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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan View Post
    No need to mention that always. You are not more unmixed than most other Kurds. The Yezidi Caste system was introduced by Sheik Adi roughly 1100 AD.
    Before that Yezidis mixing up of Yezidis with non Yezidis was not forbidden and there are accounts for this has happened.

    The South_Central Asian in Eurogenes K36 is equivalent to Eurogenes K13 West-Central Asian and to Dienekes "Gedrosia".
    At the same time when Turks arrived in Anatolia. Also as far as I know my ancestors were not mixing with non-Kurds for the last 300 years or something even after they left Kurdistan. According to Dienekes K12b I'm almost 30 % Gedrosia, same average like other Kurds. Also I'm sure that that South_Central_Asian and Gedrosia is NATIVE to the Iranian Plateau!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brokensword View Post
    My paternal grandmother has a name "Leyli" which is a Georgian name and i think means "Leyla" in Turkish if it is not a typo by the officer in registry office. Typo was very common during the time of transition from Arabic to Latin .

    I sent an e-mail to my Georgian match, no answer yet. I will tell you his kit number right after i get approval of him. He is a known one in geneology field by many.

    I would like to ask you a question. Because i only have one match in my 25 marker list and he is a Georgian, does it mean my paternal side is Georgian?
    Yes, it's quite possible that if you have only one 25 marker match and its with Georgian that it indicates a Georgian ancestry. Plus considering close links of North-Eastern Turkey with Georgian kingdom.

    I believe that R1b persons account is managed by my fellow admin of Georgian DNA project J. Gogitidze and not the person tested himself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kardu View Post
    Yes, it's quite possible that if you have only one 25 marker match and its with Georgian that it indicates a Georgian ancestry. Plus considering close links of North-Eastern Turkey with Georgian kingdom.

    I believe that R1b persons account is managed by my fellow admin of Georgian DNA project J. Gogitidze and not the person tested himself.
    Thanks.

    I will try to contact J. Gogitidze to see who the real one i match is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kardu View Post
    Has anyone tried a new calculator?

    http://bga101.blogspot.com.es/2013/0...-gedmatch.html

    My results:

    31.04% North_Caucasian
    18.68% West_Caucasian
    16.76% Near_Eastern
    15.57% East_Mediterranean
    10.87% Armenian
    4.91% South_Central_Asian
    2.04% East_Balkan

    You can download the necessary files from here:

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    Interesting! here are my results. Three of my grandparents were Slovak and the fourth a white American with ties to the british isles, Germany, france and Switzerland . Karl K39 Eurogenes test.PNG On the blog it says that we can use it a geographic map and pin ourselves to a certaing geographic position. Has anyone else done this? and How?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goga View Post
    At the same time when Turks arrived in Anatolia. Also as far as I know my ancestors were not mixing with non-Kurds for the last 300 years or something even after they left Kurdistan. According to Dienekes K12b I'm almost 30 % Gedrosia, same average like other Kurds. Also I'm sure that that South_Central_Asian and Gedrosia is NATIVE to the Iranian Plateau!

    Yes for 300 years, but before Sheik Adis Cast System there was mixing of Yezidis with others. I know Yezidis who look hardcore Levantine like Lebanese than I know a Yezidi Singer who shows very strong East Asian physical features. This is my point so you might be relatively unmixed but not much more than other Kurds. Thats the point ;)

    Kurdish average Gedrosia is 28%, so yes you are pretty average for Kurd. South_Central Asian(19%) of K36 and West_Central Asian of K13 (22%), Gedrosia (28%) are not 1:1 the same but very similar just with different labels.
    Last edited by Alan; 26-10-13 at 12:27.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan View Post
    Yes for 300 years, but before Sheik Adis Cast System there was mixing of Yezidis with others. I know Yezidis who look hardcore Levantine like Lebanese than I know a Yezidi Singer who shows very strong East Asian physical features. This is my point so you might be relatively unmixed but not much more than other Kurds. Thats the point ;)

    Kurdish average Gedrosia is 28%, so yes you are pretty average for Kurd. South_Central Asian(21%) of K36 and West_Central Asian of K13 (22%), Gedrosia (28%) are not 1:1 the same but very similar just with different names.
    Don't know much about phenotypes. Phenotypes are like an optical illusion, you can look very different than what your DNA is telling. So I don't pay much attention to phenotypes.

    I don't know exactly what you mean, but if you mean that there was (and is) almost no mixing between Kurds and our 'Islamic' neighbours after the Islam arrived in Kurdistan., I do agree with you. So it's true that Kurds didn't mix much with Turks, Arabs and Persians AFTER Islam.
    As you know I'm not a Muslim, but my DNA is practically identical to the DNA of an average Kurd.

    I do actually believe that we Kurds don't differ a lot from our ancient (Median) ancestors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan View Post
    but before Sheik Adis Cast System there was mixing of Yezidis with others.
    Btw, there was already a some kind of 'CLASS' system before Shex Adi. The distinction 'Mridi' and Pirs existed already in Kurdistan before the reforms of the Kurdish native religion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goga View Post
    Don't know much about phenotypes. Phenotypes are like an optical illusion, you can look very different than what your DNA is telling. So I don't pay much attention to phenotypes.
    You can but only if these phenotypes are rare or exceptional for your region(it could be adaption, but the individual does not live in East Asia) or people. But if it is not the cases than in it has usually a genetic reason for that. Believe me these East Asian traits are not "illusions". It could also be an ancient Eurasian connection through Haplogroup R*.

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    I don't know exactly what you mean, but if you mean that there was (and is) almost no mixing between Kurds and our 'Islamic' neighbours after the Islam arrived in Kurdistan., I do agree with you. So it's true that Kurds didn't mix much with Turks, Arabs and Persians AFTER Islam.


    Thats my point, there is not much admixture among Yezidi Kurds after Islam but we or our ancestors do not exist only since Islam. ;)


    As you know I'm not a Muslim, but my DNA is practically identical to the DNA of an average Kurd.

    I do actually believe that we Kurds don't differ a lot from our ancient (Median) ancestors.
    I know I didn't said you are atypical. You are average like any unmixed Kurds. So there is not much need to mention this :)

    Quote Originally Posted by Goga View Post
    Btw, there was already a some kind of 'CLASS' system before Shex Adi. The distinction 'Mridi' and Pirs existed already in Kurdistan before the reforms of the Kurdish native religion.
    The Mirid, Pir classes and distinction existed but the Caste system as we know it with the rules of not marrying non Yezidis was invented by Sheik Adi to prevent the extinction of the Yezidi religion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drogin View Post
    22.01% Fennoscandian
    18.86% North_Sea
    15.02% North_Atlantic
    8.34% French
    7.94% East_Central_Euro
    7.38% Iberian
    7.20% Eastern_Euro
    6.38% North_Caucasian
    5.19% Central_Euro
    1.07% Basque
    0.41% Amerindian
    0.19% Italian
    0.01% South_Central_Asian

    The North Caucasian seems very strange considering my Norwegian/Finnish heritage...although people have actually been telling me I don't look Norwegian, even other Norwegians at times
    Not if you consider that the R1b Indo-Europeans mixed with North Caucasian women in the Early Bronze Age (Maykop, Yamna) before invading Europe (see R1b history).
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    South_Central_Asian 18.94%
    East_Med 18.24%
    Near_Eastern 18.06%
    North_Caucasian 13.63%
    Armenian 11.01%
    West_Caucasian 10.29%
    Italian 4.03%
    Central_Euro 2.75%
    Arabian 1.34%
    Basque 0.97%
    West_Med 0.65%
    Iberian 0.08%
    East_Balkan 0.02%

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brokensword View Post
    Arabian 3.30%
    Armenian 19.12%
    Basque -
    Central_African -
    Central_Euro 0.93%
    East_African -
    East_Asian -
    East_Balkan 0.17%
    East_Central_Asian -
    East_Central_Euro -
    East_Med 12.56%
    Eastern_Euro -
    Fennoscandian -
    French 0.35%
    Iberian -
    Indo-Chinese -
    Italian 7.95%
    Malayan -
    Near_Eastern 14.03%
    North_African -
    North_Atlantic -
    North_Caucasian 18.73%
    North_Sea -
    Northeast_African -
    Oceanian -
    Omotic -
    Pygmy -
    Siberian -
    South_Asian -
    South_Central_Asian 2.89%
    South_Chinese -
    Volga-Ural -
    West_African -
    West_Caucasian 16.54%
    West_Med 3.42%


    I am a Turk From Turkey with a HG R-M269.
    I have 23 people in my Y-DNA12 match list.
    All my matches are European except one who is a Georgian and the only one in my 25 marker match list.
    These results indeed look very Georgian. Most notable the complete lack of East Eurasian components while average Turkish person has 5-7%. The results are atypical for Turkish standard. You definitely have Caucaus origin.
    Last edited by Alan; 26-10-13 at 23:49.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan View Post
    These results indeed look very Georgian. notable the complete lack of East Eurasian components while average Turkish person has 6-7%. The results are atypical for Turkish standard. You definitely have Caucaus origin.
    More likely Georgian mixed with Armenians & Greeks. Real Georgians have much more "North Caucasian" and less of "Armenian" (aka South_East_Caucasian).

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    Quote Originally Posted by MfA View Post
    South_Central_Asian 18.94%
    East_Med 18.24%
    Near_Eastern 18.06%
    North_Caucasian 13.63%
    Armenian 11.01%
    West_Caucasian 10.29%
    Italian 4.03%
    Central_Euro 2.75%
    Arabian 1.34%
    Basque 0.97%
    West_Med 0.65%
    Iberian 0.08%
    East_Balkan 0.02%
    Interesting! Are you a Kurd from Anatolia? Because you have less 'South_Central_Asian' & 'Near_Eastern' & 'North_Caucasian' than I do. But you have more of 'East_Med' & 'West_Caucasian'. I think 'East_Med' & 'West_Caucasian' are more native to Taurus / Eastern Anatolia (North Kurdistan), while 'South_Central_Asian' & 'Near_Eastern' are more from Zagros / Iranian Plateau (Southeast Kurdistan). It's strange that while Northern Kurds are Kurmanji and I'm Kurmanji too, but I do cluster closer to Sorani (Iraqi) Kurds and Eastern Gorani/Feyli (Iranian) Kurds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan View Post
    It could also be an ancient Eurasian connection through Haplogroup R*.
    I'm sure that the original R*, R1*, R2*, R1a*, R1b*, R2a* were all from "South_Central_Asia", native to the Iranian Plateau, although not sure about 'North_East Iranian Plateau' (Eastern side of the Caspian Sea) or 'West Iranian Plateau' (South_Western side of the Caspian Sea)...

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    Central_Euro 10.00%
    Italian 9.22%
    Eastern_Euro 9.11%
    Iberian 8.53%
    North_Atlantic 8.39%
    East_Balkan 7.98%
    French 6.45%
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    North_Caucasian 1.50%
    Volga-Ural 1.47%
    Arabian 0.37%
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    My results. 17 populations have some percents out of 36, a bit annoying :S

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    The minor high of R1b M-269* in south Italy could be due to Anatolian agriculturalists moving towards Mediterranean Europe as well! not to mention R-L23.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goga View Post
    Interesting! Are you a Kurd from Anatolia? Because you have less 'South_Central_Asian' & 'Near_Eastern' & 'North_Caucasian' than I do. But you have more of 'East_Med' & 'West_Caucasian'. I think 'East_Med' & 'West_Caucasian' are more native to Taurus / Eastern Anatolia (North Kurdistan), while 'South_Central_Asian' & 'Near_Eastern' are more from Zagros / Iranian Plateau (Southeast Kurdistan). It's strange that while Northern Kurds are Kurmanji and I'm Kurmanji too, but I do cluster closer to Sorani (Iraqi) Kurds and Eastern Gorani/Feyli (Iranian) Kurds.
    It would be interesting if you and Mfg would make a test on Eurogenes K13 calculator since it is newer than k36.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan View Post
    It would be interesting if you and Mfg would make a test on Eurogenes K13 calculator since it is newer than k36.
    I am quite an average Kurmanji Kurd from Turkey.. I have more than 10 samples from Turkey also including Zazas.. You can check various tests in my blog(EUtest V2, K9b, Dodecad K12b).. I don't like K36, 36 component is just too much many alleles've eaten up..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan View Post
    It would be interesting if you and Mfg would make a test on Eurogenes K13 calculator since it is newer than k36.
    What is so interesting about Eurogenes K13 Admixture Proportions data? Here are my Eurogenes K13 results:

    West Central Asian 28.21%
    Caucasus 27.29%
    Mediterranean 17.71%
    Southwest Asian 9.66%
    North European 8.66%
    South Asian 6.69%
    Amerindian 0.72%
    Northeast African 0.69%
    North Eurasian 0.16%
    East Siberian 0.15%
    Pygmy 0.06%
    West African -
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    Quote Originally Posted by Goga View Post
    What is so interesting about Eurogenes K13 Admixture Proportions data? Here are my Eurogenes K13 results:

    West Central Asian 28.21%
    Caucasus 27.29%
    Mediterranean 17.71%
    Southwest Asian 9.66%
    North European 8.66%
    South Asian 6.69%
    Amerindian 0.72%
    Northeast African 0.69%
    North Eurasian 0.16%
    East Siberian 0.15%
    Pygmy 0.06%
    West African -
    East Asian -


    It's because it is the revised version of K36.

    Interesting, you do are slightly atypical for the average Kurd. The average Kurd has according to the spreadsheet of K13 run, more Caucasus, less South Asian and more Southwest Asian. We do have another Yezidi individual from Iraqi Kurdistan and his results match the average better than yours.

    However overall you are not far from average.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan View Post
    It's because it is the revised version of K36.

    Interesting, you do are slightly atypical for the average Kurd. The average Kurd has according to the spreadsheet of K13 run, more Caucasus, less South Asian and more Southwest Asian. We do have another Yezidi individual from Iraqi Kurdistan and his results match the average better than yours.

    However overall you are not far from average.
    Maybe a little bit different to Northern Kurds, but very very similar to Feyli / Eastern Kurds. Here data of Eastern Feyli Kurd (Angrals). You know who he is. http://s1.zetaboards.com/anthroscape/topic/4786693/2/ . But It's strange because I'm Kurmanji speaker and 90% of my ancestors are from Northern Kurdistan and only 10% from Qamishli-Shekhan-Shangal area. I'm starting to believe that Sorani, Feyli/Gorani Kurds are less mixed with other races (especially Armenians) than Northern Kurmanji Kurds. My results do tend a little bit more toward the Zagros/Iranian Plateau.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goga View Post
    Maybe a little bit different to Northern Kurds, but very very similar to Feyli / Eastern Kurds. Here data of Eastern Feyli Kurd (Angrals). You know who he is. http://s1.zetaboards.com/anthroscape/topic/4786693/2/ . But It's strange because I'm Kurmanji speaker and 90% of my ancestors are from Northern Kurdistan and only 10% from Qamishli-Shekhan-Shangal area. I'm starting to believe that Sorani, Feyli/Gorani Kurds are less mixed with other races (especially Armenians) than Northern Kurmanji Kurds. My results do tend a little bit more toward the Zagros/Iranian Plateau.
    My fault I looked at Eurogenes K13 run spreadsheet -> http://bga101.blogspot.de/2012/03/ad...rasia-k13.html

    and not the "do it yourself k13 Gedmatch version". In the Gedmatch version it seems some of the West-Central Asian genes (Gedrosia) get eaten up by South Asian (ANI-ASI zombie component just like in Dodecad v2) because in the Eurogenes K13 run the Kurdish samples had an average of >0,5% SA and lot more Caucasus. So your results might not be so atypical at all.
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    Could you please specify which places of Greece you descent from? Your k36 results are somewhat different and both quite interesting. I can see Milos for Dorianfinder. Are all your ancestors from the specific island? Euxaristw!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alexandros View Post
    @PaschalisB & Dorianfinder

    Could you please specify which places of Greece you descent from? Your k36 results are somewhat different and both quite interesting. I can see Milos for Dorianfinder. Are all your ancestors from the specific island? Euxaristw!
    My paternal ancestors come from Thrace and my maternal ones from north-west Greece.

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