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    Quote Originally Posted by King Bardhyl View Post
    http://www.mani.org.gr/istor/klad2/kladas_arthro.htm
    Ο Κροκόδειλος (Κορκόδειλος-Κορκόντηλος-Ακροκόνδυλος) Κλαδάς (1425-1490) καταγόταν από τη Χιμάρα της Β. Ηπείρου και ήταν αλβανικής καταγωγής.

    translate:
    Crocodilos Kladas (1425-1490) was originary from Himara, North Epir (South Albania) and was an albanian.

    oh really?

    read this,
    any differences?

    http://www.livepedia.gr/index.php/%C...BB%CE%BF%CF%82

    simply the same article, except what? i wonder who added and for what?
    Θεοδωρος Κλαδας came from N Epirus Chimara, and I do not see any Albanian origin.

    AT LEAST MINE HAS A SIGNATURE, yours?

    in fact better look this
    Αρχαία ιστορικά γεγονότα της οικογενείας των κομήτων Κλαδαίων από τα 1336 μέχρι τα 1830, Αθήνα 1872

    besides I am searching the Kastrioti letters now, there is a publish about his grand father letters that is 'good' for you to see,
    ΟΘΕΝ ΑΙΔΩΣ OY EINAI
    ΑΤΗ ΛΑΜΒΑΝΕΙΝ ΑΥΤΟΙΣ
    ΥΒΡΙΣ ΓΕΝΝΑΤΑΙ
    ΝΕΜΕΣΙΣ ΚΑΙ ΤΙΣΗ ΑΚΟΛΟΥΘΟΥΣΙ ΔΕ

    When there is no shame
    Divine blindness conquers them
    Hybris (abuse, opprombium) is born
    Nemesis and punishment follows.

    Εχε υπομονη Ηρωα
    Η τιμωρια δεν αργει.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yetos View Post
    oh really?

    read this,
    any differences?

    http://www.livepedia.gr/index.php/%C...BB%CE%BF%CF%82

    simply the same article, except what? i wonder who added and for what?
    Θεοδωρος Κλαδας came from N Epirus Chimara, and I do not see any Albanian origin.

    AT LEAST MINE HAS A SIGNATURE, yours?

    in fact better look this
    Αρχαία ιστορικά γεγονότα της οικογενείας των κομήτων Κλαδαίων από τα 1336 μέχρι τα 1830, Αθήνα 1872

    besides I am searching the Kastrioti letters now, there is a publish about his grand father letters that is 'good' for you to see,
    αλβανικής καταγωγής = albanian origin,more clear?
    Who added? An Manioti.
    http://www.mani.org.gr/istor/klad2/kladas_arthro.htm.
    About Scanderbeg, don`t be funny. There can not be built your nation's history stealing other countries' personality.




    Must be satisfied that we brought you freedom.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hilandar
    In 1426 Gjon Kastrioti, an Albanian lord, and his three sons (one of whom was Skanderbeg) donated the right to the proceeds from taxes collected from the two villages of Rostuša and Trebište (in Macedonia) and from the church of Saint Mary, which was in one of them, to the Hilandar where his son Reposh retired and died on 25 July 1431: in his honor the Tower of St. George of Hilandar was known as the "Albanian tower" (Serbian: Arbanaški pirg).[3][4]

    And read this letters:
    The letter to Skanderbeg:
    Giovanni Antonio, Prince of Taranto, to Georgia Albanese, greeting.
    (Conveniva a te?), that the luck you had shown in the war with the enemies of the Christian religion, which sometimes had forced combat, then leaving that field, you came to Italy to drive your armies against Christians? What cause do you hold against me? What have I done against you? What controversies do they make between us?
    You have spoiled my territories and are crudely giving vent against my subjects, and first you have (mosso?) the war that (proposta?). You boast that you are a great warrior for the Christian religion and (pur?) yet you persecute this (geate?) which for every reason is called Christianity. You have turned your iron against the French of the Kingdom of Sicily. Perhaps you have thought to take the army against the effeminate Turks that you are accustomed to wounding in the back.
    You will find other men who all support your proud appearance (?) and no one will avoid your face. Our Italian soldiers will challenge you very well and have no fear of the Albanese. We already know your generation and respect the Albanese like sheep, and it is an embarrassment to have such cowardly people for enemies; (ne?) would you have embarked on such a business if you had stayed to dwell in your house.
    You have avoided the onslaught of the Turks, and not having the power to defend your own house, have thought to invade other peopled s. You are deceitful. Instead of a new house you are looking for your grave.
    Goodbye......
    Letter from Skanderbeg to the Prince of Taranto:
    Giorgio, gentleman of Albania, to Giovanni Antonio, Prince ofTaranto, greeting.
    Having made a truce with the enemy of my religion I have not wanted that my friend remain (fraudato) of my aid. (Spesse?) times, Alfonso, his father, invited my help while I waged war against the Turks. Therefore I would be very ungrateful if I had not resisted (lOistesso?) service to his son. I remember what your king did because now (non deve vedere succedergli?) this who is his son? You adored his father, and why now do you try to throw out his son? Where did this power come from? Who has the power to setup the King of Sicily, you or the Roman Pontiff?
    I came to aid Ferrante, son of the king and seat of the Apostolica. I came opposing your unfaithfulness and innumerable great betrayals in this kingdom. (Ned?) will you ever be unpunished for your perjury. This is the reason for my war against you. I merit this no less than I merited making war against the Turks, nor are you less Turk than them. (Imperocche vi sono alcuni?) that guide you in a straight line not to be of some sect. You my opponents the French and the names of those people, and those for the religion wage grand war.
    I do not want to dispute ancient matters with you, matters that perhaps were much less than what was told about them. Certainly in our times the Aragonese armadas have often coursed the Aegean Sea, have plundered the Turkish coasts, have (riportata?) the prey of the enemies; and even today the Aragonese armies defend Trojafrom the jaws of the enemy. Why do I remember the old things and leave the new parts? If they change the family costumes and the plowmen of the kingdom, and the kings of the plowmen return? (Ne troverai nobilita piu antica della virtu.)
    Nor can I deny that you are not with the obnoxious French nation, (imperocche) you being mainly in aid of King Alfonso, you hunted the French of this kingdom. I do not know now what new virtue shines in this. Perhaps it is some new star that you have now seen among the French?
    Moreover, you scorned our people, and compared the Albanese to sheep, and according to your custom think of us with insults. Nor have you shown yourself to have any knowledge of my race. My elders were from Epirus, where this Pirro came from, whose force could scarcely support the Romans. This Pirro, who Taranto and many other places of Italy held back with armies.

    I do not have to speak for the Epiroti. They are very much stronger men than your Tarantini, a species of wet men who are born only to fish. If you want to say that Albania is part of Macedonia I would concede that a lot more of our ancestors were nobles who went as far as India under Alexander the Great and defeated all those peoples with incredible difficulty. From those men come these who you called sheep. But the nature of things is not changed. Why do your men run away in the faces of sheep?

    In the past the Albanese have (fatto?) experience if the Pugilese were armed; (neO) I would again find some who would have been able to aspired to my nature. I have well noted from the back how many of your soldiers are well armed but have never been able to see their helmets or (tanpoco?) the face except those that have become prisoners. (NeO?) I seek your house (Bastandomi?) my own. Besides, it is well known that you often would have shot your neighbors for their possessions, as now you would force out the king of your house and your kingdom.
    (Che se?) If I fall in the difficult task I have embarked on I will be buried as (mivai?) wishing in your letter, will bring back my soul as a reward from the Chancellor of the universe, of God. Not only will I have perfected my intention, but also I will have planned and attempted some distinguished deed.
    Good bye....

    To kseris afto?















    IF OUR CHRONICLES DO NOT LIE, WE CALL OURSELVES AS EPIROTES!

    GJERGJ KASTRIOTI SCANDERBEG

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