Is there any difference between Kosovo Albanians and Albanians from Albania?

[Bergin]

Funny coincidence:
I went to Corsica for a conference, in a small town called Cargese. While talking with a bar owner I told him of being Albanian. He told me that the priest of the town was Albanian. There were two churches, a catholic and an orthodox one, but just one and the same priest. Still makes me smile when I remember it.

 

[Yetos]

Cargese is Greek village Καρυοπολις from Magne at 1600-1700 about

its full name Cargese la Grecque

Paomia Pancone Corone Salici Rontolino Mt Rosso etc

Ajaccio Αιακιον are ancient Greek colonies

 

[ihype02]

Albanians seem closer to Greeks than to Albanians from Kosovo. I think that Albanians will be even more closer to Greeks if the Ghegs from Northern Albania and the Tosks south of the Drin riven (Greek historical cultural sphere) will be categorized seperately.

The tosks are probably descendants of Greeks or of tribes who did not call themselves Greeks, but did share common decent with them in pre-history. Probably both could apply.

It also makes sense based on what albanologist Dr. Kaplan Resuli had to say about Albanians: - When Albania is proclaimed and recognised as an independent nation (1912-1913) its population numbered 700,000 of which hardly 50% were Albanians, while the other half was made up of Vlachs (around 20%), “Slavs” (Macedonians, Serbs, Montenegrins, around 15%),Greeks (around5%) and others (Turks, Roms, Cherkesians, Italians, Jews and others, around 10%). With the passing of time, mostly by force, with denial of all national rights, including the right to speak in their own languages at home, or to carry their own national family names, they are to a certain extent assimilated. But, even besides the such forced albanisation, in Albania even today over 30% of the population speaks a non albanian language and retains its non albanian national identity, although they are registered as Albanians, as they are not permitted to declare differently. The non albanian origins of the population of Albania is also evident from their surnames Bello, Blushi, Bogdani, Buda, Budi, Dida, Dobraci, Dragovoja, Dragusha, Haveri(ch), Kapisuzi(ch), Mexi, Millani, Milloshi, Mojsiu, Muzaka, Najdeni, Peku, Prela, Ruka, Sillil, Shkura, Shundi, Ziu and many others.

So the first point to make is that the ancestors of the Albanians were very few in numbers only a century ago. Just 700.000 of which half of them were actually not Albanians. North of the Drin river there were 15% of South Slavs (more I1 and I2b) and South of the Drin river there were at least 25% Vlachs and Greeks. The Vlachs are probably very close to the Greeks and the rest of Southern Albanians genetically because they are Latinised indigenous Balkanian tribes who historically were either Greek or related to the Greeks.

The last Ottoman census, conducted in 1908, counted 128,000 Orthodox Christians and 95,000 Muslims in the region. Of the Orthodox population, an estimated 30,000 to 47,000 spoke Greek exclusively [23% to 36%]. The rest of the Orthodox community spoke an Albanian patois at home, but was literate only in Greek, which was used in cultural, trading and economic activities


http://www.uni-koeln.de/jur-fak/ostrecht/minderheitenschutz/Vortraege/Albanien/Albanien_Stoppel.pdf
Page 10 and 11.
Total Greek Orthodox population of Northern Epirus: 13% to 22%.


Some Greeks from Northern Epirus:
Ioannis Chalkeus - (Vlach: Joan Chalkeus)
Daniel of Moscopole - (Vlach: Daniil Moscopoleanu)
Theodore Kavalliotis - Teodor Kavalioti (Vlach)
Konstantinos Tzechanis - Constantinus Tzechani (Vlach)
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Dimitri Nanopoulos - From a Vlach family of Northern Epirus. (Physicist. He is one of the most regularly cited researchers in the world, cited more than 43,200 times over across a number of separate branches of science.)
Evangelis Zappas (1800?1865) - Vlach
Konstantinos Zappas (1814?1892) -Vlach
George Tenet, former Director of CIA - Albanian
Panagiotis Kone - Albanian
Petros Zappas - Vlach surname.
Nektarios Terpos - Vlach etc.
Plenty of others I can find.

 

[LABERIA]

The last Ottoman census, conducted in 1908, counted 128,000 Orthodox Christians and 95,000 Muslims in the region. Of the Orthodox population, an estimated 30,000 to 47,000 spoke Greek exclusively [23% to 36%]. The rest of the Orthodox community spoke an Albanian patois at home, but was literate only in Greek, which was used in cultural, trading and economic activities
http://www.uni-koeln.de/jur-fak/ostrecht/minderheitenschutz/Vortraege/Albanien/Albanien_Stoppel.pdf
Page 10 and 11.
Total Greek Orthodox population of Northern Epirus: 13% to 22%.
Some Greeks from Northern Epirus:
Ioannis Chalkeus - (Vlach: Joan Chalkeus)
Daniel of Moscopole - (Vlach: Daniil Moscopoleanu)
Theodore Kavalliotis - Teodor Kavalioti (Vlach)
Konstantinos Tzechanis - Constantinus Tzechani (Vlach)
---
Dimitri Nanopoulos - From a Vlach family of Northern Epirus. (Physicist. He is one of the most regularly cited researchers in the world, cited more than 43,200 times over across a number of separate branches of science.)
Evangelis Zappas (1800�1865) - Vlach
Konstantinos Zappas (1814�1892) -Vlach
George Tenet, former Director of CIA - Albanian
Panagiotis Kone - Albanian
Petros Zappas - Vlach surname.
Nektarios Terpos - Vlach etc.
Plenty of others I can find.

No, Zappas, or better Zhapa because this is the correct surname, are Albanians.
And also the percentage of the Greek population is wrong.

 

[ihype02]

No, Zappas, or better Zhapa because this is the correct surname, are Albanians.
And also the percentage of the Greek population is wrong.

What percentage did Greek speakers (of Northern Epirus) made in 1908?

 

[Yetos]

No, Zappas, or better Zhapa because this is the correct surname, are Albanians.
And also the percentage of the Greek population is wrong.

Zappa is a Aromanian name,
and the move to Wallachia Romania at 1830 is a clear indicator, possibly of Megle-Vlach

his father's village has 580 Greek and Greco-Armani at Balkan wars and WW1.
even the name of the village as toponym is an indicator of Vlach language -ovo

 

[LABERIA]

Zappa is a Aromanian name,

The correct surname is Zhapa and not Zappa. It's useless to ask you if you have a source to prove your claim.

and the move to Wallachia Romania at 1830 is a clear indicator, possibly of Megle-Vlach

Educate yuourself:
Albanians of Romania

his father's village has 580 Greek and Greco-Armani at Balkan wars and WW1.
even the name of the village as toponym is an indicator of Vlach language -ovo

The name of his village is Labovë and is the village of:
Vangjel Meksi (1770–1821) was an Albanian physician, writer, and translator. One-time personal physician to Ali Pasha, the 19th-century Albanian ruler of the Pashalik of Yanina, Meksi produced the first translation of the New Testament into Albanian with the help and sponsorship of the British and Foreign Bible Society (BFBS).
Kristo Meksi (1849 - 1931) was an Albanian politician of the early 20th century. He was one of the signatories of Albanian Declaration of Independence^[1] and also one of the first Albanian diplomats.^[2]
Aleksandër Gabriel Meksi (born March 8, 1939) was the 28th Prime Minister^[1] of Albania from April 13, 1992, to March 11, 1997. A former archaeologist, he was the first person to be prime minister of Albania after the end of communist rule.^[2]


The Ghica family (Romanian: Ghica, Albanian: Gjika, Greek: Gikas, Γκίκαs) was a noble family active in Wallachia, Moldavia and in the Kingdom of Romania, between the 17th and 19th centuries. ^[1][2] The Ghicas also held the (agnatic) rank of Princes of the Holy Roman Empire (fürst), a title first bestowed upon Grigore II Ghica in 1673 by Leopold I.^{[citation needed]}
The family's origins is established to be Albanian by the Sturdza family of Moldavia whose patriarch Demetrios Sturdza is the authority on the Medieval Family Genealogies in Europe.[1] He writes that "His father[George Ghica's} was a certain Georgje Ghica, Albanian by birth, who livedn in Moldavia in the time of his companion , Basile the Wolf". At the end of the page he gives full account of this "Albanian' family and its contribute to Moldavia. Wiet, the French Counsel in Shkodra cites the 'Albanese Gjica, the compatriot of the Grand Vesir" per Adrianopoli letters 3 April 1658, Wien, the Austrian Chancellery. Likewise, the writer Dora d'Istria (1828–1888), a descendant, claimed that the family hailed from southern Albania,^[3] more specifically from Labovë e Madhe, where they had an estate.^[4][5] Albanologist Robert Elsie views the family as being of Albanian origin.^[6]

Yeto, how many times i have to repeat, don't be a liar. It`s not serious for an man of your age.
But let`s continue with Vangjel Zhapa, read your sources:

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But not only Zhapa, many and many others, even Zografi, the leader of "greeks" of South Albania was an Albanian.








Albanians not only liberated your country but also Albanians built Greece with their money.









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[LABERIA]

Edit.
The Albanian word for skin is lëkurë, but also is used as a synonymous, zhapa.

LËKURË f. sh.

1. Shtresë e hollë, që mbështjell trupin e njeriut ose të kafshëve;

Google tranlation

SKIN p. sh.

1. A thin layer that wraps the human or animal body;

ZHAPË f. sh
2. Lëkurë me një shtresë të hollë mishi

Google tranlation

SKIN p. sh.

2. Skin with a thin layer of meat;

Source:
http://www.fjalorshqip.com/

 

[LABERIA]

What percentage did Greek speakers (of Northern Epirus) made in 1908?

I don`t know how many greek speakers lived in South Albania in 1908, because Ottomans registred the populations on the basis of religion, not nationality. But at the end of communism, around the year 1990, about 60,000 Greeks lived in Albania.

 

[Yetos]

@ LABERIA

i do not read stupid pappers,


The Village name is Λαμποβο and as -ovo -avo is a mark of Vlach and Slavic toponyms (mostly -ava)
Lampovo
Metsovo
Tyrnavo


The same Village also was in revolt of Korytsa at 1914.
the census of 1913 give all Greek and mostly Aromani speaking.

want other family names of the village?
i can give you,

Enough with stupid papper like super-market advertizing.

The story of Moschopolites and rest Vlach and Greeks is written down.
come on, accept it, and many moschopolites and other N Epirotan Vlachs and Greeks live in the nearby area of me.
As for Romania, many Vlach and Greek moved there,
and you are reffering for Albanians (I doupt, probably Aromanians from Albania)
I must remind you that Greek revolt started there,
by a Pontic Greek, but the main captain was a Vlach whos origin was from N Epiros, who was married with a Vlacha of Serbia

plz man,
accept at least that Zappa was written with 2 pp
as it should be in Aromanian language,
and as was written in his 2 identity cards , Greek and Romanian.
Ευαγγελος Ζαππας, Evanghelie Zappa

the rest are just creating fog and mess stupid pappers

 

[LABERIA]

@ LABERIA

i do not read stupid pappers,


The Village name is Λαμποβο Lampovo and as -ovo -ova is a mark of Vlach and Slavic toponyms
Lampovo
Metsovo
Tyrnavo

The same Village also was in revolt of Korytsa at 1914.
the census of 1913 give all Greek and mostly Aromani speaking.

want other family names of the village?
i can give you,

Enough with stupid papper like super-market advertizing.

The story of Moschopolites and rest Vlach and Greeks is written down.
come on, accept it,

As for Romania, many Vlach and Greek moved there,
and you are reffering for Albanians
I must remind you that Greek revolt started there,
by a Moschopolis Vlach, who was married with a Vlacha of Serbia

plz man,
accept at least that Zappa was written with 2 pp

Yeto, how many times i have to repeat, don't be a liar. It`s not serious for an man of your age.

Of course, serious papers for you are Kaplan Burrovic.

And bonus for tonight:
Ioannis Kapodistrias

Count Ioannis Antonios Kapodistrias (10^{[1][2][3][4][5]} or 11 February 1776^[6][7][8] – 9 October 1831), sometimes anglicized as John Capodistrias (Greek: Κόμης Ιωάννης Αντώνιος Καποδίστριας Komis Ioannis Antonios Kapodistrias;^[8] Russian: граф Иоанн Каподистрия Graf Ioann Kapodistriya; Italian: Giovanni Antonio Capodistria Conte Capo d'Istria), was a Greek statesman who served as the Foreign Minister of the Russian Empire and was one of the most distinguished politicians and diplomats of Europe.^{[9][10][11][12]} After a long and distinguished career in European politics and diplomacy he was elected as the first head of state of independent Greece (1827–31). He is considered as the founder of the modern Greek state,^{[13][14][15][16]} and of Greek independence.^[17]

A Greek? Seriously?

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From your sources we read that he was a Lab from Gjirokater. How do you explain this Yetos?

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[Yetos]

Of course, serious papers for you are Kaplan Burrovic.

And bonus for tonight:
Ioannis Kapodistrias



A Greek? Seriously?

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From your sources we read that he was a Lab from Gjirokater. How do you explain this Yetos?

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LABERIA

STOP STUPID POST AND FAKE NEWS

his name was Italian Capo d'Istria.
and his origins are from both Corfu and Savoia,
He was ancestor of Count of Savoy,
and his family was in Libro d' oro,
If you do not know what needed to get to libro d' oro,
at least stop reading and posting FAKE NEWS.

his family was relative of Carolus Emmanuel 2nd of Savoy.
and his origins were from KOPER SLOVENIA (1679 Libro d' oro )
that is why his name is Capo d' Istria.

as for his mother, Γονεμη Family name is in Libro d' oro from 1606 AD
and connections with Venice and Corfu,

The rest are just another stupid advertising fake news like the ones pub gang has used to post us.

I suggest search and read better,
before you post us some stupid pappers, of an unknown stupid writer,
with an agenda.

the name is Italian name of Koper Slovenia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koper

Capodistria = Koper Slovenia

as you see the pappers you post are just inaccurate.
claiming of a house at 1878 that belong to Capo d' Istria.

 

[LABERIA]

LABERIA

STOP STUPID POST AND FAKE NEWS

his name was Italian Capo d'Istria.
and his origins are from both Corfu and Savoia,
He was ancestor of Count of Savoy,
and his family was in Libro d' oro,
If you do not know what needed to get to libro d' oro,
at least stop reading and posting FAKE NEWS.

his family was relative of Carolus Emmanuel 2nd of Savoy.
and his origins were from KOPER SLOVENIA
that is why his name is Capo d' Istria.

as for his mother, Γονεμη Family name is in Libro d' oro from 1606 AD
and connections with Venice and Corfu,

The rest are just another stupid advertising fake news like the ones pub gang has used to post us.

I suggest search and read better,
before you post us some stupid pappers, of an unknown stupid writer,
with an agenda.

 

[LABERIA]

FAKE NEWS

lol, Greeks invented fake news in XIX century.

 

[Yetos]

lol, Greeks invented fake news in XIX century.

you do nothing than more than provoke me,
with fake news and propagandistic Agenda,

and the Answer to you is,

HOW COME AN ITALIAN NOBLE WITH ORIGINAL FAMILY NAME VITTORI,
AND A GREEK CYPRIOT FAMILY,
WHO BOTH MOVED TO CRETE, at 16th century AND THEN CORFU
AND WERE IN LIBRO d' ORO,

CAN HAVE ANY CONNECTION WITH YOUR CLAIMS.

I THINK all you do is just Fake News,
with the hope that if a simple lie can pass,
then surely more will be accepted,

SORRY,
I WILL NOT TAKE,
AS NOBODY ELSE.


I wonder how can this be happen,
an Italian, and a Cypriot, to make someone who was Albanian !!!!!!!

strange ideas appear only in strange minds

 

[LABERIA]

you do nothing than more than provoke me,
with fake news and propagandistic Agenda,

and the Answer to you is,

HOW COME AN ITALIAN NOBLE WITH ORIGINAL FAMILY NAME VITTORI,
AND A GREEK CYPRIOT FAMILY,
WHO BOTH MOVED TO CRETE, at 16th century AND THEN CORFU
AND WERE IN LIBRO d' ORO,

CAN HAVE ANY CONNECTION WITH YOUR CLAIMS.

I THINK all you do is just Fake News,
with the hope that if a simple lie can pass,
then surely more will be accepted,

SORRY,
I WILL NOT TAKE,
AS NOBODY ELSE.


I wonder how can this be happen,
an Italian, and a Cypriot, to make someone who was Albanian !!!!!!!

This is provocation Yetos:

Zappa is a Aromanian name,
and the move to Wallachia Romania at 1830 is a clear indicator, possibly of Megle-Vlach

his father's village has 580 Greek and Greco-Armani at Balkan wars and WW1.
even the name of the village as toponym is an indicator of Vlach language -ovo

 

[Yetos]

This is provocation Yetos:

No this is true,
search the name and the population of Lampovo at balkan wars and WW1, and then at the revolt of Korytsa,
There was a census at 1913.

as also Aromanian toponyms,
lampovo
metsovo
Tyrnavo,
Lehovo
etc etc
in fact they follow the Slavic-Vlach (Megle) compare Slavic toponym -ava

stop reading stupid pappers,
they only do you harm.

 

[LABERIA]

No this is true,
search the name and the population of Lampovo at balkan wars and WW1, and then at the revolt of Korytsa,
There was a census at 1913.

as also Aromanian toponyms,
lampovo
metsovo
Tyrnavo,
Lehovo
etc etc

stop reading stupid pappers,
they only do you harm.

I don`t intend to search nothing Yetos. The burden of proof is yours. This is a basic rule in a forum.
And show some respect for the greek authors. Stop calling them stupid.

 

[Yetos]

I don`t intend to search nothing Yetos. The burden of proof is yours. This is a basic rule in a forum.
And show some respect for the greek authors. Stop calling them stupid.

i do not intent to show respect to false pappers,
and fake news,
sometimes I may pass a lot,
and even I post something stupid sometimes,

but we exchange knowledge,
we do not stay in stupidity,

as for the way of proof,
THERE ARE 2 KINDS OF AUTHORS,
THE ONES WHO DO NOT SELL BECAUSE THEY PUBLISH CORRECT,
THE ONES WHO SELL CAUSE THEY WRITE WHATEVER THE BUYER WANTS TO LISTEN.

 

[LABERIA]

i do not intent to show respect to false pappers,
and fake news,
sometimes I may pass a lot,
and even I post something stupid sometimes,

but we exchange knowledge,
we do not stay in stupidity,

as for the way of proof,
THERE ARE 2 KINDS OF AUTHORS,
THE ONES WHO DO NOT SELL BECAUSE THEY PUBLISH CORRECT,
THE ONES WHO SELL CAUSE THEY WRITE WHATEVER THE BUYER WANTS TO LISTEN.

You have to show respect for the rules of this forum, for the members and for everyone who read your post. Not some, but every single of your posts is stupid. You are the number one poster in this thread, with 32 posts. Show us a single post of these 32 that is worth reading. And not only in this thread, in every thread about Albania and Albanians it's the same story with, from many years now.
Get a life.