joechill01
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- Y-DNA haplogroup
- R1b1a2a1a1b*
- mtDNA haplogroup
- U5b1b1
As far as tests go I have only done 23andme, much to my disappointment once I found out that they don't really go into great depths as far as R1b subclades go. I have been labeled as R1b1b2a1a but thanks to their Haplogroup Tree Mutation Mapper program I was able to test each one of my SNP's in more depth. R1b's are simplistically broken-up into two branches: P312 (Italo-Celtic) and U106 (Germanic), I have tested negative for both but some feature called the dbSNP Orientation says that between the two I have a "plus" in the U106 while a "minus" for P312. What does that actually mean? That my genotypes are more inclined to one side than the other?
Maybe I'm splitting hairs but as I kept testing for more SNP's I found myself matching for subclades deeper in both branches. I have been tested positive for M222, L20 and S47 on the P312 side while on the U106 I was positive for U198 and L47. So am I U106 and P312 negative because I fall into another sibling branch? Who knows if I can hit any other subclades as 23andme uses RefSNP's so finding the Rs sequence for them is very limited so if you all know of links or databases please post them.
This is where I get confused...M222 and U198 are rare and can be found within restricted borders such as North Ireland and West Scotland for M222; South England and Northern Germany for U198. I have read in other websites that M222 can be traced to Irish high-king Niall of the Nine Hostages while U198 can be assumed to be Anglo-Saxons (I disagree there as I believe they were straight-up Saxons). So how can I be both Y subclades? Does my MtDNA go into account here? My MtDNA is U5b1b1 which is tied to the Saami people of Scandinavia, if so then it might explain why I am also positive for some I haplogroup makers such as M307, P30, M26, M426 and P40. But I don't think the MtDNA plays such an important factor in defining a Y haplogroup but I could be wrong. The idea of my ancestors starting around the Alps and slowly moving up and mixing with local Nordic tribes to forum the Germanic R1b only to run into their Gaelic cousins in England or Scotland while conquering sounds very possible to me.
I have also read that Niall himself wasn't M222 but rather his offspring started to carry the mutation later on after his death. Niall's father was somewhere from France while his mother was said to be a Saxon princess but was later thought to be a Breton. Could she be carrying the U198 mutation with her?
Or maybe it might have to do with the S46 and L47 mutation... As far as genetics go, Celts and Germanic people come from the same parent R haplogroup and maybe this S46 and L47 is some kind of link between the two people. I can only assume this because the lack of information I was unable to find of the two and am only guessing some connection because of the similar number as simplistic as that sounds.
I hope you can help me fit the puzzle pieces together and forum some tangible thesis for who my ancestors might have been.
Maybe I'm splitting hairs but as I kept testing for more SNP's I found myself matching for subclades deeper in both branches. I have been tested positive for M222, L20 and S47 on the P312 side while on the U106 I was positive for U198 and L47. So am I U106 and P312 negative because I fall into another sibling branch? Who knows if I can hit any other subclades as 23andme uses RefSNP's so finding the Rs sequence for them is very limited so if you all know of links or databases please post them.
This is where I get confused...M222 and U198 are rare and can be found within restricted borders such as North Ireland and West Scotland for M222; South England and Northern Germany for U198. I have read in other websites that M222 can be traced to Irish high-king Niall of the Nine Hostages while U198 can be assumed to be Anglo-Saxons (I disagree there as I believe they were straight-up Saxons). So how can I be both Y subclades? Does my MtDNA go into account here? My MtDNA is U5b1b1 which is tied to the Saami people of Scandinavia, if so then it might explain why I am also positive for some I haplogroup makers such as M307, P30, M26, M426 and P40. But I don't think the MtDNA plays such an important factor in defining a Y haplogroup but I could be wrong. The idea of my ancestors starting around the Alps and slowly moving up and mixing with local Nordic tribes to forum the Germanic R1b only to run into their Gaelic cousins in England or Scotland while conquering sounds very possible to me.
I have also read that Niall himself wasn't M222 but rather his offspring started to carry the mutation later on after his death. Niall's father was somewhere from France while his mother was said to be a Saxon princess but was later thought to be a Breton. Could she be carrying the U198 mutation with her?
Or maybe it might have to do with the S46 and L47 mutation... As far as genetics go, Celts and Germanic people come from the same parent R haplogroup and maybe this S46 and L47 is some kind of link between the two people. I can only assume this because the lack of information I was unable to find of the two and am only guessing some connection because of the similar number as simplistic as that sounds.
I hope you can help me fit the puzzle pieces together and forum some tangible thesis for who my ancestors might have been.