K36 K36 from Eurogenes

My results:

North_Sea: 19.66%
Fennsocandian: 13.85%
North_Atlantic 11.53%
Iberian 11.08%
Central_Europe 10.28%
French 9.65%
East_Central_Euro 7.03%
Italian 4.84%
Eastern_Euro 4.79%
West_Caucasian 2.50%
East_Balkan 1.78%
West_Med 0.85%
North_Caucasian 0.78%
Volga_Ural 0.72%
South_Central_Asian 0.32%
Arabian 0.23%
Northeast_African 0.11%
 
My results:

Basque 1.17%
Central_Euro 7.80%
East_Balkan 3.25%
East_Central_Euro 3.43%
Eastern_Euro 2.59%
Fennoscandian 12.34%
French 7.42%
Iberian 16.04%
Italian 2.76%
North_Atlantic 13.41%
North_Sea 22.49%
South_Central_Asian 2.04%
Volga-Ural 1.32%
West_Caucasian 3.95%

Everything else is zero.
 
Interesting results,



Iberian18.22
North_Sea15.41
North_Atlantic10.74
French10.54
Italian10.27
West_Med5.06
East_Central_Euro4.82
Basque4.74
Eastern_Euro4.43
North_Caucasian4.25
East_Balkan3.58
Central_Euro3.46
Fennoscandian2.7
Armenian1.27
Oceanian0.48
 
FunkyWanderer said:
Interesting results,



Iberian18.22
North_Sea15.41
North_Atlantic10.74
French10.54
Italian10.27
West_Med5.06
East_Central_Euro4.82
Basque4.74
Eastern_Euro4.43
North_Caucasian4.25
East_Balkan3.58
Central_Euro3.46
Fennoscandian2.7
Armenian1.27
Oceanian0.48
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I'm afraid that if we don't know your actual ethnicity it's impossible to analyze the results or decide whether it makes any sense
 
FunkyWanderer said:
French Canadian, migrated from France in 1648 both paternally and maternally.
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No marriages with the Irish Canadians, or adoptions, anything like that?

What did that give you in Oracle? I'm assuming something Northwest Euro/British? From everything I've read, a lot of French Canadian settlers came from the Northwest of France, where there's quite a bit of similarity with the British. Is that your take on it as well?

I should have said outright that I'm not very fond of some Admixture calculators, and I'm particularly not fond of this one. Admixture is only as good as the populations you give it. They have to be chosen very carefully. This one, which uses a mishmash of modern and more ancient categories, is very problematic.

Still, if you give it enough regional reference populations, the Oracle results can make sense. The best use of them is to compare oneself with other people of your own background and see where, if anywhere, you differ. Of course, if you're part of the original sample set even that isn't accurate. What people shouldn't do is think that, in your case for example, you have recent Iberian or Italian ancestry.

Ed. Ah, I forgot that there isn't an Oracle for that one, which means the only utility it would have at all is to compare your results with other French Canadians. There's no way of ascertaining whether it places people anywhere near where one would expect.

For comparison purposes, on the Eurogenes 13 calculator, which does have an Oracle function, my fits are very bad (4.8, 5.1 for the first two) even though he has six Italian populations. MDLP 13, on the other hand, gets me down to 1.94 and 2.15, the lowest I've ever gotten, and pretty good for someplace like Italy with so much regional variation.
 
Angela said:
No marriages with the Irish Canadians, or adoptions, anything like that?

For comparison purposes, on the Eurogenes 13 calculator, which does have an Oracle function, my fits are very bad (4.8, 5.1 for the first two) even though he has six Italian populations. MDLP 13, on the other hand, gets me down to 1.94 and 2.15, the lowest I've ever gotten, and pretty good for someplace like Italy with so much regional variation.
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I'm sure there's some irish in there somewhere, my mom is a redhead. All the names in my genealogy have been of french or brittish origin and all were french canadian going back to the 1600's. Here's my Eurogenes K13 & Oracle matches

Admix Results (sorted):

#PopulationPercent
1North_Atlantic43.18
2West_Med20.36
3Baltic19.29
4West_Asian7.03
5East_Med6.49
6Oceanian1.48
7Amerindian0.98
8Red_Sea0.96
9Northeast_African0.22

Single Population Sharing:

#Population (source)Distance
1French4.95
2South_Dutch5.76
3West_German6.22
4Southeast_English9.77
5Southwest_English10.19
6Spanish_Cataluna10.71
7Orcadian11.75
8Southwest_French11.97
9Spanish_Galicia12.06
10Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon12.08
11Austrian12.21
12Spanish_Cantabria12.23
13Portuguese12.3
14Irish12.38
15North_German12.4
16North_Dutch12.72
17West_Scottish12.75
18Danish13.11
19Spanish_Valencia13.51
20Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha13.53

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

#Primary Population (source)Secondary Population (source)Distance
179.3%West_German+20.7%French_Basque@2.98
268.1%West_German+31.9%Southwest_French@3.04
376.3%North_Dutch+23.7%Sardinian@3.07
469.1%West_German+30.9%Spanish_Cantabria@3.3
550.4%Spanish_Cantabria+49.6%North_German@3.3
651.6%Spanish_Andalucia+48.4%Swedish@3.3
776.9%Irish+23.1%Sardinian@3.33
871.2%South_Dutch+28.8%Southwest_French@3.41
971.7%South_Dutch+28.3%Spanish_Cantabria@3.43
1055.2%North_German+44.8%Spanish_Andalucia@3.46
1151%Southwest_French+49%North_German@3.57
1263.9%Southwest_English+36.1%North_Italian@3.58
1352.4%North_German+47.6%Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha@3.59
1475.9%Danish+24.1%Sardinian@3.63
1558.8%Irish+41.2%North_Italian@3.64
1650%Spanish_Andalucia+50%Norwegian@3.66
1774.1%West_German+25.9%Spanish_Aragon@3.66
1889.9%South_Dutch+10.1%Sardinian@3.66
1973.1%Norwegian+26.9%Sardinian@3.7
2054.6%North_Dutch+45.4%Spanish_Andalucia@3.72
 
FunkyWanderer said:
I'm sure there's some irish in there somewhere, my mom is a redhead. All the names in my genealogy have been of french or brittish origin and all were french canadian going back to the 1600's. Here's my Eurogenes K13 & Oracle matches

Admix Results (sorted):

#PopulationPercent
1North_Atlantic43.18
2West_Med20.36
3Baltic19.29
4West_Asian7.03
5East_Med6.49
6Oceanian1.48
7Amerindian0.98
8Red_Sea0.96
9Northeast_African0.22

Single Population Sharing:

#Population (source)Distance
1French4.95
2South_Dutch5.76
3West_German6.22
4Southeast_English9.77
5Southwest_English10.19
6Spanish_Cataluna10.71
7Orcadian11.75
8Southwest_French11.97
9Spanish_Galicia12.06
10Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon12.08
11Austrian12.21
12Spanish_Cantabria12.23
13Portuguese12.3
14Irish12.38
15North_German12.4
16North_Dutch12.72
17West_Scottish12.75
18Danish13.11
19Spanish_Valencia13.51
20Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha13.53

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

#Primary Population (source)Secondary Population (source)Distance
179.3%West_German+20.7%French_Basque@2.98
268.1%West_German+31.9%Southwest_French@3.04
376.3%North_Dutch+23.7%Sardinian@3.07
469.1%West_German+30.9%Spanish_Cantabria@3.3
550.4%Spanish_Cantabria+49.6%North_German@3.3
651.6%Spanish_Andalucia+48.4%Swedish@3.3
776.9%Irish+23.1%Sardinian@3.33
871.2%South_Dutch+28.8%Southwest_French@3.41
971.7%South_Dutch+28.3%Spanish_Cantabria@3.43
1055.2%North_German+44.8%Spanish_Andalucia@3.46
1151%Southwest_French+49%North_German@3.57
1263.9%Southwest_English+36.1%North_Italian@3.58
1352.4%North_German+47.6%Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha@3.59
1475.9%Danish+24.1%Sardinian@3.63
1558.8%Irish+41.2%North_Italian@3.64
1650%Spanish_Andalucia+50%Norwegian@3.66
1774.1%West_German+25.9%Spanish_Aragon@3.66
1889.9%South_Dutch+10.1%Sardinian@3.66
1973.1%Norwegian+26.9%Sardinian@3.7
2054.6%North_Dutch+45.4%Spanish_Andalucia@3.72
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The regular Oracle result isn't bad. As with me, even if the fit isn't great at least he got the right country. I think the K13 may be his best calculator for this sort of thing.
 
Seems a mix of turlips, potatoes, meat, earth and stones...
 
MOESAN said:
Seems a mix of turlips, potatoes, meat, earth and stones...
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Once you get to Mixed Mode it all falls apart, if that's what you generally meant. :) As I said, I'm not a fan.
 
My K36 results:

North_Sea: 15.90
Iberian: 14.08
North_Atlantic: 13.22
French: 12.82
Italian: 12.17
Central_Euro: 8.34
Fennoscandian: 6.09
East_Central_Euro: 5.06
Eastern_Euro: 3.37
Basque: 2.96
West_Med: 2.48
Armenian: 2.31
Volga_Ural: 0.79
South_Central_Asian: 0.42

I'm a bit of a mongrel it seems :LOL:
 
Here are mine. I was surprised at the 2% North African until I realize that ALL Southern Europeans (judging from the Dodecad results) get anywhere between 0-7% North/Northwest African (non-black). It would also appear that I'm quite Italian. I think "Volga-Ural" is a range in Western Russia near Moscow.

So much for my mom telling me I was Polish. The results don't show any Eastern European O__O

My results are basically somebody who is 1/2 Italian and 1/2 British Isles (Ireland, England, Scotland) would get if they took their test.

Amerindian-
Arabian-
Armenian1.69
Basque1.95
Central_African-
Central_Euro1.34
East_African-
East_Asian-
East_Balkan5.77
East_Central_Asian-
East_Central_Euro-
East_Med9.49
Eastern_Euro-
Fennoscandian-
French4.60
Iberian9.69
Indo-Chinese-
Italian21.29
Malayan-
Near_Eastern2.71
North_African2.95
North_Atlantic8.60
North_Caucasian5.39
North_Sea17.75
Northeast_African-
Oceanian-
Omotic-
Pygmy-
Siberian-
South_Asian-
South_Central_Asian-
South_Chinese-
Volga-Ural1.37
West_African-
West_Caucasian-
West_Med5.40
 
My K36 results. It seems to gel well with both my paper trail and the genetic genealogy.
Population
Amerindian 0.13
Basque 2.54
Central_Euro 6.83
East Balkan 2.97
East Central Euro 7.33
Eastern Euro 3.99
Fennoscandian 10.50
French 7.98
Iberian 18.49
Italian 4.36
North Atlantic 14.09
North Caucasian 1.55
North Sea 17.66
West Med 1.57
 
My Eurogenes K36 Admixture Proportions (I'm fully Polish from this region):

Population

East_Central_Euro 22.87
Eastern_Euro 13.99
North_Sea 11.81
Central_Euro 9.80
Fennoscandian 9.32
North_Atlantic 8.14
East_Balkan 8.54
Italian 5.96
French 4.93
North_Caucasian 2.15
West_Med 1.20
Basque 0.91
Iberian 0.39
 
5.96 italian? I know its "north italian" but still...

This calculator is weird
 
Or just neolithic farmer genes that you share with north italy. Lol. These categories are so vague! What does being x percent italian,Iberian, or "North Sea" (I guess that's Scandinavian) according to this test really tell you about your heritage when you have nothing from either of those groups?

But then again, your italian could just be shared ancestry with north italy via the northern invaders. I don't know the genetic impact these tribes had on the locals so I could be horribly off.

That italian component was always interesting to me. There are british who get over ten percent. If they are tracking neolithic signals, why not just use Sardinians?

But you get Polish as your top match across every test with a low fit so that's what counts.

You are a certified Polish!
 
Tomenable said:
Well, at least six percent of civilization in this ocean of Slavo-Germano-Celtic barbarism:


One of Polish-Lithuanian queens was Italian: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bona_Sforza

Queen Bona gave us "Italian stuff": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirepoix_(cuisine)#Polish_W.C5.82oszczyzna

And my favourite mod Angela is Italian, so I'm glad that I'm also 6% Italian-like. :giggle: :wink:
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How sweet. :)

Goodness gracious, the Milano court of the Sforza's was very refined, for all that it was presided over by a condottiere; is that all she brought with her...some soup greens? Well, I see one mention of a humanist scholar who went with her, but where are the poets, artists, musicians, etc.? Were they not appreciated? Caterina de Medici did a lot better when she went to France. Interesting that the latter also is remembered for improving the food, however. :) They both also got involved in governance as well, although it seems Caterina was more hated for her efforts. Well, whatever mistakes she made, she was an Italian mother who fought for her sons, no matter what...

Sorry for the digression. Back to genetics.

Have I mentioned that I think this is a terrible calculator? Maybe that's why no Oracle was released with it.

I come out with only about 25% Italian, and the reference population is based on my two population groups: Northern Italians and Toscani in Firenze. (The best fits I've ever gotten are with MDLP...I forget which one. That's just because he has a lot of northern Italian samples. It doesn't mean the break down is any good.)

By the way, Maximus was supposedly a Spaniard, although a more unlikely looking Spaniard I've never seen. That's Hollywood for you. As for the Romans, yes, they did their fair share of butchery, maybe more than their fair share, but that's true of every empire until and sometimes including modern times, yes? At least they brought other things with them. Better than the Huns, whose only contribution to the world was laying huge swathes of it waste, and mountains of skulls, and yet whom some hobbyists seem to be very keen to claim as relatives.

An oldie but a goodie: :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9foi342LXQE

 
This was mine from GedMatch. Which I don't understand. It said I had 1percent Italian and now 30?

Population
Amerindian-
Arabian-
Armenian2.41
Basque2.74
Central_African-
Central_Euro4.97
East_African-
East_Asian-
East_Balkan7.48
East_Central_Asian-
East_Central_Euro6.10
East_Med10.53
Eastern_Euro4.01
Fennoscandian-
French-
Iberian10.91
Indo-Chinese-
Italian30.69
Malayan-
Near_Eastern3.12
North_African-
North_Atlantic3.38
North_Caucasian-
North_Sea-
Northeast_African-
Oceanian-
Omotic-
Pygmy-
Siberian-
South_Asian-
South_Central_Asian-
South_Chinese-
Volga-Ural-
West_African-
West_Caucasian5.47
West_Med8.16
 
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