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    Quote Originally Posted by Nobody1 View Post
    Yes its all South Picene;
    I have looked into it again and im not even sure why the other language is called North Picene;
    The territory Ariminum - Aesis has nothing to do with Picenum (Aesis-Giulia Nova) and that area was also never settled by the Picentes; The area of North Picene corresponds to the Ager Gallicus of the Senones and Strabo V/IV also lists cities of the Ombrici in that district; Yet the language (which is not classified / neither Indo-European nor Tyrsenian/Pelasgian) does not naturally fit either the Indo-European Gauls/Senones nor the Indo-European Ombrici/Umbrians - so def. a non-Indo-European language/people but not Tyrsenian/Pelasgian; Pos. Ligurian / I will post some stuff on why i think its Ligurian and not Liburnian;
    If the Picentes never settled north of Aesis, how were called the inhabitants of the territory Ariminum-Aesis (before the Senones), who were speaking the (probably) non IE language which can be seen on the Novilara stele?

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    I telieve that before the senones arrived in the Marche region there were a people called the picentes inhabiting the region.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diviacus View Post
    If the Picentes never settled north of Aesis, how were called the inhabitants of the territory Ariminum-Aesis (before the Senones), who were speaking the (probably) non IE language which can be seen on the Novilara stele?
    That all depends on the precise Geography;
    But in the broadest sense of Picenum - Livius (V/XXXV) records that the Senones occupied the lands from the Utis (Montone) to the Aesis; and Polybius (II/XXI) includes the Ager Gallicus as part of Picenum;

    Silius Italicus (VIII/440-445) records that Picenum was once inhabited by Pelasgians and that Aesis was one of their leader;
    Plinius (III/XVIII-XIX) records that the earliest inhabitants were Siculi and Liburnians but the Librunians are placed further south at Truentum and Praetutia;

    Other peoples mentioned in this district before the Gauls are the Umbrians by Strabo (V/IV) and Plinius (III/XIX);

    I think its a question of Siculi/Pelasgian and Liburnian tending more towards Siculi/Pelasgian than Liburnian;
    The Siculi and Pelasgians could go hand in hand acc. to Thucydides (VI/XVIII) and would explain it being def. not Indo-European;
    Liburnians were described as Illyrians and should than be Indo-European (but it isnt) and the Liburnians are placed to far south from the Aesis at Truentum;

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    Plenty of evidence pointing to the Siculi (Sicels) being indo-european.

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