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    What is the most common Y Dna Haplogroup in Sicily and Southern Italy?

    What is the most common Y Dna Haplogroup in Sicily and Southern Italy? which Haplogroups links certain migrations in Sicily and Southern Italy from around the Mediterranean?

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    In Sicily J2 is most common owning 28% of men. R1b is just behind with 25% and E3b is also at about 25%. In southern Italy its about 25-30% R1b 25% J2 and 20-25% E3b, these are by far the most common with another 20% split between a wide assortment of rarer and less dominant haplogroups in this area. J2 originated near southern turkey/ northern Syria / northwestern Iraq. Look it up on Wikipedia to see which countries have the highest j2 frequencies there is an extensive list, turkey, Lebanon, Armenia, northern Iraq, northwestern Iran, Georgia, Greece ( 20%) the greek island of Crete has high frequencies, southern Italy, Sicily. R1b is "Celtic". Highest frequencies in Ireland, England, Scotland, France, holland, Belgium, Spain and Portugal ( Iberia is a lot less "antonio banderas" Mediterranean than most genetic amateurs may think it fits in just right with pale Germanic R1b people's), Germany, Switzerland, north Italy etc. E3b is found in non-negroid North Africans such as Egyptians, Libyans, Tunisians, Algerians, Moroccans. The most common in Sicily would be J2 but R1b is very close behind and E3b right after. What we can deduce from this is that the J2 represents Fertile Crescent-Mesopotamian-middle eastern genetic influx, R1b represents Western European Germanic "Celtic" blood and E3b represents strictly north-African blood of a non-black type. Southern mainland Italy has a similar distribution but less J2 more 25% instead of 30% and R1b is about 25-30%, e3b is 20-25%. In other words the genetic structure of southern Italy + Sicily has a more equal distribution between these 3 haplogroups, thus pointing to more middle eastern/north African lineages in these regions. Central Italy has 40-45% R1b , 20% J2 and 10% E3b so there is much more white man "Celtic" blood and about the same/slightly less middle eastern blood with the E3b being about half that in southern Italy/Sicily ( now 10% in central.). The north is 55-60% R1b so more than half of the men are Celtic. There is 10% of both J2 and E3b in the north making both lineages rare on their own, but making the total of Neolithic blood at about 20% of north italian men (combined). Whereas the Neolithic of "foreign" element that arrived much later than the R1b men is at about 50% of south italian males, making southern Italy a genetic "isolate" compared to other nearby west European etc. areas and even compared to north Italy which clusters much closer with Swiss, French, German men etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by adamo View Post
    In Sicily J2 is most common owning 28% of men. R1b is just behind with 25% and E3b is also at about 25%. In southern Italy its about 25-30% R1b 25% J2 and 20-25% E3b, these are by far the most common with another 20% split between a wide assortment of rarer and less dominant haplogroups in this area. J2 originated near southern turkey/ northern Syria / northwestern Iraq. Look it up on Wikipedia to see which countries have the highest j2 frequencies there is an extensive list, turkey, Lebanon, Armenia, northern Iraq, northwestern Iran, Georgia, Greece ( 20%) the greek island of Crete has high frequencies, southern Italy, Sicily. R1b is "Celtic". Highest frequencies in Ireland, England, Scotland, France, holland, Belgium, Spain and Portugal ( Iberia is a lot less "antonio banderas" Mediterranean than most genetic amateurs may think it fits in just right with pale Germanic R1b people's), Germany, Switzerland, north Italy etc. E3b is found in non-negroid North Africans such as Egyptians, Libyans, Tunisians, Algerians, Moroccans. The most common in Sicily would be J2 but R1b is very close behind and E3b right after. What we can deduce from this is that the J2 represents Fertile Crescent-Mesopotamian-middle eastern genetic influx, R1b represents Western European Germanic "Celtic" blood and E3b represents strictly north-African blood of a non-black type.
    R1b is the most predominant in both Sicily and Southern Italy. Wiki is usually out of date when it comes to frequencey charts and the sample sizes are very small usually, heres the eupedia page.
    http://www.eupedia.com/europe/europe...logroups.shtml
    Also your E estimates are off, thats higher than Greece and some other Balkan countries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by adamo View Post
    In Sicily J2 is most common owning 28% of men. R1b is just behind with 25% and E3b is also at about 25%. In southern Italy its about 25-30% R1b 25% J2 and 20-25% E3b, these are by far the most common with another 20% split between a wide assortment of rarer and less dominant haplogroups in this area. J2 originated near southern turkey/ northern Syria / northwestern Iraq. Look it up on Wikipedia to see which countries have the highest j2 frequencies there is an extensive list, turkey, Lebanon, Armenia, northern Iraq, northwestern Iran, Georgia, Greece ( 20%) the greek island of Crete has high frequencies, southern Italy, Sicily. R1b is "Celtic". Highest frequencies in Ireland, England, Scotland, France, holland, Belgium, Spain and Portugal ( Iberia is a lot less "antonio banderas" Mediterranean than most genetic amateurs may think it fits in just right with pale Germanic R1b people's), Germany, Switzerland, north Italy etc. E3b is found in non-negroid North Africans such as Egyptians, Libyans, Tunisians, Algerians, Moroccans. The most common in Sicily would be J2 but R1b is very close behind and E3b right after. What we can deduce from this is that the J2 represents Fertile Crescent-Mesopotamian-middle eastern genetic influx, R1b represents Western European Germanic "Celtic" blood and E3b represents strictly north-African blood of a non-black type. Southern mainland Italy has a similar distribution but less J2 more 25% instead of 30% and R1b is about 25-30%, e3b is 20-25%. In other words the genetic structure of southern Italy + Sicily has a more equal distribution between these 3 haplogroups, thus pointing to more middle eastern/north African lineages in these regions. Central Italy has 40-45% R1b , 20% J2 and 10% E3b so there is much more white man "Celtic" blood and about the same/slightly less middle eastern blood with the E3b being about half that in southern Italy/Sicily ( now 10% in central.). The north is 55-60% R1b so more than half of the men are Celtic. There is 10% of both J2 and E3b in the north making both lineages rare on their own, but making the total of Neolithic blood at about 20% of north italian men (combined). Whereas the Neolithic of "foreign" element that arrived much later than the R1b men is at about 50% of south italian males, making southern Italy a genetic "isolate" compared to other nearby west European etc. areas and even compared to north Italy which clusters much closer with Swiss, French, German men etc.
    So at one point my Paternal ancestor was from North Africa or somewhere in the south Mediterranean, that's cool its very interesting learning about this stuff. My Dads side of the family is darker skin and hair color could it possibly be related because of south Mediterranean or North African origin on the paternal side, my Grandfather on my moms side is also a darker complexion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matera View Post
    So at one point my Paternal ancestor was from North Africa or somewhere in the south Mediterranean, that's cool its very interesting learning about this stuff. My Dads side of the family is darker skin and hair color could it possibly be related because of south Mediterranean or North African origin on the paternal side, my Grandfather on my moms side is also a darker complexion.
    Keep in mind these migrations happened thousands and sometimes tens of thousands of years ago. The last of your paternal line ancestors to live in North Africa could have lived over 20000 years ago, so any correlation between your fathers complexsion and Haplogroup is most likely coincidental.

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    Take the national geographics "genographic project" test, but it costs 200$, it will tell you exactly what is your y-DNA (paternal) ant mtdna (maternal) haplogroups so you will know for sure what you are and what % of Italians have it, and what countries have it at the highest percentages. But personally I know many italian men that are J2 positive. They have thick black beards, olive complexions and brown eyes kind of like Lebanese, Turks and Iraqis or Syrians, Armenians etc. you have to take the test to truly find out what your personal story is. For example, I'm italian from the south and I'm haplogroup T. This is found in 21% of men from Jordan ( near Saudis Arabia, even more south and exotic than northern middle eastern J2.) it's found in 4% of Italians and less than1% of Europeans. It's found in certain Egyptian , omanian, Iraqi men. It's also found in Iraqi and Kurdish Jews. If you are Oliver color my friend, you may be part of the far more extensive J2 community originating in turkey/Syria/north Iraq that owns 20% of italian men on a national level, with highs in Calabria, apulia, campania, south lazio , abbruzzo etc of higher levels depending on the area. For example south Calabria near Reggio Calabria has 25% J2. Central Calabria has 44%! south apulia has 20-25% and north apulia near foggia has 44%. Other regions in the north and central have 5-10% J2. Parts of Tuscany and abbruzzo have 25% etc. all of them being European highs of J2, maximums on a European CONTINENTAL level. Only Crete, Cyprus parts of mainland Greece, Italy parts of Bulgaria , Albania etc have about 20% J2 out of all Europe!! Iberia ( Spain-Portugal has about 5-10% , 15% in certain places big MAX.) they got less than Italy, Greece, Crete and a few isolated European spots. And trust me, if you and your family are some of those slick black haired, black bearded Assyrian types you sort of always knew it probably that your slightly different from most pale skinned Scandinavians or other Europeans with blond hair blue eyes and you may relate more with Lebanese men or Armenians than swedes German's or Irish don't listen to anthro's post loll

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    Quote Originally Posted by adamo View Post
    Take the national geographics "genographic project" test, but it costs 200$, it will tell you exactly what is your y-DNA (paternal) ant mtdna (maternal) haplogroups so you will know for sure what you are and what % of Italians have it, and what countries have it at the highest percentages. But personally I know many italian men that are J2 positive. They have thick black beards, olive complexions and brown eyes kind of like Lebanese, Turks and Iraqis or Syrians, Armenians etc. you have to take the test to truly find out what your personal story is. For example, I'm italian from the south and I'm haplogroup T. This is found in 21% of men from Jordan ( near Saudis Arabia, even more south and exotic than northern middle eastern J2.) it's found in 4% of Italians and less than1% of Europeans. It's found in certain Egyptian , omanian, Iraqi men. It's also found in Iraqi and Kurdish Jews. If you are Oliver color my friend, you may be part of the far more extensive J2 community originating in turkey/Syria/north Iraq that owns 20% of italian men on a national level, with highs in Calabria, apulia, campania, south lazio , abbruzzo etc of higher levels depending on the area. For example south Calabria near Reggio Calabria has 25% J2. Central Calabria has 44%! south apulia has 20-25% and north apulia near foggia has 44%. Other regions in the north and central have 5-10% J2. Parts of Tuscany and abbruzzo have 25% etc. all of them being European highs of J2, maximums on a European CONTINENTAL level. Only Crete, Cyprus parts of mainland Greece, Italy parts of Bulgaria , Albania etc have about 20% J2 out of all Europe!! Iberia ( Spain-Portugal has about 5-10% , 15% in certain places big MAX.) they got less than Italy, Greece, Crete and a few isolated European spots. And trust me, if you and your family are some of those slick black haired, black bearded Assyrian types you sort of always knew it probably that your slightly different from most pale skinned Scandinavians or other Europeans with blond hair blue eyes and you may relate more with Lebanese men or Armenians than swedes German's or Irish don't listen to anthro's post loll
    Why should he not listen to what I said its true. Just because you think that phenotypes and haplogroups go hand in hand , dosent mean everyone does, haplogroups are not used for this purpose, go look at autosomal genetics if you want to talk about phenotypes. give a convincing argument on why im wrong, dont just state it. Also please dont mis use the reputation system, how was I being unhelpful or insulting, I gave him the position most genecists take, if you dont like it present a convincing argument to back your theory I will have no problem debating with you.
    For example heres a reason why haplogroups are unreliable for determining or correlating to phenotypes. Estonia carrys some of the highest frequencies of haplogroup T in Europe just behind Italy, a middle eastern marker most common in the horn of Africa but yet Estonia pocesses the highest frequencies of blue eyes and blonde hair. Another case is in the Welsh town of Abergele, they pocess a frequencey of 33% of E1b1b, but they still look like other Welsh.

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    Because on a national level most Estonians are Finno-Slavic and welsh are celts so these few exceptions are major outliers in their areas at very VERY low levels nationally speaking. Maybe these T Estonian men are among some of the only dark haired Estonians lol as most, as you correctly stated, are as pale and blonde haired blue eyed as they get. You are correct to a certain degree that haplogroup does not necessarily affect phenotype since the combination of features in a human is more complex than this, affected by both mother and father and other ancestors to certain degrees. But often, within someone's physical features is a certain amount of the genetic legacy of both father and mothers distinct but precise roots...that's all I'm trying to say. If his father was J2 and his mother was mtdna H as is typical found in Italy and rest of European women, he may not be as olive skinned but still has arabid or middle eastern facial features, or swarthy thick black hair and brown eyes, it does affect phenotype to a certain degree, depending on which side of the family the individual took more from.

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    Aren't J2, R1b etc. too general? We should be talking about the subgroups. Otherwise it's too misleading. J2 in Italy and J2 in Turkey/Armenia/Georgia doesn't mean they are identical....

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    J2a found most frequently in Crete, Italy, Cyprus, Anatolia, Caucasus central ( Armenia, Georgia) Azerbaijan, northeast Iran, Lebanon , north Iraq.....J2b found highest in Albania, Greece, parts of apulia......R1b in Italy is predominantly u152 R-S28 subclade, the franco-Swiss type of R1b.....the E1b1b (E-M215) is predominantly within E-V68 of the E-M78 sub-type found mostly this type in Europe ( up to 50% certain zones of the Balkans), also in Sicily, Sardinia etc. E-M78 moved from North Africa to levant then Anatolia and finally Europe..... Within E-M78 there's our famous E-V13 most common E in Europe, especially in the Balkans. There's also E-M81 with its highest global frequencies in the western North Africa Maghreb region....it can be found at 10-20% depending on the locale in different regions of Iberia ( Portugal,Spain) you know...

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    Quote Originally Posted by adamo View Post
    Because on a national level most Estonians are Finno-Slavic and welsh are celts so these few exceptions are major outliers in their areas at very VERY low levels nationally speaking. Maybe these T Estonian men are among some of the only dark haired Estonians lol as most, as you correctly stated, are as pale and blonde haired blue eyed as they get. You are correct to a certain degree that haplogroup does not necessarily affect phenotype since the combination of features in a human is more complex than this, affected by both mother and father and other ancestors to certain degrees. But often, within someone's physical features is a certain amount of the genetic legacy of both father and mothers distinct but precise roots...that's all I'm trying to say. If his father was J2 and his mother was mtdna H as is typical found in Italy and rest of European women, he may not be as olive skinned but still has arabid or middle eastern facial features, or swarthy thick black hair and brown eyes, it does affect phenotype to a certain degree, depending on which side of the family the individual took more from.
    Understand Y-DNA represents less than 2% of your genome, you can understand why such a small component cant explain as much as you have said, and you agree with me haplogroups are unreliable for determining skin pigmentation, because as you put its a more complex process and other factors go into it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by adamo View Post
    J2a found most frequently in Crete, Italy, Cyprus, Anatolia, Caucasus central ( Armenia, Georgia) Azerbaijan, northeast Iran, Lebanon , north Iraq.....J2b found highest in Albania, Greece, parts of apulia......R1b in Italy is predominantly u152 R-S28 subclade, the franco-Swiss type of R1b.....the E1b1b (E-M215) is predominantly within E-V68 of the E-M78 sub-type found mostly this type in Europe ( up to 50% certain zones of the Balkans), also in Sicily, Sardinia etc. E-M78 moved from North Africa to levant then Anatolia and finally Europe..... Within E-M78 there's our famous E-V13 most common E in Europe, especially in the Balkans. There's also E-M81 with its highest global frequencies in the western North Africa Maghreb region....it can be found at 10-20% depending on the locale in different regions of Iberia ( Portugal,Spain) you know...
    So far there are 4 subgroups of J2 in Georgia. Which ones are identical to Italian?

    http://www.familytreedna.com/public/...ction=yresults

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    J2a also known as J-M410 is found in all the aforementioned countries. Variants of J2a are found in Italy as in Georgia, turkey, Armenia, north eastern Iran, Azerbaijan, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by adamo View Post
    J2a also known as J-M410 is found in all the aforementioned countries. Variants of J2a are found in Italy as in Georgia, turkey, Armenia, north eastern Iran, Azerbaijan, etc.
    We have M410-J2a* among Georgians, yes. But in their cluster: J L26- Cluster B| J2a* so far I can't find any Italian.

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    Quote Originally Posted by adamo View Post
    Because on a national level most Estonians are Finno-Slavic and welsh are celts so these few exceptions are major outliers in their areas at very VERY low levels nationally speaking. Maybe these T Estonian men are among some of the only dark haired Estonians lol as most, as you correctly stated, are as pale and blonde haired blue eyed as they get. You are correct to a certain degree that haplogroup does not necessarily affect phenotype since the combination of features in a human is more complex than this, affected by both mother and father and other ancestors to certain degrees. But often, within someone's physical features is a certain amount of the genetic legacy of both father and mothers distinct but precise roots...that's all I'm trying to say. If his father was J2 and his mother was mtdna H as is typical found in Italy and rest of European women, he may not be as olive skinned but still has arabid or middle eastern facial features, or swarthy thick black hair and brown eyes, it does affect phenotype to a certain degree, depending on which side of the family the individual took more from.
    whats does it mean when my dna numbers, Iam not to sure what the scientific name is called but i think there called alleles something like that, what if these numbers match up with cretin people does that mean I share close common ancestor? also doesn't having the same Haplogroup comfirm the same common ancestor? If for eg me and someone else have E1b1b1 or the same subclade, is there still a distance involved, to me it seams like if you have the same Haplogroup your related somewhere down the line right? For subclades for example all the E-V's aren't they all related? even though they have different high frequencies in certain parts around the Mediterranean. Also sorry for all questions but, how do they find subclades how can they see them in the dna results?

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    Well I'm not sure if you match up with cretin people bro you'd have to decide by yourself lollll, no but seriously, yes if you share the same haplogroup group as someone, even if you live in a country where most people are a different haplogroup, it means you cluster more with individuals from other areas/countries that have the same haplogroup as you, there are subclades or subgroups within haplogroups also that have their own places of distribution, but overall, being in the same haplogroup as someone pretty much indicates you have the same region of origin. So if your an italian J2 (20% national level) you have origins in Mesopotamia/ the Fertile Crescent ( the northern Iraq/turkey/Syria region of the Middle East). If your a E1b1b italian ( 10% national level) you find your origins somewhere in North Africa ( possibly Egypt, Tunisia, Algeria etc.) if your a G2a italian (6-8%) you are probably linked to the central Caucasus adyghe I people or certain Georgians, Azeris) note that J2 is also found in Georgians and Azeris, if your R1b italian (50%) your closest to where highest R1b frequencies are found ( Irish , English, French , Belgian) but then your subgroup also tells a very crucial part of the story...most Italians from example are R1b U-152, this is a branch of R1b found most frequently in north-central Italy, Switzerland and France. So most R1b Italians have a branch of R1b making them similar to Swiss and French men, same for all other haplogroups ad their subclades. And don't worry about the questions, we like them! : ) this is what this wonderful forum is for so ask away all day : )

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    Well I'm not sure if you match up with cretin people bro you'd have to decide by yourself lollll, no but seriously, yes if you share the same haplogroup group as someone, even if you live in a country where most people are a different haplogroup, it means you cluster more with individuals from other areas/countries that have the same haplogroup as you, there are subclades or subgroups within haplogroups also that have their own places of distribution, but overall, being in the same haplogroup as someone pretty much indicates you have the same region of origin. So if your an italian J2 (20% national level) you have origins in Mesopotamia/ the Fertile Crescent ( the northern Iraq/turkey/Syria region of the Middle East). If your a E1b1b italian ( 10% national level) you find your origins somewhere in North Africa ( possibly Egypt, Tunisia, Algeria etc.) if your a G2a italian (6-8%) you are probably linked to the central Caucasus adyghe I people or certain Georgians, Azeris) note that J2 is also found in Georgians and Azeris, if your R1b italian (50%) your closest to where highest R1b frequencies are found ( Irish , English, French , Belgian) but then your subgroup also tells a very crucial part of the story...most Italians from example are R1b U-152, this is a branch of R1b found most frequently in north-central Italy, Switzerland and France. So most R1b Italians have a branch of R1b making them similar to Swiss and French men, same for all other haplogroups ad their subclades. And don't worry about the questions, we like them! : ) this is what this wonderful forum is for so ask away all day : )
    sorry that was a typo I meant to say Certain.

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    Haplogroups can not determine traits such as skin pigmentation....SO what are you telling me? An N1c Finnic man can be darker then a haplogroup A or B black man? What are you telling me? That haplogroup E men from Egypt are paler than R1b Britons or Irish? Yes it's 2% of the genome but your most recent paternal haplogroup mutation is the one that survives today in you so it's your personal most recent mutation. Haplogroups do determine how you look since a mutation made a man inherit his haplogroup and all members of that haplogroup trace back to that man now dislike this post too please as you have my past 6 ones lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by adamo View Post
    Haplogroups can not determine traits such as skin pigmentation....SO what are you telling me? An N1c Finnic man can be darker then a haplogroup A or B black man? What are you telling me? That haplogroup E men from Egypt are paler than R1b Britons or Irish? Yes it's 2% of the genome but your most recent paternal haplogroup mutation is the one that survives today in you so it's your personal most recent mutation. Haplogroups do determine how you look since a mutation made a man inherit his haplogroup and all members of that haplogroup trace back to that man now dislike this post too please as you have my past 6 ones lol
    I honestly did not dislike one of your posts, im no hypocrite, I dont know who did it but its certainly wrong for them to do so, you havent been insulting or unhelpful.
    Back to the point, Haplogroup A exists in Britian as a relic of Nubian Roman slaves, so yes a man who is haplogroup A can look lighter than an R1b man
    This is common knowledge that haplogroups come into populations and become absorbed, so there is no recognizable difference in surrounding peoples.
    Haplogroups have very ancient origins, and after tens of thousands of years populations adapt to new conditions, sorry but youll be better suited to look at autosomal DNA to explain what you are talking about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anthro-inclined View Post
    Why should he not listen to what I said its true. Just because you think that phenotypes and haplogroups go hand in hand , dosent mean everyone does, haplogroups are not used for this purpose, go look at autosomal genetics if you want to talk about phenotypes. give a convincing argument on why im wrong, dont just state it. Also please dont mis use the reputation system, how was I being unhelpful or insulting, I gave him the position most genecists take, if you dont like it present a convincing argument to back your theory I will have no problem debating with you.
    For example heres a reason why haplogroups are unreliable for determining or correlating to phenotypes. Estonia carrys some of the highest frequencies of haplogroup T in Europe just behind Italy, a middle eastern marker most common in the horn of Africa but yet Estonia pocesses the highest frequencies of blue eyes and blonde hair. Another case is in the Welsh town of Abergele, they pocess a frequencey of 33% of E1b1b, but they still look like other Welsh.
    Excellent examples Anthro-... I didn't know this about Estonia or Abergele.

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    There are many instances where they don't go hand in hand and other instances where they do I suppose, I don't know it would be interesting to further discuss this maybe I can learn some more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kardu View Post
    So far there are 4 subgroups of J2 in Georgia. Which ones are identical to Italian?

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    from the 2008 papers, north-east Italy has 3% of J2a1k .....what is this?
    Father's Mtdna H95a1
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    Zanipolo I am haplogroup T L299+, but I'm literally the only person in the genographic project that had a new subgroup created for me, T-PF7443 , whatever that means. Do u have any info on this lol...I saw on ISOGG website that L299 positive puts me in T1a1 and I ordered ftdna project for more detailed info but do u have any idea where this subclade of T is found most

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    Adamo, Anthro- is spot on. Y-haplogroup membership techniquely has no effect on skin color. As more and more ethnic mixing occurs, the racial aspect to y-dna will disappear.


    This next part is my opinion only though. I think there are aspects effected by y-dna that science either hasn't figured out or are not keen on sharing. I think some haplogroups have an earlier onset of puberty than others, and that some y-haplogroups have higher testosterone levels than others. DNA is more complicated and linked in ways that we may never fully realize.

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    That last segment is rubbish I have met individuals, men in particular, from all racial backgrounds and colors that when I took a look seemed to have low testosterone. Some where tall others very dark others white....testosterone varies on an individual basis considering even within a population there is 85% of the variability/diversity found throughout the entire world. And haplogroup membership does have an effect on skin color but there are many exceptions. For example mtdna haplogroup J is found at 20-25% across the Arabian peninsula and the Middle East. It's also found in certain Danish and German women. It has been in the same spot on the Arabian peninsula for thousands of years without moving, the Arabian variety. Those J women from Denmark and Germany look just like most Germans though, because their J traveled very far from its origin point to colder temperatures Europe over thousands of years and then subsequently diluted itself/mixed in with R1b or I1a depending on the locale they where in. So instead of mixing in with similar middle eastern paternal haplogroups as in the Middle East, over thousands of years of being diluted with men from a different haplogroup, they lost their trademark J looks. So there are many exceptions but say J2 men for example, some of them came over to Italy during greek colonization or the Etruscans of 800 B.C. , they came much later, still holding on to their darker complexion, even though they mixed in with local mtdna H women so many don't look olive anymore etc, but there are exceptions

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