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    Who were the Adriatic Veneti?



    In terms of ethnicity, culture, language, etc
    Were they Illyrians, Italic, or Celts?
    I would love to know as much about them as possible, thanks.

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    Look for existing threads with Veneti/Venedi, there are few on this site.
    Be wary of people who tend to glorify the past, underestimate the present, and demonize the future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GrecoItalicIllyrian View Post
    In terms of ethnicity, culture, language, etc
    Were they Illyrians, Italic, or Celts?
    I would love to know as much about them as possible, thanks.
    check for thread called - veneti

    current DNA

    pre-roman (%)
    E-V13 = 2.2
    E-M215 = 2.2
    E-M34 = 2.1 (semitic people)
    G-P15 = 4.2
    I-M423 = 21.3
    I-M26 = 2.1
    J-M172 = 10.7
    L-M317 = 2.1
    R-M420 = 12.8
    R-M269 = 40.4


    2008 tests (%)
    E-M33 = 1.5
    E-V13 = 1.5
    E-M123 = 1.5
    G2a* = 11.9
    I1* = 9.0
    I2a1* = 9.4
    I-M223 = 1.5
    J2a* = 3.0
    J2a1k = 3.0
    J-M92 = 1.5
    L2-M317 = 4.5
    R-M420 = 10.4
    R-M269 = 41.8
    T-L131 = 3.0
    T-P77 = 0.3

    Phenotype
    Central and Eastern Veneto ( with friuli)
    - Type 1 : Intermediate complexion (chestnut or blonde hair, light eyes, ...), leptomorphic, rather narrow face, long and straight high-rooted nose that can get arched, close set eyes, large jaw, pointy chin
    ~ Dinaromorphic Nordo-Mediterranean

    Western Veneto ( with Trento )
    - Type 2 : Intermediate complexion, brachymorphic, round face, little and low-rooted nose that can get snub-tipped, wide set eyes
    ~ Alpinoid

    Venetian lagoon area

    - Type 3 : Intermediate complexion (from medium dark to blonde hair, blue, green or hazel eyes ...), brachymorphic, little and narrow straight nose, square-box face, broad forehead, rather wide-set eyes
    ~ Alpinoid/Subnordid

    Venetian-Istrano
    - Type 4 : Light complexion (blonde hair, green eyes, ...), leptomorphic, arched nose, large jaw, pointy chin, close-set eyes
    ~ Nordo-Dinarid

    women , either
    type that one could label, "Alpino-Med" which is very specific to Veneto : puffy and fleshy features
    or
    classical North Italian phenotype ( some individuals actually match neighbouring Slovenian variability), it is traditionally accompanied by a darker variant (Dinaro-Mediterranoid) which is the quintessential pan-Italian phenotype.
    Father's Mtdna H95a1
    Grandfather Mtdna T2b24
    Great Grandfather Mtdna T1a1e
    GMother paternal side YDna R1b-S8172
    Mother's YDna R1a-Z282

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    Quote Originally Posted by zanipolo View Post
    check for thread called - veneti

    current DNA

    pre-roman (%)
    E-V13 = 2.2
    E-M215 = 2.2
    E-M34 = 2.1 (semitic people)
    G-P15 = 4.2
    I-M423 = 21.3
    I-M26 = 2.1
    J-M172 = 10.7
    L-M317 = 2.1
    R-M420 = 12.8
    R-M269 = 40.4
    Where did you pull these Pre-Roman Y-DNA frequencies? There is no ancient DNA performed about Venetian remains. It's really amazing how some people on this forum put laughable data and opinions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Malsori View Post
    Where did you pull these Pre-Roman Y-DNA frequencies? There is no ancient DNA performed about Venetian remains. It's really amazing how some people on this forum put laughable data and opinions.
    from November 2012 papers
    (Brisighelli et al. 2012)


    There is no venetian in pre-roman , what are you talking about?, there was only venetic people covering modern day regions of Veneto, Friuli , Istria and western slovenia. The study took it from Udine . The bulk of the Venetic people would have been the Euganei tribes who where the ORIGINAL people of Veneto and Friuli.

    I did not count the Ladini as they are Rhaetian tribes.

    Its amazing we still get rude people here. don't you think so!

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    Quote Originally Posted by zanipolo View Post
    from November 2012 papers
    (Brisighelli et al. 2012)


    There is no venetian in pre-roman , what are you talking about?, there was only venetic people covering modern day regions of Veneto, Friuli , Istria and western slovenia. The study took it from Udine . The bulk of the Venetic people would have been the Euganei tribes who where the ORIGINAL people of Veneto and Friuli.

    I did not count the Ladini as they are Rhaetian tribes.

    Its amazing we still get rude people here. don't you think so!
    I think he's talking about testing ancient bones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eldritch View Post
    I think he's talking about testing ancient bones.
    from the papers the 3 spanish and IIRC 2 italian and 1 english testers from a Uni in England did the tests, I need to re-read this, but find article in dienekes and follow the link button to the full document. It took 8 years.

    But as I said, there where no venetians in pre-roman times, venetians began in 452AD from peoples of treviso, padua and oderzo areas, the treviso people settled mainly on malamocco ( lido island IIRC ), oderzo people went mainly to Torcello island

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