup
    K1a4o

    Ethnic group
    Down Under
    Country: Australia



    1 members found this post helpful.
    Quote Originally Posted by Endri View Post
    I think that Greeks can get out of the crisis is they work more and complain less. Complaining in this moment will only make their economy worse
    does not compute...there about 11 Million greeks, it we remove the aged, injured, children, public workers and non citizens, then the taxable work force is 3 Million. how do you expect these Greeks to repay anything when they have barely any industry .
    Father's Mtdna H95a1
    Grandfather Mtdna T2b24
    Great Grandfather Mtdna T1a1e
    GMother paternal side YDna R1b-S8172
    Mother's YDna R1a-Z282

  14. #39
    Regular Member Achievements:
    OverdriveVeteranThree Friends25000 Experience Points
    Yetos's Avatar
    Join Date
    02-10-11
    Location
    Makedonia
    Posts
    5,528
    Points
    43,504
    Level
    64
    Points: 43,504, Level: 64
    Level completed: 43%, Points required for next Level: 746
    Overall activity: 99.1%

    Y-DNA haplogroup
    G2a3a
    MtDNA haplogroup
    X2b

    Ethnic group
    Makedonian original
    Country: Greece



    Quote Originally Posted by Endri View Post
    I think that Greeks can get out of the crisis is they work more and complain less. Complaining in this moment will only make their economy worse
    By your flag I see that you are Albanian,

    Let me remind that in Greece work and Live 1 500 000 more than Albanians,
    the ones that send them away from they country to a foreign country must not complain if these people turn back and Albania has 50% unemployment,

    the ones who make desert their land and sold it to JPMORGAN and kick their people to another country
    I think must be care on what they say,

    Just consider that about of 14%- 20% of Albanian ballance is by Albanian people who work in Greece and send money to Albania..

    cause the money of silver goes all to a doctor and his daughter, while the other guy is seeking for alcohol,

    what remains goes to singurimi and secret propaganda agents

    Except if by your words you wanted to tell us that Albanians are lazy non working and you send them away to Greece to feed them, Do you mean that?

  15. #40
    Regular Member Achievements:
    OverdriveVeteranThree Friends25000 Experience Points
    Yetos's Avatar
    Join Date
    02-10-11
    Location
    Makedonia
    Posts
    5,528
    Points
    43,504
    Level
    64
    Points: 43,504, Level: 64
    Level completed: 43%, Points required for next Level: 746
    Overall activity: 99.1%

    Y-DNA haplogroup
    G2a3a
    MtDNA haplogroup
    X2b

    Ethnic group
    Makedonian original
    Country: Greece



    Quote Originally Posted by zanipolo View Post
    does not compute...there about 11 Million greeks, it we remove the aged, injured, children, public workers and non citizens, then the taxable work force is 3 Million. how do you expect these Greeks to repay anything when they have barely any industry .

    according Greek buraeu is about <4 million the places, and became about <3 million last 2 years and after market extra tax,
    estimation talks about 2 600 000 to 2 800 000 million next year

    consider the about 1 million illegal immigrants that work and not pay for insurance

    in summer the work places reach 5 000 000 places due to turism
    but how can someone live when works for 3-6 months

    there are many people even childs who work in family business, especially in summer
    the problem is not only the state workers, the problem is elsewhere, the state workers is just an extra 2-6% of another European country,
    the problem is that my products are sold with 23% tax while people from Albania Bulgaria Fyrom bring goods bought by 10% tax and can sell them cheaper,
    the problem is that the best Greek olive oil, which is maybe the best in the world, can not be sold,
    why?
    cause due to policies Germany imports Huge quantities from a non EU country like N africa
    and can sell cheaper in Greece, why cause in N africa they don't have Euro

    that was the paradox after 2003
    Greece a traditional olive country and orange and peaches and strawberry import what? olive oil and peaches !!!!
    as you understand the paradox is a bigger truth,
    it is not strange that after 1990 many neighbor countries got plus developement and greece got minus
    all the neighbors are not in EUrozone, so they are flexible as economies

    On the other hand it is the corruption of politician and Technocrats since the Bank scandal are not little starting from koskotas times to saliarelis to kokkalis reaching layrentiadis etc
    do you know many scandals were done by Techocrats in Greece? many

    I don't know if Sarkozy was right when he told that Greece should enter Eurozone,
    But I know that there was a big Hypocricy cause both France and Germany knew about the depth of Greece before 2002 and also the loans and the most worse is the case of Germany and siemens with the C4I project for Olympic games which cost 4 times more !!!!!
    who bought it? ask which Greek politician had German wife.

  16. #41
    Elite member Achievements:
    1000 Experience PointsVeteran
    Antigone's Avatar
    Join Date
    04-02-11
    Posts
    449
    Points
    4,435
    Level
    19
    Points: 4,435, Level: 19
    Level completed: 47%, Points required for next Level: 215
    Overall activity: 0%


    Country: Greece



    Quote Originally Posted by Yetos View Post
    there are many people even childs who work in family business, especially in summer
    ,
    the problem is that the best Greek olive oil, which is maybe the best in the world, can not be sold,
    why?
    that was the paradox after 2003
    Greece a traditional olive country and orange and peaches and strawberry import what? olive oil and peaches !!!!
    as you understand the paradox is a bigger truth,
    it is not strange that after 1990 many neighbor countries got plus developement and greece got minus
    all the neighbors are not in EUrozone, so they are flexible as economies.
    Yes many Greek children work through the summers, it is the only way small family businesses, who can't afford to employ workers, can survive. In my area children start at about 13 or 14yrs of age, my own children included have been working 12 to 14hr days, every summer since that age. They still do, the extra money enables them to live whilst they study at university through the winter as we can only afford to help them to a certain extent, not fully support them until they have finished their degrees.

    The olive oil is another good point, the majority of oil produced on our island is transported to Italy for example. Not to be marketed and sold as a product of Greece, it is bought by Italian companies to be marketed and sold as Italian oil. It is crazy.

  17. #42
    Regular Member Achievements:
    OverdriveVeteranThree Friends25000 Experience Points
    Yetos's Avatar
    Join Date
    02-10-11
    Location
    Makedonia
    Posts
    5,528
    Points
    43,504
    Level
    64
    Points: 43,504, Level: 64
    Level completed: 43%, Points required for next Level: 746
    Overall activity: 99.1%

    Y-DNA haplogroup
    G2a3a
    MtDNA haplogroup
    X2b

    Ethnic group
    Makedonian original
    Country: Greece



    It is not my point of view,

    but it is good to see on some see Europe in the other coasr of Atlantic ocean

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/20/op...ef=rossdouthat

  18. #43
    Banned Achievements:
    1 year registeredTagger Second Class

    Join Date
    14-04-10
    Location
    america's last eden
    Posts
    332
    Points
    39
    Level
    1
    Points: 39, Level: 1
    Level completed: 78%, Points required for next Level: 11
    Overall activity: 0%


    Ethnic group
    PROUDLY AMERINDIAN!
    Country: Chile



    Germany and France have their own problems... they can't be paying forever for others' "fiesta" and "siesta".

  19. #44
    aimless wanderer Achievements:
    Three FriendsVeteran10000 Experience Points
    Mzungu mchagga's Avatar
    Join Date
    13-09-10
    Location
    Berlin
    Posts
    638
    Points
    12,885
    Level
    34
    Points: 12,885, Level: 34
    Level completed: 34%, Points required for next Level: 465
    Overall activity: 0%


    Country: Germany



    Seems like the rest of Europe can stop holding it's breath for a moment! If it was for former chancellor Helmut Schmidt, Germany should try to hold it's dominance in European politics back and instead show more solidarity in economy:

    Germany risks isolation, warns Schmidt

    Former Social Democrat (SPD) chancellor Helmut Schmidt urged Germans today to soothe what he said were growing fears of German dominance in Europe and come to the rescue of debt-stricken euro zone partners.

    In an hour-long speech to a party conference, the chain-smoking 92-year-old said Berlin risked isolation if it tried to impose its ideas on European partners. Instead, Mr Schmidt argued, Germany should embrace further European integration.
    "If we let ourselves be seduced into taking on a leading role in Europe, our neighbours will brace themselves against us," Schmidt said from a wheelchair to a packed hall of opposition SPD members.
    "We need to show heart towards our friends and neighbours. And that is especially the case for Greece," he said.

    Taking aim at conservative chancellor Angela Merkel, he said "German national muscle-flexing" was damaging the national interest.
    "Considerable doubt has emerged in the last few years about the steadiness of German politics," he said, adding there was "growing concern about German dominance".

    Talk of a euro crisis was "idle gossip" by politicians and the media, he said.
    Mr Schmidt, who regularly tops national polls of respected politicians, was West German chancellor from 1974 to 1982.
    His speech, greeted by a standing ovation, comes just days before a crunch summit of EU leaders who are struggling to find ways to regain investors' confidence in the euro.
    Dr Merkel, initially blamed for exacerbating the debt crisis by acting too hesitantly, has doggedly refused to agree to steps that could cost German taxpayers more and fuel inflation.
    To the chagrin of countries such as France and Britain, she opposes both a greater role for the European Central Bank in helping debt-ridden euro zone members and common euro zone debt issuance.
    Instead, she insists the only way out of the crisis is German-style budget discipline.
    To that end, she is pushing EU leaders to agree to new, binding rules giving Brussels greater control over national budgets and automatically punishing states that breach deficit rules. She also wants a financial transaction tax.
    Her arguments have triggered accusations that Europe risks turning German. That impression was strengthened when her party ally Volker Kauder said "German is being spoken in Europe." That unleashed a wave of headlines about jackboots and a "Fourth Reich" in countries including Britain. France is also bristling at Germany's new role in Europe which stems from its economic might.
    Conservative German newspaper Die Welt ran an editorial last week arguing that Germany had become as isolated as the US was during the 2003 invasion of Iraq.
    Since the second World War, Germany has shied away from showing political muscle internationally to match its economic power due to its Nazi legacy.
    Schmidt said Germany could not be a normal country in the foreseeable future due to its "terrible and unique historic burden." He called for further European integration if the continent were to avoid being sidelined.

    The SPD has taken a more pro-European stand in the euro zone crisis and its leaders back the idea of euro bonds.
    Schmidt has backed former finance minister Peer Steinbrueck as the SPD's candidate to fight Dr Merkel in the 2013 election. The party's leaders are due to hold their major speeches tomorrow.
    Source:
    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...reaking60.html

  20. #45
    Regular Member Achievements:
    Veteran25000 Experience PointsThree Friends

    Join Date
    26-09-11
    Posts
    2,103
    Points
    30,701
    Level
    53
    Points: 30,701, Level: 53
    Level completed: 87%, Points required for next Level: 149
    Overall activity: 30.0%


    Country: China



    What the German wise persons think about Spain and the crisis.

    They will say that I very rarely see people but this Thursday I met with the mind to new experiences. Announced the presence in the Rafael del Pino Jurgen B. Donges, a type that would be wrong to think that it is not known in his home at lunchtime, and in some circumstances contribute to make it truly unique. First is a German born in Seville, a contradiction 'in terminis' has been resolved on the German side, second is a professor emeritus at the University of Cologne, and finally has been president of the German Council of Economic Experts, and therefore, was one of five scholars who advise the ministers Germans so they know what to do, and paint in gold or in clubs.

    Let me place before the character. Donges, so perhaps it was wise for ten years, believes the smartest in the class, and do not forget to remember that if you had done Helmut Kohl case there would have been no crisis of the euro for the simple reason that he saw no need to create a single currency, nor a sovereign debt crisis, because none of the peripheral countries had entered the eurozone, "When I was dispatched to Kohl said he had to think big historical terms," ​​he said in a tone of derision.

    We, therefore, to an economist who believes listísimo and feels a deep contempt for politicians, either because they ignore him at all or because no heed to themselves and do not respect their own rules. This disdain is not saved or Angela Merkel, here we find a governess goat or the devil wearing Prada large sizes, but that does not exceed Donges soft.

    His conclusion is that the current crisis has nothing to do with financial four years ago but has been driven by governments, as passed by the Arc de Triomphe the European Treaty provisions prohibiting the rescue of a member or the ECB to finance public deficits.

    Understandably, the sage is opposed to the ECB buying government debt ("deaf ears and will not solve anything") to euro ("Zapatero and Berlusconi have not done the little that made it not been for the higher risk premiums (...) Jesus told us to be brothers, but cousins ​​referred to the Germans, etc "), and concern that all countries of the nose should remain in euros.

    What do things have been done well? Few. A debt restructuring is Greek, which, apparently, was his idea - "I already told my minister" - and it does not really help much because the Greeks can not afford it even with the off, the second , forcing banks to capitalize and to consider debt a risky asset, and the third, extending the formula to constitutionalize the containment of the deficit, as we have imported from Germany. Nevertheless, "we are worse than 18 months ago."

    More interesting than the above was to prove that the Germans are happy to know that the Spanish, who filled the auditorium, they are able to laugh out loud laughter when a German repeated the topic here is low productivity because we are lazy and work less that the guardian angel: "In Germany when we left breakfast we will work from home. And you, being in bed a few minutes, half asleep and they need a coffee to go. Maybe that could change, "he said.

    The laughs were sad, but more painful was that one of the presenters at Donges, Amadeo Petitbò, asked him what he was going to improve our competitiveness. The question was clearly inappropriate, coming from a gentleman whom taxpayers have paid to chair the Tribunal for the Defense of Competition, naively believing that knew something about the subject.

    Back to the comparison between Germany and Spain: there-and-true learning takes great care in companies, and here, there is all much cheaper, to the point where the brandy Carlos I, which deprived Donges, Cologne is five dollars cheaper than in Malaga. And that's not to mention the Frankfurt airport, where no one waits in long lines to pass the controls because there is good and bad here. Even the angry Germans and the U.S. are much better than ours: "They look more neat and more contact with the shower" (laughs). In his opinion, if we are not very productive because we want, but we can learn. "You have learned to play football. There is nothing that can not be changed, "he said. (More laughter).

    The lecture concluded with the three wise advice Rajoy, in which he recognized as a merit for having remained silent after the elections. In his view, if politicians stay silent for several months, avoid uncertainties launch markets.

    Well, the president-elect should submit a plan to clean up public finances for several years, detailing where to cut spending and put the focus of the income tax rise, "which does not affect business investment." You must also restructure the financial system by creating a bad bank, explaining that taxpayers will have to pay those. Finally, it has to create the Ministry of Economy and Labour to manage an in-depth labor reform, warning unions that will bring you to cool your kicking. Following his advice and be patient, because these things are slow palace, we will be saved.

    http://www.cuartopoder.es/preferiria...la-crisis/1227


    What an onlooker! a few years ago the whole world was pleased with the Spanish miracle, in this moment it was importing to nobody if we drink coffee before going to the work. If this German wise person wants that we start speaking about topics also we can start the Spanish speaking about topics and say with what intention the U.E. was created in his moment...
    Last edited by Carlos; 06-12-11 at 20:01.

  21. #46
    Regular Member Achievements:
    1000 Experience PointsVeteran
    Spion Stirlitz's Avatar
    Join Date
    25-03-11
    Posts
    98
    Points
    3,228
    Level
    16
    Points: 3,228, Level: 16
    Level completed: 45%, Points required for next Level: 222
    Overall activity: 0%


    Ethnic group
    Indian+Spanish+German, basically
    Country: Mexico



    Carlos, please don't be offended, but the result of passing the article trough automatic translation, was attrocious.

    But don't worry, I could summirize:

    The author went to the conference of this Herr/Señor Donges (or something like that) and felt depressed of seeing the combination of sufficiency and arrogance, the cultural/racial sense of supperiorty, plus the lack of deep thought formulas that really addressed the issues.

    Hopping that "Cimerianbroke" do not finally explode, I will tell you that that is the sad true I have delved, an old truth that the times have not changed, what changed is our counciousness of it:

    Many Germans are arrogant.

    "Am deutschen Wesen soll die Welt genesen"

    I don't say that they are "bad" persons. And of course one should not deprive itself for the pleasure of, say, driving a nice German car, reading a good German novel, etcetera, if it suits you, just because of that.

    The solution for you?

    Don't put yourself in a position where a German could tell you what to do.

    It is as simple as that.

    Regards.

  22. #47
    Regular Member Achievements:
    Veteran25000 Experience PointsThree Friends

    Join Date
    26-09-11
    Posts
    2,103
    Points
    30,701
    Level
    53
    Points: 30,701, Level: 53
    Level completed: 87%, Points required for next Level: 149
    Overall activity: 30.0%


    Country: China



    Spion Stirlitz
    Carlos, please don't be offended, but the result of passing the article trough automatic translation, was attrocious.
    I am not responsible for the translators, however I have another version with a different translator to see if it suits you more.

    On the topic at hand, I get to be in that room and grab my headphones for simultaneous translation I leave and left the room, I find intolerable nonsense to bring a foreign speaker is supposed to receive expert ridiculous insults based on nonsense.

    If the Europeans are giving these examples of ignorance of each other, really not going to get anywhere.

  23. #48
    Elite member Achievements:
    1000 Experience PointsVeteran
    Antigone's Avatar
    Join Date
    04-02-11
    Posts
    449
    Points
    4,435
    Level
    19
    Points: 4,435, Level: 19
    Level completed: 47%, Points required for next Level: 215
    Overall activity: 0%


    Country: Greece



    Quote Originally Posted by Spion Stirlitz View Post
    Many Germans are arrogant.
    It is not specific to Germans though. Many French, British, Greek, Americans, Spanish, Mexican, Italian, Swedish, Russian, Australian, Turkish, etc etc etc are also arrogant. Unfortunately, it is a condition that is to be found all over the world.

    But basically, all arrogance says about a person is that they are ignorant.

  24. #49
    aimless wanderer Achievements:
    Three FriendsVeteran10000 Experience Points
    Mzungu mchagga's Avatar
    Join Date
    13-09-10
    Location
    Berlin
    Posts
    638
    Points
    12,885
    Level
    34
    Points: 12,885, Level: 34
    Level completed: 34%, Points required for next Level: 465
    Overall activity: 0%


    Country: Germany



    1 members found this post helpful.
    Cimmerianbloke is a Belgian guy living in Germany, so he's writing his statements out of a Belgian perspective. Even though he expresses a lot of feelings many Germans share, but wouldn't dare to express.

    But anyways, there has never been a time in which a nation with more economical or political power than another country has not been called arrogant. It is both due to a feeling of powerlessness of the weaker one and a feeling of confirmation of the stronger one. For a long time Australians might have called the British as arrogant; for Latin America the Spanish and Portuguese are arrogant; for a South Italian North Italians are arrogant; in Europe the French are arrogant anyway, and so are the Germans; and for the whole world US-Americans are arrogant.

  25. #50
    Elite member Achievements:
    Tagger First ClassVeteran25000 Experience Points
    edao's Avatar
    Join Date
    10-02-10
    Location
    Britain
    Posts
    442
    Points
    32,029
    Level
    55
    Points: 32,029, Level: 55
    Level completed: 8%, Points required for next Level: 1,021
    Overall activity: 10.0%

    Y-DNA haplogroup
    R1b
    MtDNA haplogroup
    H

    Country: UK - Scotland



    US more leveraged than Italy, France or Spain

    (Bloomberg) -- Greece is the most leveraged developed country, followed by Portugal and the U.K., according to data compiled by Bloomberg. The U.S. tied with Ireland as the fourth most leveraged in the rankings, ahead of France, Spain and Italy.


Page 2 of 3 FirstFirst 123 LastLast

Similar Threads

  1. Why did France and Britain leave Germany invade Poland ?
    By Damian in forum European Culture & History
    Replies: 50
    Last Post: 20-09-18, 05:45
  2. Any hope to solve Africa's poverty problems ?
    By Maciamo in forum Other Serious Discussion
    Replies: 14
    Last Post: 17-11-11, 05:40
  3. Eurozone crisis question from US student
    By mangos88 in forum EU politics & government
    Replies: 0
    Last Post: 15-11-11, 20:09
  4. Salaries and Pensions in the Eurozone
    By chris eblana in forum EU politics & government
    Replies: 30
    Last Post: 26-01-11, 18:09
  5. Cheap way to get from Germany to France
    By lindatt in forum Travelling & Living in Europe
    Replies: 3
    Last Post: 08-05-09, 17:27

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •