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Thread: Is the high Jewish frequency of hg G representative of the pre-Arabic Levant ?

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    no. Haplogroup G in jewfish people, what little of it that there is, is due to minor genetic influence from the Caucasus region, Georgia, Azerbaijan and Ossetians and other north Caucasus people's in particular descending towards the levant in small numbers

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    Hurrits and Kassits invaded Near-Eastern between beginning and half of 16° century BC - their origin seem in Caucasus and E-Anatolia - sure a deep analysis of Y-G downstreams would be wellcome but it is a possibility for some southern Y-G -
    and Shepharads spend a long time in the northern parts of Near Eastern-Levant, close to Armenia, and some of them showed big similarities with the Armenian phenotypical mix -

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    Yes G2 is from Caucasus if this is what you are trying to say

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    Quote Originally Posted by adamo View Post
    Yes G2 is from Caucasus if this is what you are trying to say
    Yes, as a whole - to explain the global high enough frequence -
    but in details, perhaps some Y-G subgroups were yet among the jews and other semitic people, even IF NOT AS A DOMINENT element of the population DNA - the global sketche remains the same nevertheless

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    Haplogroup G has its origin most likely in the Zagros or Mesopotamian area too.

    The only person with Haplogroup G* I know so far is a Kurd currently residing in Qatar on ftDNA.

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    Haplogroup G comes from haplogroup F (M89). F originated in southern Iraq and began moving northwards towards the Caucasus. Once near Georgia/Armenia, haplogroup G originated. One branch proceeded east penetrating deep into modern day Iran.the P15 branch proceeded west crossing turkey and ending up from Greece, to Italy, to Sardinia and a few rare parts of the alps. Today haplogroup G reaches its highest percentages in its Caucasus origin point, with the Ossetians and Georgians having highest percentages followed by Azeris and Armenians at much lower %. The next highest frequencies are in...Sardinia! (20%) and certain parts of southern Italy (10-15%).

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    Quote Originally Posted by adamo View Post
    Haplogroup G comes from haplogroup F (M89). F originated in southern Iraq and began moving northwards towards the Caucasus. Once near Georgia/Armenia, haplogroup G originated. One branch proceeded east penetrating deep into modern day Iran.the P15 branch proceeded west crossing turkey and ending up from Greece, to Italy, to Sardinia and a few rare parts of the alps. Today haplogroup G reaches its highest percentages in its Caucasus origin point, with the Ossetians and Georgians having highest percentages followed by Azeris and Armenians at much lower %. The next highest frequencies are in...Sardinia! (20%) and certain parts of southern Italy (10-15%).
    High Frequency /=/ place of origin. There is a study about this thematic. According to this study the more likely place of origin is either Transcaucasus, Iranian plateau or Anatolia/Mesopotamia.

    In (North) Caucasus most Haplogroup G are G2. While G1* and G2* is more present further south. Haplogroup G* is the parental clade of both.

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    No I'm pretty sure G first originated in the Caucasus and spread out from there towards Iran and another branch towards Europe.

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    In fact you are correct, G1 may have originated in Iran G2 probably originated in the Caucasus. It's amazing how the European landscape has changed so dramatically since the Neolithic when G seems to have dominated Europe but was replaced by other more successful haplogroups...reminds me of the "hg T in the Middle East" story.

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    wait and see: we have yet very few Y- ancient DNA for Great Europe (an for other places) -it's better for mt-DNA -
    the metric surveys concerning Neolithic in France and Mediterranea show very different landscapes according to places and the neolithical element was far to be the dominent one in more than a population - Mesolithic people were still there! even if a dominent population can impose more male DNA %, but I think agricultural people were not so patriarcal...
    the neolithic settlements which were studied were the most visible traces of life; surely some parallelic life hunter gatherers lived side by side with them but left less traces?!?...

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    There isn't a lot of Jews in Haplogroup G. Most belong to E or J1.
    Species adapt to their environment,
    and those who do so best (the fittest) survive and prosper the most.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fluffy View Post
    There isn't a lot of Jews in Haplogroup G. Most belong to E or J1.
    I'm R1a1a.

    I processed the 23andMe raw data through GEDMatch, and found which ethnicities my DNA is most closest to.

    besides Ashkenazi Jews, I am most closest to Sicilians, Greeks, Cypriots, Bulgarians, Romanians, Turks, Lebanese.

    this makes the most sense, as at one point 10% of the Roman Empire was Jewish, Jews were converting Roman citizens up to 350 AD when Justinian made it illegal.

    so it makes perfect sense that Ashkenazi Jews would have most genes in common with the folks around Rome and the areas of Asia Minor.

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    Up to 7.7% of Ashkenazi Jews belong to Haplogroup G, which has been associated with the spread of agriculture from Anatolia to Europe, along with J2 clades. It was found that R1a-M582 is present in 33.8% of Ashkenazi R1a male lineages (Rootsi et al. 2012) and M582 is absent in Eastern Europeans but present in non-Jewish Near Easterners. Ashkenazi Levites may have picked up G from Near Eastern populations along with R1a-M582.

    Previous Y-chromosome studies have demonstrated that Ashkenazi Levites, members of a paternally inherited Jewish priestly caste, display a distinctive founder event within R1a, the most prevalent Y-chromosome haplogroup in Eastern Europe. Here we report the analysis of 16 whole R1 sequences and show that a set of 19 unique nucleotide substitutions defines the Ashkenazi R1a lineage. While our survey of one of these, M582, in 2,834 R1a samples reveals its absence in 922 Eastern Europeans, we show it is present in all sampled R1a Ashkenazi Levites, as well as in 33.8% of other R1a Ashkenazi Jewish males and 5.9% of 303 R1a Near Eastern males, where it shows considerably higher diversity. Moreover, the M582 lineage also occurs at low frequencies in non-Ashkenazi Jewish populations. In contrast to the previously suggested Eastern European origin for Ashkenazi Levites, the current data are indicative of a geographic source of the Levite founder lineage in the Near East and its likely presence among pre-Diaspora Hebrews.

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    Most G2 Ashkenazi Jews belong to the G2b subgroup not G2a.

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    Well seems like I was correct with my statement Haplogroup G does look like it has it's origin in, or close to the Iranian_Plateau.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Foxhall View Post
    Most G2 Ashkenazi Jews belong to the G2b subgroup not G2a.
    And G1 and not only.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jews_with_Haplogroup_G
    Sicilians and mainlander Southern Italian phenotype galleries.

    http://italicroots.lefora.com/topic/1111/Re-Groups-of-Sicilians
    http://italicroots.lefora.com/topic/375/Southern-italians-how-we-really-look

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    I wouldn't call the average of 10% high. Inflated yes, high? no. Haplogroups E and J are found at higher frequencies amongst Jewish people.

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