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    Have you ever wondered where your family name was most common or if it existed in other countries ? You can check it on various websites that compute distribution maps for any surname (usually based on telephone registers).



    France's Geopatronyme and the UK's public profiler are the only site that provide historical data (going back to 1881 for the UK and 1891 for France), although Geopatronyme has the advantage of having four distinct periods instead of two (so that you can see the evolution in distribution across generations).

    Germany's Geogen is the only one that calculates relative distribution (as a percentage of the population) in addition to the absolute figures.

    The Dutch and Belgian sites have the finest scale, giving distributions at the municipal level (instead of province/county/département level for other sites).

    There seem to be frequent server problems with Verwandt, the site powering the maps for Austria, Switzerland and Spain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maciamo View Post
    There seem to be frequent server problems with Verwandt, the site powering the maps for Austria, Switzerland and Spain.
    It looks like there's a problem with the form on the Austria version of the site. To get around that, I searched with the Swiss version and replaced ".ch" in the URL with ".at" on the result page, and it displayed correctly.

    So my surname is clearly German language (before it was Anglicized), and it's pretty clear which of the German speaking countries it comes from after looking at the distribution maps:






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    To a degree it makes sense to find the area by ones surname, but another way is to associate your surname with a name of a town/village ( with a slight lettering variation )

    As for me:
    26 in the veneto - north Italy
    1 in piedmont - north italy
    1 in marche - central italy
    1 in toulouse - south france

    seems clear cut


    the town system has my surname similar ( very ) to these towns in
    Friuli - north italy
    normandy - north france
    lorraine - east france
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    Mmmm Northern Ireland is not included under Great Britain on both sites. Nor Southern Ireland for that matter, which was still a part of Great Britain before 1921. For Irish surnames it will only give the distribution in England, Scotland and Wales.

    For anyone with an Irish surname there is a searchbase here http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/surname/ but it is only from 1848-64.

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    Thank you for this collection. I think they are based mainly on telephone book entries. Here one more for Italy (indettaglio.it). I know one very interesting example based on public records:
    South Tyrol - Italy (Territoriale Verteilung Ihres Nachnamens - Melderegister 2010)

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    Yes, this map is based on phone book entries. Odd thing is, that I know ALL of my surename carriers in Germany by person

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    Thank you Maciamo. This was very helpful to me.

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    I do not know what this form is called but I will explain, in the north-east Italy they have a lot of endings like, otto, otti, oni.
    What I found out is that this version was given to males who where second, third, fourth etc sons of anyone with wealth. The reason was to stop distribution of family wealth beyond the first son. So, otto ending meant tall frame, otti is medium and oni ( or on ) meant small frame.
    The ending in in as in Pellegrin, Morosin, Serafin, Zanin etc was used in both forms to mean son of or from a town as in Vicenzin from Vicenza.

    The pure venetian endings can be found with igo

    An example
    Zane - family surname ( a doge once) means Giovanni in Italian and John in English
    first son = Zane
    other sons depending on bodyframe at manhood - tall is Zanotto, medium = Zanotti and smallish = Zanoni or Zanon
    and yes there is Zanin, which indicates son of, but again excluded from family wealth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maciamo View Post
    Have you ever wondered where your family name was most common or if it existed in other countries ? You can check it on various websites that compute distribution maps for any surname (usually based on telephone registers).



    France's Geopatronyme and the UK's public profiler are the only site that provide historical data (going back to 1881 for the UK and 1891 for France), although Geopatronyme has the advantage of having four distinct periods instead of two (so that you can see the evolution in distribution across generations).

    Germany's Geogen is the only one that calculates relative distribution (as a percentage of the population) in addition to the absolute figures.

    The Dutch and Belgian sites have the finest scale, giving distributions at the municipal level (instead of province/county/département level for other sites).

    There seem to be frequent server problems with Verwandt, the site powering the maps for Austria, Switzerland and Spain.
    others are:


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    Quote Originally Posted by sparkey View Post
    It looks like there's a problem with the form on the Austria version of the site. To get around that, I searched with the Swiss version and replaced ".ch" in the URL with ".at" on the result page, and it displayed correctly.

    So my surname is clearly German language (before it was Anglicized), and it's pretty clear which of the German speaking countries it comes from after looking at the distribution maps:


    You mean your lastname is clearly 'German language' (before it was Frenchified), and it is pretty clear which bits of the German speaking lands it is found in most manifoldness aka Switzerland's: Freiburg or should that be" Fribourg canton/Kanton(?)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Selwyn Greenfrith View Post
    You mean your lastname is clearly 'German language' (before it was Frenchified), and it is pretty clear which bits of the German speaking lands it is found in most manifoldness aka Switzerland's: Freiburg or should that be" Fribourg canton/Kanton(?)
    I'm not quite sure what you mean. My surname was Anglicized ca. 1770 from an original surname carried by German speakers. That German speakers' surname is most common in Bern Canton, Switzerland, and it is almost unheard of outside of Switzerland.

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    I'm not so sure they are based on the telephone book. Perhaps they are based on civil records like births, marriages, and deaths. Are these records public or private in France?

    There is only that is found (currently)in the original spelling of my surname (Pigmon) in France. It is in Hautes-Pyrenees.

    Some time ago I asked nice French lady to look it up in the phone book and there is no entry there. I believe it is a 1960's birth record. I sure wish I could talk to my distant cousins there.

    Curtis Pigman(in France Pigmon/Pimond)

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    Reckon Pigman/Pigmon is indeed French but folk should bear in mind that lots of lastnames in the Anglosphere thought to be of Huguenot/Walloon (and even Norman before that) roots, are nowt but Frenchified or pseudo-Frenchified Flemish names. Indeed there is some website out there which sets out how loads of Flemish/Dutch incomers lastnames to England were unhingedlike mistakenly listed as Huguenot/Walloon and so forth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sparkey View Post
    I'm not quite sure what you mean. My surname was Anglicized ca. 1770 from an original surname carried by German speakers. That German speakers' surname is most common in Bern Canton, Switzerland, and it is almost unheard of outside of Switzerland.
    Going by the map it seemed as if your Anglicized German lastname clusters about Freiburg (itself neighbouring to Bern) which I thought was ironic inasmuch as Fribourg is an example of a historically German speaking Kanton of Switzerland which has been steadily Frenchified.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pi gman View Post
    I'm not so sure they are based on the telephone book. Perhaps they are based on civil records like births, marriages, and deaths. Are these records public or private in France?

    There is only that is found (currently)in the original spelling of my surname (Pigmon) in France. It is in Hautes-Pyrenees.

    Some time ago I asked nice French lady to look it up in the phone book and there is no entry there. I believe it is a 1960's birth record. I sure wish I could talk to my distant cousins there.

    Curtis Pigman(in France Pigmon/Pimond)
    if you read french, there is an interesting forum for personal and placenames curiously accessible by typing: "forum noms de famille - cartes ppstales du Roussillon" and entering Email address and code number, free

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    Selwyn,
    Indeed, I have recently found the Pigman surname in Old Hunstanton and Norwich, Norfolk. The family apparently was there from around 1620 on. At first they were listed in the non-conformist records. Apparently, some did not stay perhaps because of the new persecution of the Huguenots in England and some stayed and some Pigmans went to Tilburg, Noord-Brabant, Netherlands and at least one (my ancestor) to colonial Maryland where he first shows up in 1695 purchasing a plantation.

    Pigmon in Correze, Limousin, France seems to be the place although Pigmon is also in Rhone-Alpes. All Pigmon early records are transcribed as Pimond. The name changed around 1800 to Pimont. Even by looking at the orignals I have still not, however found the links!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MOESAN View Post
    if you read french, there is an interesting forum for personal and placenames curiously accessible by typing: "forum noms de famille - cartes ppstales du Roussillon" and entering Email address and code number, free
    Thanks Moesan,

    I signed up and I am awaiting approval by e-mail from the web site. I can read some French but I generally use Google translate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Selwyn Greenfrith View Post
    Going by the map it seemed as if your Anglicized German lastname clusters about Freiburg (itself neighbouring to Bern) which I thought was ironic inasmuch as Fribourg is an example of a historically German speaking Kanton of Switzerland which has been steadily Frenchified.
    ..........................

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    My surname is Alexandru. I do not think I came from Alexandria, lol

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    I was looking at the top 10 Italian cognomi and was suprised to find this name quite high: Puddu. I've never seen this name before, all the others looked like very common Italian names.

    Does anyone else know whether Puddu is or isn't a common Italian surname?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joey D View Post
    I was looking at the top 10 Italian cognomi and was suprised to find this name quite high: Puddu. I've never seen this name before, all the others looked like very common Italian names.

    Does anyone else know whether Puddu is or isn't a common Italian surname?
    Puddu is a Sardinian origin name.

    When the question of surnames comes up I normally first check the compendium put together by the University of Genova which is based on the Italian white pages. The downside is that it doesn't tell you origin and you will often find "southern" surnames, for example, scattered throughout the north because of recent migration, as in this case. Usually, however, you can still see by the concentrations where the name probably originated.

    http://www.gens.info/italia/it/turis...9#.WEGZT_krKyI

    The cognomix site purports to tell you the origin of Italian surnames, and it does have an entry for Puddu (which means gallina), but it doesn't list all surnames. (This is the site referenced by Maciamo.)
    http://www.cognomix.it/origine-cognome/puddu.php

    There used to be a wonderful Italian site that listed virtually every variation of every surname and gave historical references, but at one point it just was unavailable. I don't know what happened. So, now I go to the original and much harder to use text. If you happen to take a look at it I'd be interested to know what you think of the treatment of the specifically Sicilian names.

    https://archive.org/stream/OrigineES...liani_djvu.txt

    This is another site I use for location information:
    http://www.mappadeicognomi.it/

    Just for curiosity, what site told you that Puddu was in the top ten of Italian surnames? From the information I saw, it isn't even one of the top ten names in Sardegna.

    This is the Cognomix list of the top 100 names for comparison:
    http://www.cognomix.it/top100_cognomi_italia.php


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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    When the question of surnames comes up I normally first check the compendium put together by the University of Genova which is based on the Italian white pages. The downside is that it doesn't tell you origin and you will often find "southern" surnames, for example, scattered throughout the north because of recent migration, as in this case. Usually, however, you can still see by the concentrations where the name probably originated.

    http://www.gens.info/italia/it/turis...9#.WEGZT_krKyI
    This link is interesting. My grandfather came from Frosinone in Lazio, but my AncestryDNA matches on his line are heavily in L'Aquila which is northeast of Frosinone. So, when I checked this link, his surname, Capanna, is common in L'Aquila, but not Frosinone. (He really came from there, we know the relatives.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eochaidh View Post
    This link is interesting. My grandfather came from Frosinone in Lazio, but my AncestryDNA matches on his line are heavily in L'Aquila which is northeast of Frosinone. So, when I checked this link, his surname, Capanna, is common in L'Aquila, but not Frosinone. (He really came from there, we know the relatives.)


    Eochaidh, this is what the site on the origin of Italian surnames says about "Capanna".

    "Capanna ha un piccolo ceppo tra riminese e pesarese, uno a Genova, uno a Livorno, ma il ceppo più consistente è a Roma e nel romano con buone presenze anche nell'aquilano, nel teramano, nel'ascolano e nel reatino"."

    Capanna has a small branch between Rimini and Pesaro, one at Genova, one at Livorno, but the most sizable branch is in Rome and the Romano, with a good presence also around L'Aquila, Teramo, Ascoli, and Rieti.

    It seems from this that the name is wide spread all around Rome and the Abruzzi.
    http://www.mappadeicognomi.it/index....panna&s=Genera


    For all we know, the historical spread might have been from Rome into the Abruzzi.

    There are variations of the name all over Italy, for which the author has some interesting citations from historical documents.

    There's no conflict, really, with your ancestors from Frosinone bearing that name. There was some moving around of people within their own political unit or neighboring ones. As for your matches actually coming more from L'Aquila, it might mean that your particular branch moved from Aquila to Frosinone, or it might be a function of which people bearing your family name went to the U.S. and wound up getting tested.

    The only way to really know would be to trace that line.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    Puddu is a Sardinian origin name.

    Just for curiosity, what site told you that Puddu was in the top ten of Italian surnames? From the information I saw, it isn't even one of the top ten names in Sardegna.

    This is the Cognomix list of the top 100 names for comparison:
    http://www.cognomix.it/top100_cognomi_italia.php
    I followed the link above in Maciamo's first post - Puddu is currently showing up as the 4th most common surname in Italy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joey D View Post
    I followed the link above in Maciamo's first post - Puddu is currently showing up as the 4th most common surname in Italy.
    If you go back to that link I think you'll see that it's fourth on the list of most "requested" names, not fourth on the list of most "common" names.

    "I più richiesti

    1. Rossi2. Berlusconi3. Ferrari4. Puddu5. Esposito6. Russo7. Colombo8. Brambilla9. Greco10. Ricci




    I più diffusi in Italia

    1. Rossi2. Russo3. Ferrari4. Esposito5. Bianchi6. Romano7. Colombo8. Ricci9. Marino10. Greco

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