if there won't be any natural selection and natural borders in the future then it is only logical that humans will merge into one race. mixing is currently happening way too fast and there is no way that a new ethnicity could form.
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There still is natural selection, like kids loving people will always have more kids - others won't have any, but this is equal for all the races, so moot point.if there won't be any natural selection and natural borders in the future then it is only logical that humans will merge into one race. mixing is currently happening way too fast and there is no way that a new ethnicity could form.
if there won't be any natural selection and natural borders in the future then it is only logical that humans will merge into one race
What?!!! If one is right the other must be wrong. Believe it or not, Albanians are a construct of at least 3 different races of the past, mesolithic and neolithic. I dare you to find one unmixed Albanian. Can't find? This is how it is going to be with the whole world in distant future.If ever there is one standardized mulatto race produced, it would then have to be sustained by military force otherwise asymmetrical
developments in clusters would begin straight away.
What?!!! If one is right the other must be wrong. Believe it or not, Albanians are a construct of at least 3 different races of the past, mesolithic and neolithic. I dare you to find one unmixed Albanian. Can't find? This is how it is going to be with the whole world in distant future.
Unless there is some catastrophic event which causes everyone to migrate to a single location .Firstly i don't think Albanians are "unmixed."
I don't even understand what this means empirically/biologically and I don't understand where you got the impression that I was saying that.
Also Mesolithic/neolithic and the other 3rd race you didn't mention weren't pure unmixed races anyway.
What I was saying was that its an empirically and biologically incoherent idea that you can just mix individuals from all of the worlds ethnicities to create a single race.
The concept is flawed. There are thousands of factors.
By this: "If ever there is one standardized mulatto race produced,"
I meant that even in the impossible scenario that some government literally populates the world with 1 male and 1 female clone a billion times over (so that everyone is the
same genetically, same race), it will nonetheless require military repression and banning of voluntary reproduction otherwise clusters would develop assymnetrically in different
regions thus one "race" or "ethnicity" not being possible. The point of this comment was to say that even if it was possible it would need eternal maintanence otherwise assymetrical
mutation events in different individuals would undermine the "one race" over time anyway.
Just now we have a thread about how "fathers pass on 4 times as much genetic mutation as mothers."
This means that if you wanted to create a "new race or ethnicity" lets say randomly Albanians + Japanese. If you had two sample populations to experiment with of 10,000
participants each (5,000 Alb men and women and 5,000 Jap men and women) you would produce in my opinion 2 very different ethnicities in the
Alb Men Jap Women group compared to the Jap Men Alb Women group.
My point is genes are chaotic and dynamic and there will never reach a point of stasis where suddenly we are one race.
There you go. You can't recognize separate races Albanians are made of, and just after few thousand years. They are well mixed in then. This is what will happen to the whole world given few thousand years.Firstly i don't think Albanians are "unmixed."
I don't even understand what this means empirically/biologically and I don't understand where you got the impression that I was saying that.
Also Mesolithic/neolithic and the other 3rd race you didn't mention weren't pure unmixed races anyway.
There you go. You can't recognize separate races Albanians are made of, and just after few thousand years. They are well mixed in then. This is what will happen to the whole world given few thousand years.
phenotypes can persist after mixing, no problem with that. Notice that there is mixture of variety of phenotypes through Albania, but you don't have three distinct groups you can recognize, EEF, WHG and EHG.Except I recognise many different phenotypical tendencies or clusters in the albanian population. They are not one homogenous phenotype.
No terminology or serious research has been done in this regard but there are within the albanian population severy different "races"
that it is very easy to recognize. ( dinaric,med etc etc)
Yes, I can see genetic differences between Gheg and Tosk. It might have happen when part of Albanians got mixed with some newcomers, or other group close by got Albanised. Regardless, both are mixed of 3 ancestral main groups (plus extras) just in a bit different proportions. Same race anyway. Some differences could have also arisen in bottlenecking and separation in mountains.I never said albanians are one homogenous race. They are united by a shared history and language yet its very apparent that there exist all sorts of tendencies there.
The height difference between north and south alone is super apparent.
More and more people can travel freely around the world, also emigrating and immigrating on large scale. Old customs and arranged marriages coming to past, and freedom of personal choices is embraced. Racism and segregation is abolished and interracial mixing become socially acceptable.
Maybe the question should be if, but only when whole world becomes well mixed in single race?
Please post pictures of how you think well mixed individual of the world will look like.
Actually, all the genes of today's people (or almost all) will continue live throughout humankind, but mixed and scrambled in many of future people. For example, even though there is only 2% of Neandertal genes in each of us, there are not exactly the same in each of us. When we collect them from all people we can get about 50% of Neanderthal genome. So there will be one race, but very diverse phenotypicaly race.I think its possible. Ever wonder what the end result would be in the future? Assuming we become one big race, couldn't it possibly hit a stalemate?
What I mean is, the less genetically diverse a people the more likely they are susceptible to dying out.
Wouldn't it eventually come to a point that theres relatively no diversification of genes, making us weaker evolutionarily speaking? That is assuming we become one culture as well.
Firstly i don't think Albanians are "unmixed."
I don't even understand what this means empirically/biologically and I don't understand where you got the impression that I was saying that.
Also Mesolithic/neolithic and the other 3rd race you didn't mention weren't pure unmixed races anyway.
What I was saying was that its an empirically and biologically incoherent idea that you can just mix individuals from all of the worlds ethnicities to create a single race.
The concept is flawed. There are thousands of factors.
By this: "If ever there is one standardized mulatto race produced,"
I meant that even in the impossible scenario that some government literally populates the world with 1 male and 1 female clone a billion times over (so that everyone is the
same genetically, same race), it will nonetheless require military repression and banning of voluntary reproduction otherwise clusters would develop assymnetrically in different
regions thus one "race" or "ethnicity" not being possible. The point of this comment was to say that even if it was possible it would need eternal maintanence otherwise assymetrical
mutation events in different individuals would undermine the "one race" over time anyway.
Just now we have a thread about how "fathers pass on 4 times as much genetic mutation as mothers."
This means that if you wanted to create a "new race or ethnicity" lets say randomly Albanians + Japanese. If you had two sample populations to experiment with of 10,000
participants each (5,000 Alb men and women and 5,000 Jap men and women) you would produce in my opinion 2 very different ethnicities in the
Alb Men Jap Women group compared to the Jap Men Alb Women group.
My point is genes are chaotic and dynamic and there will never reach a point of stasis where suddenly we are one race.
Unless there is some catastrophic event which causes everyone to migrate to a single location .
I'm not trying to sound like an ass but if millions of European women migrated to Africa, natural selection would be in their favour , there are only 2 barriers between ethnic groups that keeps them from mixing and that is the language & cultural barrier.
During the 19 century Latin America made plans to reduce (ethnically cleanse) the African/negro population through inter-mixing, the politicians of Latin America advised the United States to do the same but instead the US freed their slaves.
From what I can remember the Latin American politicians saw their plans as being successful saying that the US will regret their actions or something like that.
Does this site espouse this outcome of Europeans, or is the question posed for a spicey forum debate? If I registered with this site to learn of European heritage, traditions and genetics, did I come to the wrong site when its Mods and Admins are "Citizens of the World" living in Canada, USA and Brazil, not Europe? This site markets itself as a European travel and heritage site but spends a lot of time per forum posts on population genetics and banning members for being too nationalistic. Travel for leisure generally derives from desire for diversity of national customs, architecture, cuisine, etc., not for one-world, one-race homogeneity. Genetics can significantly influence a nation's sense or heritage, i.e. Cheddar Man controversy, so clarity of underlying mission or goal would be appreciated.More and more people can travel freely around the world, also emigrating and immigrating on large scale. Old customs and arranged marriages coming to past, and freedom of personal choices is embraced. Racism and segregation is abolished and interracial mixing become socially acceptable.
Maybe the question should be if, but only when whole world becomes well mixed in single race?
Please post pictures of how you think well mixed individual of the world will look like.
Does this site espouse this outcome of Europeans, or is the question posed for a spicey forum debate? If I registered with this site to learn of European heritage, traditions and genetics, did I come to the wrong site when its Mods and Admins are "Citizens of the World" living in Canada, USA and Brazil, not Europe? This site markets itself as a European travel and heritage site but spends a lot of time per forum posts on population genetics and banning members for being too nationalistic. Travel for leisure generally derives from desire for diversity of national customs, architecture, cuisine, etc., not for one-world, one-race homogeneity. Genetics can significantly influence a nation's sense or heritage, i.e. Cheddar Man controversy, so clarity of underlying mission or goal would be appreciated.
Every semi-successful forum gets infiltrated with varying degrees of success.Does this site espouse this outcome of Europeans, or is the question posed for a spicey forum debate? If I registered with this site to learn of European heritage, traditions and genetics, did I come to the wrong site when its Mods and Admins are "Citizens of the World" living in Canada, USA and Brazil, not Europe? This site markets itself as a European travel and heritage site but spends a lot of time per forum posts on population genetics and banning members for being too nationalistic.
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