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Where does a high concentration of T in the North-West Caucasus and Northern Georgia come from?
they come from north ossetians, ancient siraces tribe, dagestan and terek river valley .
south ossetians and northern ossetians are different in haplotypes
you will find most of northern europe ( for T ) to have come via this area, ....along the danube river or up the russian rivers to the baltic, along the baltic and as stated by david Faux as far as the faroe islands
Based on which data? There is no single T in Ossetian DNA project... Dagestan is North-East Caucasus. The map shows North-West. And I haven't heard about T among Georgians, although it is present among Armenians, but it's way to the south.
From that study: https://lh3.ggpht.com/-3F6BqRJ6xl0/TnDt35U9quI/AAAAAAAAEHs/jbFjkOzRV5o/s1600/caucasus-ychrom.png
0 T among Georgians
1 Cherkesian
2 Kabardin
1 Abkhazian
Does this qualify for a hotspot??
The map has % from 0 to a max of 7 ............ what is the issue?
Besides , check Russian site as they cover it better from the north Caucasus and north of that
Issue was that I don't know any source saying that T is 7% or more in Georgia.
Which Russian site?
But the map shows T in Georgia and the Caucasus mountains, not in Armenia...
Can you clarify what you are seeking!
What do you mean 'what am I seeking'??![]()
Check Maciamo's maps http://www.eupedia.com/europe/maps_Y-DNA_haplogroups.shtml
He has removed the hotspot of T from North-Western Georgia, but it still shows almost whole Georgia in 4-7% color...
And I still have to see a single Georgian with YDNA T... There is 0 among commercially tested ones and I can't find a reliable scientific study supporting this claim.
Yes, there is T among Armenians, but so far Georgians have none, zero, nada!![]()
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What kind of reasoning is that?well, there have been Armenians in Georgia for 15 centuries, there are also 5 Georgian government seats held by the Armenians. clearly you cannot say zero
What kind of reasoning is that?When we say genetic results of Georgians/Armenians/Spanish/Swedish etc. we mean ethnic Georgians/Armenians/Spanish/Swedish. We don't mean migrants however in old times they might have entered the territory.
Are migrants from Africa or Asia taken in account in these maps for European countries ?? Of course not, so why should it be so for Georgia![]()
How can you define an ethnic georgian if you exclude armenians living in georgia for 1500 years?
I belong to FTDNA alpgen and if you check the project site and remove the R haplo people, you are left with ancient , J2, T, Q, L, G2a and some E ..........clearly these are very old migrations from bronze age times. With this in mind we cannot gather ethnicity from the Alps. Same with Georgia.....if keeps moved there so long ago, then you must include these as ethnic to georgia.
99% of current Armenians moved to Georgia in 19th century or later, not 1500 years ago.
Is it really that strange for you to distinguish one ethnicity from another? You think it's impossible to differentiate between Swedes and Finns in Finland? or Saami from Finnish despite the fact that they live together for times immemorial?
And between Armenians and Georgians it's very easy. They have their own church, speak their language and have their own surnames.
Georgia and the Caucasus is very specific place. We remember our ancient roots and ancestors. We know among Georgians who/which surname had Armenian, Circassian, Ossetian etc. ancestor 500-800 years ago.
So I repeat again there is no ethnic Georgian with haplogroup T, you like it or not...
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