Korea nonsense

[nordicwarrior]

What do you make of the North Korean "drama" currently unfolding? Are you getting wall to wall mainstream coverage of this situation in your country like we are here in the U.S.?

I think this entire episode is humorous... I saw NBC/MSNBC reporter Andrea Mitchell announce this morning that she is travelling to South Korea to cover on-going events. She is the wife of Alan Greenspan-- ex-Head of the U.S. Federal Reserve. Well, this certainly lowers the chances something major will break out (in my most humble estimation anyway).

The funny thing is this odd series of events follows something even more strange-- a recent North Korean trip by basketball star Dennis Rodman plus he brought the Harlem Globetrotters with him. They were apparently treated like royalty. You can't make this stuff up.

Supposedly N.K.'s Fearless Leader is a giant basketball fanatic (has that in common with our own Fearless Leader I guess).

 

[Anthro-inclined]

I dont think much of it, I think people are right in saying that Kim Jong Un is trying to cement his position as the new Despot, by intimidating and inspiring fear. Its a shame, I thought that maybe with a young perspective, he would have decided to reform his country and be a new revolutionary leader, but alas he is the same as his insecure father. The only thing that puts fear in me is Chinas bid to protect them from an invasion, because if this is the case a huge world conflict is on the horizon if this conflict heats up, and as a young man me and my fellow young comrades will be sent to protect "Democracy".

 

[nordicwarrior]

I think Kim Jong is banging his empty rice bowl hoping the U.S./Western nations send him more food.

Our elites are eating this stuff up because it takes some of the attention away from the financial mess. Nobody is talking about Cypress anymore.

And Anthro-, the word is out on these chicken hawks... you should go and fight only after Dick Cheney's daughters both strap on a pair of boots and march over. I'm sick and tired of the bogus wars. So is everybody I know.

 

[ebAmerican]

The north has made it's bed, and now it's time to sleep in it. North Korea is bankrupt and they can't feed their people. New sanctions are crippling their economy. This communist regime will not be around in the next ten years. I think they are making their last stand and I would not dismiss these threats as idle. They want a Vietnam scenario, but they are highly underestimating the US abilities in the modern era, and believe China will eventually help if civil war breaks out on the Korean peninsula. I could see an international call for the US to withdraw and allow the south and north to fight it out. It would be called a Korean peninsula issue, like Syria. If North Korea tried to hit a US target, then game over. The international community would not try and stop a US attack. I personally believe it will be an attack on the south with conventional weapons leading to a continuation of the 1953 Korean War.

 

[kamani]

let the asian boys solve it. If north beats south, there will be more US jobs in the car industry, with Kia out of the way.

 

[Nobody1]

when i read Korea nonsense i had to think of this.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=424-RNl-1QA

[Warning: might be considered racist]

 

[nordicwarrior]

The dirty little secret in all of this is that South Korea wants the U.S. to pack up and head home. Can't say I blame them, I wouldn't want a foreign army hanging around my home town either.

Maybe a reunification is best here-- ie. East and West Germany coming together after their forced split. I agree that we should let them figure it out on their own and not let this warp into WWIII.

The Harlem Globetrotters visit a few weeks ago makes this thing so surreal. I wonder if there's a connection...

 

[Anthro-inclined]

The dirty little secret in all of this is that South Korea wants the U.S. to pack up and head home. Can't say I blame them, I wouldn't want a foreign army hanging around my home town either.

Maybe a reunification is best here-- ie. East and West Germany coming together after their forced split. I agree that we should let them figure it out on their own and not let this warp into WWIII.

The Harlem Globetrotters visit a few weeks ago makes this thing so surreal. I wonder if there's a connection...

Maybe the pentagon is looking into Dennis Rodman lol. I agree that a unified Korean people would be the best outcome, the diffuculty is getting to this end. I cant see how letting themselves sort it out would fix things, but foreign intervention is even worse, as it got us into this situation in the first place. Unfourtunatley, its a very complex situation that wil probably end in disaster before a solution is found. As much as we say that North Korea has got themselves into this mess and deserve what comes to them, the ones who will suffer are the average North Koreans, while their dear leader and foreign invaders will feel little to no effect. North Korea is not even close to a true communist government, as the people have no power, and these current developments have proven it.

 

[Ruiy]

Maybe the pentagon is looking into Dennis Rodman lol. I agree that a unified Korean people would be the best outcome, the diffuculty is getting to this end. I cant see how letting themselves sort it out would fix things, but foreign intervention is even worse, as it got us into this situation in the first place. Unfourtunatley, its a very complex situation that wil probably end in disaster before a solution is found. As much as we say that North Korea has got themselves into this mess and deserve what comes to them, the ones who will suffer are the average North Koreans, while their dear leader and foreign invaders will feel little to no effect. North Korea is not even close to a true communist government, as the people have no power, and these current developments have proven it.

The unification of the two Koreas would be, in effect, difficult to achieve. But this difficulty is set by the United States, not by the two Koreas, who on several occasions since 1950, has raised that possibility.






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[Anthro-inclined]

The unification of the two Koreas would, in effect, difficult to achieve. But this difficulty is set by the United States, not by the two Koreas, who on several occasions since 1950, has raised that possibility.






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The North and South have differing visions of a unified Korea and cannot become one because of this. Dont get me wrong the US is responible in part for our present situation, but the Koreas could have unified without the states, but the inherent problem is they cannot come to a consensus on a single Korea, and this is why it has not happened yet.

 

[LeBrok]

Dont get me wrong the US is responible in part for our present situation,

How wrong you could be? If not USA all Korean peninsula would be under North Korean dictatorship and socialism, or China's province.
One only hopes Canada would take leading role in protecting South Korea from North one and China.
But wait a minute! If not USA, Canada would have been a soviet republic or Japanese vasal for a long time now.
Just don't forget that you can enjoy your freedom of mouthing off USA thanks to their sacrifices in protecting western world and our values. Not mentioning invention of internet, operating systems, apple, google, discovering DNA, sequencing yours, etc. Things that you enjoy doing and talking about all day long on internet and your computer.
At least if you give them the credit from time to time, where it is needed...

 

[Ruiy]

The North and South have differing visions of a unified Korea and cannot become one because of this. Dont get me wrong the US is responible in part for our present situation, but the Koreas could have unified without the states, but the inherent problem is they cannot come to a consensus on a single Korea, and this is why it has not happened yet.

Absolutely. Both parts of the country have political views and positions very different and seemingly incompatible ( or decidedly incompatible if you want ), and likewise differ as economic stability as well as the cultural gap between the two is wide and visible, all of which are known to spare. ¿ But what about the inconvenience of this unification to the U.S. interests ?. Of course this is a skein of many factors involved and does not support a simplistic explanation. But in that skein is not absent Washington.

 

[nordicwarrior]

Yeah Anthro- we would all be Communist if the U.S. didn't intervene!

If we didn't intervene in the Korean War, our skies would be patrolled by drones, you would have to get felt up to fly anywhere on an airplane, there would be bold attempts to grab our guns, and the government would want to purchase all available ammo. We would have zero privacy on the internet and our doctors would be employees of the giant State.

Um, wait a minute...

 

[hope]

Yeah Anthro- we would all be Communist if the U.S. didn't intervene!

If we didn't intervene in the Korean War, our skies would be patrolled by drones, you would have to get felt up to fly anywhere on an airplane, there would be bold attempts to grab our guns, and the government would want to purchase all available ammo. We would have zero privacy on the internet and our doctors would be employees of the giant State.

Um, wait a minute...

So are you saying everything you just listed is as a direct result of America`s intervention in Korea?

 

[nordicwarrior]

So are you saying everything you just listed is as a direct result of America`s intervention in Korea?

No, I was pointing out a flaw in Lebrok's logic.

Please be aware that I'm not your typical American Imperialist, I'm a libertarian. I don't think our nation should patrol/control the globe-- where has this gotten us? Most of the world has a strong distaste for Americans and now we have an massively bloated internal governmental structure that Big Brother is having to do back flips to keep alive.

The drone reference was no joke... U.S. defense contractors have moved 30,000 from over-seas wars onto our our own territory to patrol our own people. The government has ordered 1.6 billion hollow point bullets for "target practice"-- which if you know about weaponry is a complete farce.

And I'm sure there are readers of this thread saying "He can say these things because the U.S. is so free". Wrong, the clamp down has started.

Some of us are too angry/frustrated/fed-up to look the other way. There's a bubbling sh@tstorm headed our way folks.

By the way, I've destroyed all my lethal force weapons... they will prove useless in this coming conflict. Forums like these are far more valuable in conveying a winning message.

 

[ebAmerican]

As long as our representatives are freely elected you are grasping at straws. This idea we are even remotely close to an oppressive state is ridiculous. It's easy to be caught up in current politics, but lets not get carried away. We are not setup like Rome and an Emperor is not in our near future . Drones are the future get use to it. They will be used for criminal cases, crop dusting, weather gathering, and a whole plethora of different things. Don't break the law and you wont have anything to worry about. Plus, you have no privacy in public. This is the hard fact that celebrities deal with all the time concerning paparazzi.

 

[LeBrok]

No, I was pointing out a flaw in Lebrok's logic.

Please be aware that I'm not your typical American Imperialist, I'm a libertarian. I don't think our nation should patrol/control the globe-- where has this gotten us? Most of the world has a strong distaste for Americans and now we have an massively bloated internal governmental structure that Big Brother is having to do back flips to keep alive.

The drone reference was no joke... U.S. defense contractors have moved 30,000 from over-seas wars onto our our own territory to patrol our own people. The government has ordered 1.6 billion hollow point bullets for "target practice"-- which if you know about weaponry is a complete farce.

And I'm sure there are readers of this thread saying "He can say these things because the U.S. is so free". Wrong, the clamp down has started.

Some of us are too angry/frustrated/fed-up to look the other way. There's a bubbling sh@tstorm headed our way folks.

By the way, I've destroyed all my lethal force weapons... they will prove useless in this coming conflict. Forums like these are far more valuable in conveying a winning message.

Don't take me wrong. I have a list of grievances to US or pure stupidity too. The point was that Anthro never said anything positive about US. The worse part is that the negatives he complains about exist only in conspiracy circles, or are looked at from his communistic point of view.
Conspiracy theories dominate in your understanding of global forces too, but at least you are aware of it.

If not US stand in protecting of western values, people like you and I, the free thinkers, libertarians and rebels were the first to die in Soviets gulags/concentration camps. I'm also pretty sure that personal computers and internet would be still a thing of distant future, together with free expressions. For god sake, even these days journalists are dying in Russia.

 

[nordicwarrior]

As long as our representatives are freely elected you are grasping at straws. This idea we are even remotely close to an oppressive state is ridiculous. It's easy to be caught up in current politics, but lets not get carried away. We are not setup like Rome and an Emperor is not in our near future . Drones are the future get use to it. They will be used for criminal cases, crop dusting, weather gathering, and a whole plethora of different things. Don't break the law and you wont have anything to worry about. Plus, you have no privacy in public. This is the hard fact that celebrities deal with all the time concerning paparazzi.

I don't know where to start here.

Number one... our officials are not freely elected at this point. Did you not see the open fraud committed against the 2012 Ron Paul campaign? He dominated at LEAST five states in the primaries but was locked out. Watch a few youtube videos taken by real Americans (not members of the bought and paid for mainstream media)-- the guy had crowds like a rock star...

"Drones are the future, get used to it." Wow, you will make a good slave Comrade. Some of us are wired differently I guess. I'm not going that route.

 

[nordicwarrior]

...Conspiracy theories dominate in your understanding of global forces too, but at least you are aware of it.

If not US stand in protecting of western values, people like you and I, the free thinkers, libertarians and rebels were the first to die in Soviets gulags/concentration camps. I'm also pretty sure that personal computers and internet would be still a thing of distant future, together with free expressions. For god sake, even these days journalists are dying in Russia.

My male relatives fought in most of America's wars... including the Revolutionary, Civil, WWII, etc. I think most of them would be ashamed to see what this country has turned into. They fought to protect Western values, but we've abandoned these values completely.

We will have gulags here too, but they will be known as camps. FEMA camps.

 

[Anthro-inclined]

How wrong you could be? If not USA all Korean peninsula would be under North Korean dictatorship and socialism, or China's province.
One only hopes Canada would take leading role in protecting South Korea from North one and China.
But wait a minute! If not USA, Canada would have been a soviet republic or Japanese vasal for a long time now.
Just don't forget that you can enjoy your freedom of mouthing off USA thanks to their sacrifices in protecting western world and our values. Not mentioning invention of internet, operating systems, apple, google, discovering DNA, sequencing yours, etc. Things that you enjoy doing and talking about all day long on internet and your computer.
At least if you give them the credit from time to time, where it is needed...

You went way off topic. What does the US providing many technological breakthroughs have to do with Koreas present situation. Yes the US has done alot of great things for technology and the world in general, but so has soviet Russia, but non the less they have both played a role in the fracturing of Korea. You act like taking issue with the US is sacreligious and shouldnt be done. Lebrok this is how a better future is achieved, I believe only through questioning the status quo and constantly challenging presumptions can we to create a better world.