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    I've read somewhere a few years ago that this person was I2a1b


    411px-Horthy_the_regent.jpg

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikl%C3%B3s_Horthy

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    Y-DNA haplogroup
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gosh View Post
    I've read somewhere a few years ago that this person was I2a1b


    411px-Horthy_the_regent.jpg

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikl%C3%B3s_Horthy
    Do you know where you read that? I can find a good family tree, but no Horthy sample anywhere (YSearch, I2a Project, 23andMe...)

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    Quote Originally Posted by sparkey View Post
    Do you know where you read that? I can find a good family tree, but no Horthy sample anywhere (YSearch, I2a Project, 23andMe...)
    Obviously I have a good memory ))))

    Bad thing is that site is in Russian )))


    http://forum.molgen.org/index.php/topic,57.0.html

    Heres' a Horthy's tree
    http://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horthy_csal%C3%A1d

    and here's a comparison table which made Vadim Verenich :

    http://forum.molgen.org/index.php?ac....0;attach=2664

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    Although they don't indicate the source of the information. I'm acquainted with Vadim and will ask him about it.

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    Interesting. Per Google Translate, someone is claiming:

    Quote Originally Posted by I2a1a
    Haplotype child side branch Horty Nagy (Nagy-Horthy) compared to my (match 17/20)
    That would do it, we just need a source of the sample, and hopefully the STRs too so that we can see which subclade Horthy was. I think he'd leap to #1 most famous known I2 carrier, or at least compete for it with Hannibal Hamlin (I don't know how famous Hamlin is outside of the USA).

    They also list some others I haven't brought up yet on that thread at MolGen. I would appreciate any input on: (1) How famous these people are (Yegor Titov, Andrei Makarevich, etc.) and (2) How we know that they're I2.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gosh View Post
    and here's a comparison table which made Vadim Verenich :

    http://forum.molgen.org/index.php?ac....0;attach=2664
    I can't view it without signing up for the site, can you upload it here?

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    Minor update while I wait on Horthy: Added Bigfoot Wallace, the Texas Ranger. I also investigated claims that Lew Wallace is on the same line as him, but found that they've been discredited.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sparkey View Post
    I can't view it without signing up for the site, can you upload it here?
    Here it is.....

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    That would do it, we just need a source of the sample, and hopefully the STRs too so that we can see which subclade Horthy was. I think he'd leap to #1 most famous known I2 carrier, or at least compete for it with Hannibal Hamlin (I don't know how famous Hamlin is outside of the USA).
    Yes it was an important historical personality #1 for sure.

    But, there's another one candidate for #1. It is one of the greatest scientists in human's history. Mr Nikola Tesla.
    Tesla3.jpg



    They also list some others I haven't brought up yet on that thread at MolGen. I would appreciate any input on: (1) How famous these people are (Yegor Titov, Andrei Makarevich, etc.) and (2) How we know that they're I2.
    Well they are enough popular to be on the Russian list ))) Yegor Titov was a popular footbal player and captain of Russian national soccer team.

    Makarevich was one of the first rock musician in SSSR. He's quite famous person.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrey_Makarevich

    Buldakov is a famous acter:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexey_Buldakov

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    Update: Added Miklos Horthy! I'm looking now for additional confirmation of Yegor Titov, Andrei Makarevich, Alexey Buldakov, and especially:

    Quote Originally Posted by Gosh View Post
    Mr Nikola Tesla.
    Tesla3.jpg
    How certain are we that the cousins of these folks who tested are actually related to these folks? And where are the STR and/or SNP values?

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    I have listed three of the most prominent members identified so far on the Haplogroup I2 page and linked back to this thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sparkey View Post
    Update: Added Miklos Horthy! I'm looking now for additional confirmation of Yegor Titov, Andrei Makarevich, Alexey Buldakov, and especially:



    How certain are we that the cousins of these folks who tested are actually related to these folks? And where are the STR and/or SNP values?
    Well it isn't always the most reliable method but in some cases it is the only possible.

    Sparkey, you'd have to talk about that things with Vadim Verenitz who is a prominent person in investigating of I2 haplogroup. He's an author of that information from the site mentioned above.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gosh View Post
    Sparkey, you'd have to talk about that things with Vadim Verenitz who is a prominent person in investigating of I2 haplogroup. He's an author of that information from the site mentioned above.
    Sure, I can talk to him at some point. Would he know about Tesla though? I don't remember seeing Tesla mentioned on MolGen (it isn't loading for me right now so maybe I just missed it). Where did you find out about Tesla being I2? He's the one I really want to confirm now.

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    Update: Added theologian John H. Yoder and a collage!

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    Though it is unlikely to be connected solely to their Y-dna, I find the facial correspondences among the men in your collage remarkable (lower cheek, mouth).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sennevini View Post
    Though it is unlikely to be connected solely to their Y-dna, I find the facial correspondences among the men in your collage remarkable (lower cheek, mouth).
    I don't normally subscribe to haplogroups-determining-phenotypes hypotheses, but it's worth exploring. Do you think the phenotypes become even closer if we narrow down to subclades?:


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    Update: Big find! Added Sir Henry Clinton.

    Fun fact: The closest match on ySearch to Sir Henry Clinton's descendant is a relative of Henry Luce.

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    Lot of military related folks :) must be a genetic trait ;)

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    Quote Originally Posted by sparkey View Post
    Sure, I can talk to him at some point. Would he know about Tesla though? I don't remember seeing Tesla mentioned on MolGen (it isn't loading for me right now so maybe I just missed it). Where did you find out about Tesla being I2? He's the one I really want to confirm now.
    Well
    I can't remember where I've read about that but some guy wrote that he is an I2 (according to some his relatives).
    he didn't left children so it would be hard to determine his haplogroup.

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    Update: Added Buldakov, Makarevich, and Titov, after confirming with Vadim Verenich that they all tested personally via either Genis or NG, and all were I2a-Din-N. No confirmation on Tesla yet, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kardu View Post
    Lot of military related folks :) must be a genetic trait ;)
    It would be even much more when we get some more data about south Slavs. They enjoy to fight between themselves :)

    The best warriors from former Yugoslavia are exactly from the region with the highest percentage of I2.

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    Update: A fun one this time. Added Stephen Colbert.

    Current subclade breakdown:
    I2a1b (L178+): 7
    I2a2a (M223+): 4
    I2c (L596+): 2

    Current ethnic origin breakdown:
    English: 4
    Russian: 3
    Cossack, Georgian, Hungarian, Irish, Scottish, Swiss: 1 each

    Still badly unrepresented are I2a1a folk and South Slavs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sparkey View Post
    Update: A fun one this time. Added Stephen Colbert.

    Current subclade breakdown:
    I2a1b (L178+): 7
    I2a2a (M223+): 4
    I2c (L596+): 2

    Current ethnic origin breakdown:
    English: 4
    Russian: 3
    Cossack, Georgian, Hungarian, Irish, Scottish, Swiss: 1 each

    Still badly unrepresented are I2a1a folk and South Slavs.
    I thought Stephen Colbert was r1b? He had Spencer Wells on his show one time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by inver2b1 View Post
    I thought Stephen Colbert was r1b? He had Spencer Wells on his show one time.
    His mtDNA was directly tested on that show, and he turned out to carry mtDNA haplogroup K. His Y-DNA wasn't mentioned.

    Admitted, a single proven 4th cousin (and some suspected 5th cousins also getting the I2a-Isles) is somewhat shaky ground, but the genealogy looks pretty solid. I'm comparing the tester's tree here with Stephen's tree here. Of course, there could be a wrong step in the genealogy somewhere, or a NPE, so if you've got the results from a direct Y-DNA test of Stephen somewhere and it contradicts me, I'll take him off the list.

    But otherwise, I'm pretty sure he's I2a-Isles.

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    Apologies, my mistake. I thought I read he was R1b somewhere but after searching I can't find anything to back it up. It's strange Wells only gave him his mtDNA result on the show.
    Cool find.

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