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    paleoethic european

    Is haplogroup I paleoethic European......?

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    any body got any theories?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tjlowery87 View Post
    any body got any theories?
    I devulged my theories on paleolithic European haplogroups in this thread,
    http://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads...non-haplogroup
    among them were F3 and C7.

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    Haplogroup I is pretty much the oldest male European lineage to enter Europe, they are linked to the gravettian culture.

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    would haplogroup I be with cro magnons

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    Quote Originally Posted by tjlowery87 View Post
    would haplogroup I be with cro magnons
    Some have said that Haplogroup I was one of the haplogroups of the Cro-Magnon, but we can't know for sure.

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    I think it was the very first bulk of Cro-mangoes the next to come had predominantly R1b I believe that to be aurignacian culture, the r1bs came shortly after the I men.

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    i4000163 (P212) T A
    rs2032597 (M170) C A C
    rs2319818 (U179) A G A
    rs9341301 (M258) C T C
    these are haplogroup I markers correct

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    results

    I don't know if 23 and me test the p.19 snpr or not
    Last edited by tjlowery87; 14-04-13 at 02:53. Reason: messed up

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    If there are any y lineages left from that time, I is the best candidate, but it may not be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tjlowery87 View Post
    i4000163 (P212) T A
    rs2032597 (M170) C A C
    rs2319818 (U179) A G A
    rs9341301 (M258) C T C
    these are haplogroup I markers correct
    this is the snp chart they tested to get I haplogroup

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    what are defining mutations does someone have to have every defining mutations of just a few

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    1 members found this post helpful.
    I won't start a thread on it but we are at the edge of a big change in term of SNP data. The 1000 genomes project collected many new Y SNPs and many are still not included in the ISOGG tree. Geno 2.0 the new chip used by the genographic project is using an unprecedented set of Y SNPs from the 1000 genomes project , from Chris Taylor Smith, From some chinese sequencing and from some Sardinian sequencing (+ those already known). A lot of data a presently accumulating but very little is known on forums such as this one. just to give an idea : at the root of I1 there are presently 24 SNPs (it's a specificity of I1 to have this long list of synonymous SNPs at the root) but with Geno 2.0 this figure should go around 72 SNPs (from partial results) ; at the I2 root there are only 2 SNPs on ISOGG but Geno 2.0 knows 12 (or about -to be confirmed), quite a change.
    Why is it related to paleolithic human groups ? SNPs will allow a better estimation of the age of the branches in the Y tree. Presently, I believe that several ages are very inaccurate. By the way I also have some suspicion against the many ancient DNA haplogroup designation.
    So, I consider as a possibility that [IJ] was the only Y haplogroup in Europe. As the glaciation isolated Europe IJ had an "in situ" evolution to I (and to J in the middle east). I subsequently split into I1 and I2. This scheme is similar to the mitochondrial U --> U5 --> U5a and U5b with the possibility that U also evolved in U2.
    What's above isn't a demonstration of what occurred but it's a demonstration that a "simple" scheme is possible. An in situ evolution of Y-DNA I / mtDNA U would explain a specific european type.

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