Albanians (OFFTOPIC Macedonians)
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YOU ARE MAKING YOUR SHELF REDICULOUS.
watch minute 5:05 That was the language Otto expected to hear.
and you come with an anekdote of a scholarship, who wrote the books for kids at elementary, and is full of jokes and smart stories to amαze the kids and you tell me what?
ANSWER MY QUESTION
DO YOU THINK PEOPLE ARE SO STUPID TO FIGHT OTTOMAN EMPIRE, IN THE NAME OF LIBERTY OF SOMEONE WHO DID NOT EXIST,
AND NOT ALSO THAT BUT CHANGE THEIR LANGUAGE TO AN UNKNOWN ONE?
pffffffffff
AND SINCE YOU CAN NOT UNDERSTAND
ΚΑΡΑΙΣΚΑΚΗΣ kara-Skje, in the Athens fight, Turks took metals from the monuments to make bullets,
KarasKakis show that, and went and asked from Arbanites to be the dealers with the Turks
he make a deal and gave Turks ammunitions, so they stop ruining the monuments,
Tell me!!!! what was so convising that Athens Arbanites had with Turks and they trust them, and not Allies fleet and Karaiskakis?
just wondering with funny stories you say,
what is fascinating in your post, is the minute 22:29,
Fantasting, even in 1922, we excance populations,
DID YOU?
I am sure you are a soldier in the team, so better stop,
let you commanders do the propaganda,
at least are you paid for such crup you write?
If you are interested in Truth about 1821 and after
THIS IS A GOOD MOVIE,
it is Ναυπλιον, the babylon of 1821,
the only one who is missing is the Pontic the Crimean and the Kappadokian Greeks,
Altoygh Greek Revolt started by Pontian Greeks
it si very funny the situation of 1830 indeed.
Ottoman turkish was still the major language of commerce.
the Peloponese leather merchant
the Cretan,
The Corfu/Zante, Italian/European dressing
The Scholars from Con/polis/
The Smyrnean, basturma eater
The Chiotes candy merchants
The Aromani Vlach
The Sarakatsani Mountaineers
The Arvanitan warlord
the Anapli lokanta
etc etc
the funny is that allthough they manage to understand each other,
NOBODY understand the ancient Greek min 28.14
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He was born on 3 April 1770 in the old Messina. Even in his young age, he was joined to the insurgents in mountains. He spent all of his life among Albanians, regardless if they were Muslims or Christians. Kolokotroni considered as his own brothers, Marko Bocari and Ali Farmaqi. Almost all of his followers were Albanians from Morea and Chameria. The nickname 'Kolokotron' is just a simple translation of Albanian expression "Bythëguri" (a word which is understood by every Albanian), and that title bore his grandfather. The surname of his family was in fact "Çergjini" ("Çer" in old Albanian means 'clever, intelligent, skillful', while 'Gjin' is an medieval Christian Albanian name).
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Greece: The Modern Sequel by Giannēs Koliopoulos and Thanos Veremē
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Page 72 of the book "Kolokotrones the klepht and warrior" is as follows;
oung Gianni Kolokotrones, who till then had been known by his baptismal name Gianni (John) only, here exchanged that name for Gennaios (brave), which was bestowed upon him by his fellow combatants and others for his heroic conduct in the field, and by which name alone he was ever afterwards called.
CHAPTER III.
IN the spring of 1808 Veli Pasha alarmed Ali Pharmakes by demanding that either he should deliver up his tower, or give himself or his son as a hostage into his hands. He was stirred up to this by Deligianni. Deligianni, not really desiring that Ali should even exist, told Veli that he must demolish his tower, and thus he would demolish all his strength. To Ali he said: " Do not go away, for Veli intends to kill thee." So Ali Pharmakes made preparations to oppose himself to Veli Pasha.
My grandfather, Gianni Kolokotrones, and the grandfather of Ali, had been friends and adopted brethren. My grandfather was killed, but the friendship was continued between my own father and the father of Ali; and we also were sworn friends. Remembering this friendship, and counting upon it, Ali wrote a letter to me to this effect:—
"dear Fellow-countryman,—Veli Pasha is making ready to destroy me—come, and give me your help."
An Albanian thief.
Celebrated as a Greek Hero.
You want more? And pls use some references.
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And My Favourite.
I wish there was video footage of this lol
OHPAHHHHHHH
the liberators of Greece…..Nine or ten of them performed the Albanian national dance, to the sound of a bad fiddle and a little jingling guitar played with a quill, for the amusement of her Majesty, who did not seem enchanted with this exhibition….these men, who were exposing themselves in this absurd manner, were the far-famed Colocotroni, Nikitas, surnamed the Turkophagos, or Turk-eater, Makryani, Vasso of Montenegro, Kota Botzaris,, and others equally celebrated…….this was merely the dance of the Albanians, a totally distinct race of men from the Greeks. (Blackwood’s Magazine, XLIII)
"for the amusement of her Majesty" Queen of Greece.
Go and find an another greek hero, i know it`s difficult by i trust on you.
I wish there was video footage of this lol
OHPAHHHHHHH
the liberators of Greece…..Nine or ten of them performed the Albanian national dance, to the sound of a bad fiddle and a little jingling guitar played with a quill, for the amusement of her Majesty, who did not seem enchanted with this exhibition….these men, who were exposing themselves in this absurd manner, were the far-famed Colocotroni, Nikitas, surnamed the Turkophagos, or Turk-eater, Makryani, Vasso of Montenegro, Kota Botzaris,, and others equally celebrated…….this was merely the dance of the Albanians, a totally distinct race of men from the Greeks. (Blackwood’s Magazine, XLIII)
"for the amusement of her Majesty" Queen of Greece.
Go and find an another greek hero, i know it`s difficult by i trust on you.
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You want to speak about Karaiskaqi, OK. This video is in greek, can you translate pls? There are non greek members here. Also can you translate the surname Bithikotsis, pls?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thMH-JQ6gU8
Thank you.
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The so-called Greek Revolution was a civil war betwen albanians. I am not happy to say this but this is the truth. Other, more smart
benefited from this situation. Greece and Serbia are an experiment made by the Great Powers for geopolitical reasons. But if in the case of Serbia was the Pashiallik of Belgrade, in the case of Greece, there was neither the state nor the Greek nation. This experiment continue still today with FYROM, and maybe are trying to make the same with Kosova. But with Kosova is difficult because the albanian are an distinct race, not an mix of populations. That`s the story.
benefited from this situation. Greece and Serbia are an experiment made by the Great Powers for geopolitical reasons. But if in the case of Serbia was the Pashiallik of Belgrade, in the case of Greece, there was neither the state nor the Greek nation. This experiment continue still today with FYROM, and maybe are trying to make the same with Kosova. But with Kosova is difficult because the albanian are an distinct race, not an mix of populations. That`s the story.
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"whatever and whenever,
I even heard that Greek revolution started by Albanians!!!!!!
from someone that never read Greek modern History",
Thus began our discussion. Still continue with the same idea?
I even heard that Greek revolution started by Albanians!!!!!!
from someone that never read Greek modern History",
Thus began our discussion. Still continue with the same idea?
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STILL YOU ARE WRONG
WHY?
in your video say something about asking kapodistrias how many Turk were left in Morea?
answer before revolt >47 000 after non,
chamerians were Muslim so Turks,
remember in Messologgi
inside Greeks Arbanites outside Turk-Albans,
so go back, read again the Ioannina Argyrokastron case and return.
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First,it`s not my video. It`s an greek television production, SKAI.
Second, there are no Greeks Arbanites and Turk-Albans. There are Orthodox Albanian and Musslim Albanian, there are also Catholique Albanian. Those how can we call? Italian-Albanian?
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So back to the famous question made by King Otto: "Where are the greeks"?
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the civil war among Albanians stoped with Ali Pasa.
How many years later Greek revolt started,
and since you want it to say about whatever,
search Φιλικη Εταιρεια,
search the Makedonian revolt in 1821
search The ΝΑΟΥΣΑ Revolt
search the Kαρατασσος
search the Παππας,
search the revolt in MoldoWallchia principals
ALL same time with strategic moves,
AND YOU STILL DID NOT ANSWER ME,
WHY TURKS TRUSTED THE ATHENS ARBANITES IN THE KARA-SKJE case?
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About Kolokotronis etnicity, evrything clear? And about the the killing of Karaiskaqi did you translate the video?
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YOU ARE NOT ONLY FUNNY,
LETS SEE WHAT KOLOKOTRONIS WROTE ABOUT HIMSHELF
'Εις τον καιρόν του Μπότσικα εμβήκαν οι Τούρκοι εις Μοριά. Οι Χρυσοβιτσιώται, Λιμποβιτσιώται και οι Αρκουροδεματίται επήγαν και επολέμησαν εις του Ντάρα τον Πύργο 6000 Τούρκους. Αυτοί εχαλάσθησαν και εγλύτωσεν ο Μπότσικας. Αυτός είχε ένα παιδί, Γιάννη, και ένας Αρβανίτης είπε: "βρε, τι Μπιθεκούρας είναι αυτός!". Δηλαδή, πόσον ο κώλος του είναι σαν κοτρώνι, κι έτσι του έμεινε το όνομα Κολοκοτρώνης. Ο Μπότσικας εσκοτώθη, ο Γιάννης εκρεμάσθη εις την Ανδρούσαν. Ώστε από τα 1553, όπου εφάνηκαν εις τα μέρη μας οι Τούρκοι, ποτέ τους δε τους αναγνώρισαν, αλλ΄ ήσαν εις αιώνιον πόλεμον. '
where it is saying he was Albanian?
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Sometimes my friend you have to use some references. I will made this. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Finlay is accepted by all as a serious scholar, let`s see what he had writen:
Mustfai Pasha assembled his army at Ochrida. It consisted of five thousand Mohammedan Guegs, and three thousand Catholic Miridits. These Catholics, who speak the Guegh dialect of the Albanian lan- guage, boast of their descent from the Christians who fought against the Turks under their national hero Skanderbeg, or George Castriot. But their hatred of the orthodox Greeks has long since bound them in a closer alliance with the Mussulman tribes in their neighbourhood, than with any body of Christians. On the present occasion, the Miridits formed the advanced guard of Mustai 's army. They upheld the military glory of their race, and ridiculed the vanity of the Greeks, who attempted to filch from them the glory of Skanderbeg. The Greeks made no preparations to oppose Mustai. Mavrocordatos had quitted Mesolonghi. While he re- mained there, he concentrated in his own person the three ofl&ces of President of Greece, Governor-General of the Western Provinces, and Commander-in-Chief of the Etolian army; but when he departed he left three persons to execute the duties of commander-in-chief. This absurd arrangement would doubtless have created anarchy had it not already existed, and it tended to increase the disorders that already prevailed. Almost every chief, both in Etolia and Acamania, engaged in quarrels with his neighbours. Sometimes they fought in order to decide who should march to encounter Mustai 's army, and the prize of victory was liberty to stay at home and plunder the peasantry. In most cases their proceedings were an inexplicable enigma ; and their most intelligent countrymen could only tell strangers, what indeed was very evident without their communication, that the conduct of the captains and primates was mining the people. The advance of Mustai's army was signalised by one of the most brilUant exploits of the war. The first division of the Othoman force consisted of four thousand men, Catholics and Mussulmans, under the command of Djelaleddin Bey. It encamped in the valley of Karpenisi, near an abundant fountain of pure water, which forms a brook as it flows from its basin, shaded by a fine old willow-tree. At midnight on the 21st of August 1823 the orthodox Tosks surprised the camp of the Catholic and Mussulman Guegs. Marco Botzares, at the head of three hundred and fifty Suliots, broke into the midst of their enemies and rushed forward to slay the bey. The Othoman troops, roused from sleep, fled with precipitation, leaving their arms behind. Had the Greek captains descended with the armatoli of Etolia and Acarnania from the villages in which they were idly watching the flashes of the Suliot arms, they might have annihilated the Turkish force. But Greek envy sacrificed the Albanian hero. The bey of Ochrida had pitched his tent in a mandra or walled enclosure, built to protect beehives or young lambs from badgers and foxes. Botzares reached this wall, and, not finding the entrance, raised his head to look over it, in order to discover a means of entering it with his followers. The alarm had now roused Djelaleddin^s veterans, who were familiar with nocturnal surprises. Several were on the watch when the head of Botzares rose above the wall, and showed itself marked on the grey sky ; a ball immediately pierced his brain, and the Suliots took up his body. The affair at Karpenisi is one of the examples of the secondary part which the rival dominant races of Othomans and Greeks often bore in the war of the Greek Kevolution. The Othomans who accompanied the army of Mustai were still in the plain of Thessaly. The Greeks were encamped idly on the hills. The battle was fought between the Catholic Guegs and the orthodox Tosks. The troops of Djelaleddin remained in possession of the field of battle, and buried their dead on the spot. Two English travellers who passed the place during the following summer saw a number of small wooden crosses fixed over tlie graves of the Miridits. George FinlayA History of Greece from the Roman Conquest to the Present Time https://archive.org/stream/historygreekrev00finlgoog/historygreekrev00finlgoog_djvu.txt
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First, try to translate in english.
Second, in one of my posts i made you an question where he wrote his memories, before entering in prison ore after? Before they kill him, poison him and imprison people closest, his wartime comrades, all arvaniti hero, or after?
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http://ellistoria.blogspot.gr/2010/09/blog-post_8689.html
his memories
Ο πατέρας μου σκοτώθηκε με δυο του αδέλφια, Αποστόλη και Γεώργη, ο ένας εις τον λόγγον, ο άλλος μοναχός του, διατί ελαβώθηκε. Εγλύτωσαν ένας μπάρμπας μου, Αναγνώστης, από τους κλεισμένους τέσσαρους αδελφούς Κολοκοτρώνη. Εγώ, η μάννα μου, η αδελφή μου εγλύτωσαν με τα παληκάρια του πατέρα μου.
his family names
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What is this?
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I can understand your problem but i can not help. I posted a long list by various authors, and you post an amator blogger, in greek so? I posted an documentary made by an important greek television, and you post humor greek movie. This are your references?
I invite, sorry contrary, i challenge other greek members to discuss with me. You can not hold this discussion, i am sorry.
I invite, sorry contrary, i challenge other greek members to discuss with me. You can not hold this discussion, i am sorry.
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Do you make any sence?
First you tell us no Greeks,
second you tell us it was Greek revolt was Albanian civil war,
now lat you tell us about Finlay,
what I see here?
Finley say the Greeks? WOWOWOWOWOW
how come to believe you,
you make kolokotronis which is a Greek word an Albanian, although in his memories say other,
Lets see what else you have to say?
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Curios the greek humor movie is with subs in Portugese language??????
Come on.
Come on.
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