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    K36 from Eurogenes

    Has anyone tried a new calculator?

    http://bga101.blogspot.com.es/2013/0...-gedmatch.html

    My results:

    31.04% North_Caucasian
    18.68% West_Caucasian
    16.76% Near_Eastern
    15.57% East_Mediterranean
    10.87% Armenian
    4.91% South_Central_Asian
    2.04% East_Balkan

    You can download the necessary files from here:

    https://skydrive.live.com/?cid=5223c...shoKjpmkqRu3tw
    Last edited by Kardu; 12-03-13 at 13:16.

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    When the analysis is so fine grained, then it will probably show more the recent geographic proximities rather than ancient ancestries, I guess. But Fst distances might overcome this problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ElHorsto View Post
    When the analysis is so fine grained, then it will probably show more the recent geographic proximities rather than ancient ancestries, I guess. But Fst distances might overcome this problem.
    Not sure... that's what he writes:

    Also worth mentioning is that this test focuses on much deeper ancestry than the Ancestry Composition at 23andMe. Hence, I expect that all Europeans will score a few percent in non-European clusters. However, like many ADMIXTURE results, this could give us strong hints about population movements into Europe during prehistory and early history, so it's worth keeping an eye on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kardu View Post
    Not sure... that's what he writes:

    Also worth mentioning is that this test focuses on much deeper ancestry than the Ancestry Composition at 23andMe. Hence, I expect that all Europeans will score a few percent in non-European clusters. However, like many ADMIXTURE results, this could give us strong hints about population movements into Europe during prehistory and early history, so it's worth keeping an eye on.
    Thanks, that's the opposite of what I expected. Maybe he means that it can reveal new unknown ancient connections, regardless if there will be also more geographically flawed ones. But I don't want to comment too much without enough expert knowledge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kardu View Post
    Has anyone tried a new calculator?

    http://bga101.blogspot.com.es/2013/0...-gedmatch.html

    My results:

    31.04% North_Caucasian
    18.68% West_Caucasian
    16.76% Near_Eastern
    15.57% East_Mediterranean
    10.87% Armenian
    4.91% South_Central_Asian

    You can download the necessary files from here:

    https://skydrive.live.com/?cid=5223c...shoKjpmkqRu3tw

    I presume all the other markers are 0% for you

    I will see what eurogenes has for me in in this K36 test. I will let you know.

    The last 2tests from eurogenes has/had me as , between 70-90% North_Italian and at least 10% south-Finnish or west-Finnish. Then about 3% udmurt.

    FTDNA latest revamp of their database under a new system has my mtdna dropping from 750 matches to 5 matches. Counting for 1 or 2 steps....the only one step is Finnish ....autosmals could be getting better.
    The other 4 matches , are Hessen and Altenkircken in Germany, Hirzel in Switzerland and Ljunglay Sweden.

    But I was also thrown out of H2 haplogroup and I am awaiting a new subclade.
    Father's Mtdna H95a1
    Grandfather Mtdna T2b24
    Great Grandfather Mtdna T1a1e
    GMother paternal side YDna R1b-S8172
    Mother's YDna R1a-Z282

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    Quote Originally Posted by zanipolo View Post
    I presume all the other markers are 0% for you
    Oops, I've missed 2.04% of East Balkan :) Updated.

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    italian 16,68
    east med 10,62
    near eastern 8,59
    central euro 8,28
    armenian 8,13
    east balkan 7
    north sea 6,44
    east central euro 6,24
    iberian 5,79
    west caucasian 4,87
    north caucasian 4,85
    west med 4,76
    basque 2,96
    north atlantic 2,58
    french 1,43
    arabian 0,49
    eastern euro 0,28

    the rest are all 0% for me

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    Interesting results, thanks for sharing!

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    22.01% Fennoscandian
    18.86% North_Sea
    15.02% North_Atlantic
    8.34% French
    7.94% East_Central_Euro
    7.38% Iberian
    7.20% Eastern_Euro
    6.38% North_Caucasian
    5.19% Central_Euro
    1.07% Basque
    0.41% Amerindian
    0.19% Italian
    0.01% South_Central_Asian

    The North Caucasian seems very strange considering my Norwegian/Finnish heritage...although people have actually been telling me I don't look Norwegian, even other Norwegians at times

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    North Caucasian component itself might be a mix of autochtones with Scytho-Sarmat-Goth. Paleo autosoms from that area will clarify the issue.

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    mine

    Population
    Amerindian -
    Arabian 0.31%
    Armenian 1.11%
    Basque 1.26%
    Central_African -
    Central_Euro 2.43%
    East_African -
    East_Asian -
    East_Balkan 5.57%
    East_Central_Asian -
    East_Central_Euro 4.89%
    East_Med 5.51%
    Eastern_Euro 4.52%
    Fennoscandian -
    French 2.84%
    Iberian 11.87%
    Indo-Chinese -
    Italian 20.84%
    Malayan -
    Near_Eastern 4.82%
    North_African -
    North_Atlantic 11.29%
    North_Caucasian 0.49%
    North_Sea 9.82%
    Northeast_African -
    Oceanian -
    Omotic -
    Pygmy -
    Siberian -
    South_Asian 0.13%
    South_Central_Asian -
    South_Chinese -
    Volga-Ural 0.60%
    West_African -
    West_Caucasian 2.80%
    West_Med 8.90%


    where is west-caucasus?

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    Interesting results. West Caucasus = Western Georgia (Colchis) + Adighe/Circassia

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    Mine from Gedmatch:

    Population
    Amerindian -
    Arabian -
    Armenian -
    Basque 6.05%
    Central_African -
    Central_Euro 0.79%
    East_African -
    East_Asian -
    East_Balkan 1.60%
    East_Central_Asian -
    East_Central_Euro 2.03%
    East_Med 2.49%
    Eastern_Euro 3.84%
    Fennoscandian 1.54%
    French 5.85%
    Iberian 29.83%
    Indo-Chinese -
    Italian 19.92%
    Malayan -
    Near_Eastern -
    North_African 2.45%
    North_Atlantic 8.56%
    North_Caucasian -
    North_Sea 6.41%
    Northeast_African -
    Oceanian -
    Omotic -
    Pygmy -
    Siberian -
    South_Asian -
    South_Central_Asian -
    South_Chinese -
    Volga-Ural -
    West_African -
    West_Caucasian -
    West_Med 8.61%

    More or less as expected.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kardu View Post
    Interesting results. West Caucasus = Western Georgia (Colchis) + Adighe/Circassia
    ?

    stated is
    West_Caucasian = Abhkasian
    West_Caucasian = Georgian

    North_Sea = Kent

    North_Caucasian = Adygei + Balkar + Chechen + Kumyk + Lezgin + North_Ossetian

    North_Atlantic = Cornish

    Italian = North_Italian + Tuscan only

    East_Balkan = Bulgarian + Romanian only

    Basque = French_Basque only.......spanish basque is Iberian

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    Thanks Zanipolo. Yes, actually we were checking with Polaco about this matter.
    The point is modern Abkhaz are mixture of wets Georgians and Adygei people.
    But anyway main problem is that all Georgians get higher North Caucasian component than West Caucasian. There is some miscalculation in that respect..

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    Quote Originally Posted by PaschalisB View Post
    italian 16,68
    east med 10,62
    near eastern 8,59
    central euro 8,28
    armenian 8,13
    east balkan 7
    north sea 6,44
    east central euro 6,24
    iberian 5,79
    west caucasian 4,87
    north caucasian 4,85
    west med 4,76
    basque 2,96
    north atlantic 2,58
    french 1,43
    arabian 0,49
    eastern euro 0,28

    the rest are all 0% for me
    Italian 16.42%
    Iberian 9.07%
    North_Sea 8.16%
    East_Med 6.98%
    Eastern_Euro 6.68%
    East_Balkan 6.65%
    Near_Eastern 6.65%
    Fennoscandian 6.64%
    North_Atlantic 5.59%
    East_Central_Euro 5.21%
    French 4.67%
    West_Med 3.89%
    Central_Euro 3.67%
    West_Caucasian 3.01%
    Armenian 2.74%
    Volga-Ural 1.12%
    approx. 98% total

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    Western Ukrainian from Boyko highlanders ethnographic group:
    East_Cent_Euro 17.18%
    Eastern_Euro 13.04%
    Italian 12.57%
    Iberian 11.30%
    Central_Euro 8.71%
    East_Balkan 8.52%
    North_Atlantic 4.69%
    East_Med 4.20%
    Fennoscandian 4.10%
    French 3.22%
    North_Sea 2.94%
    Volga-Ural 2.93%
    North_Caucasian2.50%
    Basque 2.09%
    Armenian 1.07%
    West_Med 0.63%
    West_Caucasian 0.30%

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dorianfinder View Post
    Italian 16.42%
    Iberian 9.07%
    North_Sea 8.16%
    East_Med 6.98%
    Eastern_Euro 6.68%
    East_Balkan 6.65%
    Near_Eastern 6.65%
    Fennoscandian 6.64%
    North_Atlantic 5.59%
    East_Central_Euro 5.21%
    French 4.67%
    West_Med 3.89%
    Central_Euro 3.67%
    West_Caucasian 3.01%
    Armenian 2.74%
    Volga-Ural 1.12%
    approx. 98% total
    Are you fully Greek if i may ask?

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    I am British, here are mine:

    North_Sea 19.47%
    North_Atlantic 16.32%
    Iberian 12.61%
    Fennoscandian 11.36%
    Italian 11.18%
    East_Central_Euro 8.92%
    Central_Euro 6.77%
    French 4.67%
    Eastern_Euro 3.50%
    West_Med 1.39%
    East_Balkan 1.34%
    South_Central_Asian 1.34%

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    Arabian 3.30%
    Armenian 19.12%
    Basque -
    Central_African -
    Central_Euro 0.93%
    East_African -
    East_Asian -
    East_Balkan 0.17%
    East_Central_Asian -
    East_Central_Euro -
    East_Med 12.56%
    Eastern_Euro -
    Fennoscandian -
    French 0.35%
    Iberian -
    Indo-Chinese -
    Italian 7.95%
    Malayan -
    Near_Eastern 14.03%
    North_African -
    North_Atlantic -
    North_Caucasian 18.73%
    North_Sea -
    Northeast_African -
    Oceanian -
    Omotic -
    Pygmy -
    Siberian -
    South_Asian -
    South_Central_Asian 2.89%
    South_Chinese -
    Volga-Ural -
    West_African -
    West_Caucasian 16.54%
    West_Med 3.42%


    I am a Turk From Turkey with a HG R-M269.
    I have 23 people in my Y-DNA12 match list.
    All my matches are European except one who is a Georgian and the only one in my 25 marker match list.

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    Fascinating! Do you have any known Georgian ancestry? (as quite some people in Turkey do)
    What's the kit number of the Georgian match?
    You can pm me if you prefer.

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    U.S. American, with most known ancestry from British Isles and Germany:

    Armenian 3.04%
    Central_Euro 5.00%
    East_Balkan 8.74%
    East_Central_Euro 17.12%
    Eastern_Euro 8.90%
    Fennoscandian 10.34%
    French 4.32%
    Iberian 7.29%
    Italian 10.52%
    Near_Eastern 4.98%
    North_Atlantic 4.44%
    North_Sea 10.71%
    South_Central_Asian 1.18%
    Volga-Ural 3.37%

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kardu View Post
    Fascinating! Do you have any known Georgian ancestry? (as quite some people in Turkey do)
    What's the kit number of the Georgian match?
    You can pm me if you prefer.
    My paternal grandmother has a name "Leyli" which is a Georgian name and i think means "Leyla" in Turkish if it is not a typo by the officer in registry office. Typo was very common during the time of transition from Arabic to Latin .

    I sent an e-mail to my Georgian match, no answer yet. I will tell you his kit number right after i get approval of him. He is a known one in geneology field by many.

    I would like to ask you a question. Because i only have one match in my 25 marker list and he is a Georgian, does it mean my paternal side is Georgian?

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    I'm a Kurd (unmixed):


    South_Central_Asian 21.14%
    Near_Eastern 19.33%
    East_Med 16.71%
    North_Caucasian 16.30%
    Armenian 12.64%
    Italian 3.74%
    West_Caucasian 3.68%
    East_Balkan 3.02%
    Arabian 2.79%
    East_Central_Euro 0.53%
    Basque 0.11%


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    Quote Originally Posted by Goga View Post
    I'm a Kurd (unmixed)

    No need to mention that always. You are not more unmixed than most other Kurds. The Yezidi Caste system was introduced by Sheik Adi roughly 1100 AD.
    Before that Yezidis mixing up of Yezidis with non Yezidis was not forbidden and there are accounts for this has happened.

    The South_Central Asian in Eurogenes K36 is equivalent to Eurogenes K13 West-Central Asian and to Dienekes "Gedrosia".

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