Jewish people, where they are from?

Some Philistine outliers were old Greek-like, I don't remember majority of samples plotting in the Myceneaen cluster. Only 2. I could be wrong though.

One or two still plotted with Mycenaeans as I recall. The rest were already admixed with locals.

This isn't to say, of course, that this would have been the same for every Philistine settlement.
 
All modern jews, from the whole world are quite close to each other (ruling out a modern Era european admixture), and all seems to be in between modern europeans and levantines (suite clear on a PCA chart). We Know modern levantines are canaanites mostly. If we take a bible as a possible historical sources (it has proven to ne historicly accurate countless Times) the bible says that overtime the hebrews were condemned many Times for having mixed with canaanites (and adopting their Baal cults) and After the macchabean révolt, with edomites (who were also partly canaanites). Their paternal ancestry is claimed by themselves to Come from king Herod who was, in historical and biblical records a grandson (paternal Line) of an edomite usurper put in place by Rome. This edomite and canaanites admixture was concentrated mostly in cities during impérial roman Era, the countrysides remaining more hebrew. That means many things:
J1 is edomite dna
E1B1A is probably canaanites dna
We dont Know the ancient hebrew haplotype.
Ancient Hebrews were close to modern europeans populations.
This explains ancient hebrew relying on milk as a major food source and Being a pastoral War tribe.
This explains biblical and historical depictions of them being "white" (David depiction, galileans depiction...)
This explains the 10 Lost tribes assimilating so well with the scythians before Germanic invasions
This explains Spartans being called abrahamites in the bible.
This explains christ calling pharisees "seed of Satan and false sons of Abraham"
This explains said pharisees to have a racial préjudice against galileans (wich implies a visible ethnic différence)
 
I am taking from all of this that e1b1b1
Might be present among the cannanites ;)
But to be fair
Along with j1 who came from the north
By the bronze age cannanite period
J1 was already in the levant which does
Show in bronze remains from jordan and lebanon

P.s
Yes most modern day jews
Are mixture of levant+ european autosomally speaking:unsure:
 
Yes but no ancient hebrew remains have been found and analysed, canaanites and edomites were also in the levant during all the bronze age
 
Yes but no ancient hebrew remains have been found and analysed, canaanites and edomites were also in the levant during all the bronze age

that is correct so let us hope in the future we will see some ;)
 
Now way k*kes will let any true sample Come Out and you know it, some of their agents like David Reich are known to be politicly motivated liars
 
Now way k*kes will let any true sample Come Out and you know it, some of their agents like David Reich are known to be politicly motivated liars

why from what they are afraid off ?


p.s
i want them to expose some anceint remains from judea because
i hope my rare branch under e-m84 will show up
 
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Now way k*kes will let any true sample Come Out and you know it, some of their agents like David Reich are known to be politicly motivated liars

You are banned for the use of antisemitic slurs. Don't ever pollute this site with your presence again.
 
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You are banned for the use of antisemitic slurs. Don't ever pollute this site with your presence again.

Thanks (y)
This dude was confused it is not apricity here
You can't curse jews or any other group of people and get away with it

P.s
Side note
We are not in a lab outside there is
A reality and unfortunley some people don't
Like jews or looking at them as a scapegoat
Whatever not in this forum kudos angela
 
Khazarian myth debunked

Jews aren't the Khazars - that was nazi propaganda. Are you happy with spreading nazi propaganda?
 
Have we ever discussed here about Khazaria, the Eastern European state, and its Khazar rulers that converted to Judaism in the VIII century?
Koestler argued that a proof that Ashkenazi Jews have no biological connection to biblical Jews would remove the racial basis of European anti-Semitism.

Yes, it was only a theory.



https://www.rhesusnegative.net/staynegative/jews-are-not-khazars/

It started before that:
In 1839, the Karaim scholar Abraham Firkovich was appointed by the Russian government as a researcher into the origins of the Jewish sect known as the Karaites. In 1846, one of his acquaintances, the Russian orientalist Vasilii Vasil’evich Grigor’ev (1816–1881), theorised that the Crimean Karaites were of Khazar stock. Firkovich vehemently rejected the idea, a position seconded by Firkovich, who hoped that by “proving” his people were of Turkish origin, would secure them exception from Russian anti-Jewish laws, since they bore no responsibility for Christ’s crucifixion. This idea has a notable impact in Crimean Karaite circles. It is now believed that he forged much of this material on Khazars and Karaites. Specialists in Khazar history also question the connection. Brook’s genetic study of European Karaites found no evidence of a Khazar or Turkic origin for any uniparental lineage but did reveal the European Karaites’ links to Egyptian Karaites and to Rabbinical Jewish communities.

How many times does a theory need to be exposed in order for people to dismiss it?


 
Never, apparently.

Modern genetics should have killed it off, but one thing I absolutely know about most human beings is that if they like an idea they'll stick to it no matter how much proof is proffered to the contrary.
 
More clarity about Ashkenazic ancestry

I'm responding to some points you've discussed in this Jewish ancestry thread. The details are in my 2022 peer-reviewed study The Maternal Genetic Lineages of Ashkenazic Jews, published in book form. The main purpose of this book is to provide better information on lineages, when it was available, than Costa et al. 2013, "A Substantial Prehistoric European Ancestry amongst Ashkenazi Maternal Lineages". As Angela said here in 2015, "You would have to get to very specific subclade differentiation [...] Costa et al didn't drill down far enough into the mtDna to determine which of these possibilities is correct."

1. The mtDNA haplogroup K1a9 is definitely of Near Eastern, not European, origin, as we know from recent K1a9 examples from Kurdistan and Syria (page 75).

2. HV1b2 (page 58), U1b1 (page 101), and H47 (pages 53-54) are probably also of Near Eastern origin, among other mtDNA haplogroups Ashkenazi Jews have that are of Near Eastern origin.

3. There isn't any Cossack ancestry in Ashkenazim (pages 8-9). That means there weren't any Cossack rape babies, thankfully.

4. Western Ashkenazim aren't identical to Eastern Ashkenazim but they're very close. There are definite Slavic (pages 47-48, 122), North Caucasian (page 7), and Chinese (pages 80-81) ancestries pulling Eastern Ashkenazim slightly away from Western Ashkenazim. The study "Genome-wide data from medieval German Jews show that the Ashkenazi founder event pre-dated the 14th century" by Shamam Waldman, Daniel Backenroth, et al. in Cell on November 30, 2022 "suggests that the majority of Eastern European-related gene flow [into Jews] has predated the 14th century" (page 46 of Supplemental Data S1). The best evidence we have at the moment suggests that it's medieval Czech and medieval and early-modern Polish and mostly came from women.

5. As many as four Ashkenazic mtDNA haplogroups could be of Khazarian Turkic origin (pages 140-141) but a strong argument can only be made for two of them: N9a3 and A12'23. These also contribute to the slight eastern pull of Eastern Ashkenazim.

6. Some modern people who identify themselves as Crimean Karaites have one Crimean Tatar Y-DNA haplogroup (page 180). I think it's from recent intermarriage and certainly not Khazarian.

7. There are multiple Ashkenazic mtDNA lineages of German origin. J1c7a (page 67) and H7j1 (pages 44-45) are prominent examples. I should have cited the pre-modern J1c7a male sample ALH-1 from Altheim cemetery in Bavaria coming from the data set for the study "Population genomic analysis of elongated skulls reveals extensive female-biased immigration in Early Medieval Bavaria", whose personal autosomal composition was Northern European.

8. Some Jewish men and women in Poland converted to Christianity during the 18th and 19th centuries as we know from the historians Adam Kaźmierczyk, Paweł Maciejko, and Magda Teter. As a result, multiple Ashkenazic haplogroups did enter the Polish community, including the mtDNA haplogroups H3p, K1a1b1a, K1a9, K2a2a1, and L2a1l2a (page 133).

9. In Eupedia thread 25787 entitled "K1a4a1- Jewish or not?", Maciamo had expressed doubt that any Ashkenazim belong to the mtDNA haplogroup K1a4a. Some really do (page 73). There are 6 confirmed varieties of haplogroup K in Ashkenazim, not only the 3 famous ones.

YFull's MTree continues to evolve and their new updates from this year enable additional precise assignments beyond those in my book. They even started to split out the massive Ashkenazic haplogroups K1a1b1a and K1a9 into subclades, finally!
 
I honestly don't buy the Khazar theory for Ashkenazi origins. Just doesn't add up in many ways. There are admittedly a few Jews with some minor East Euro Turkic-Central Asian influences, but not on the scale that you'd be expecting if an entire Turkic people converted en masse and migrated west.

I think they entered via southern Europe/Mediterranean, like Italy, and worked their way up toward central Europe and the Germany/Poland area gradually in the early Middle Ages. They probably assimilated and mixed with gentile European individuals early on, but later not as much, and solidified into a more distinct ethnic group with a degree of relative inbreeding among the community, which largely kept to itself. That's just the Ashkenazis though; the Sephardics and Mizrahis had their own separate paths.
 
True, Nicu. What we realize now is that only a portion of the Khazars ever converted to Judaism, including some (not all) members of the royal family and some governors and generals and other individuals, and out of those only a portion remained Jewish after the Khazar kingdom fell in the 960s.

Christianity, Islam, and Shamanism are attested among many of the Khazars.

Jewish artifacts have not yet been found at Semibugry, the probable remains of their capital city, Atil.

Also, some of the Jews in Khazaria had Israelite ancestry. Jews living in Phanagoria imported an amphora with Hebrew and Greek inscriptions (per Larisa A. Golofast's article "Rannesrednevekovaya amfora s drevneyevreyskoy nadpis'yu na svintsovoy plombe iz Fanagorii" in the July-August-September 2020 issue of Rossiyskaya arkheologiya). This suggests ongoing contacts with Byzantine Jews and Jewish migrations from the Byzantine Empire, the latter being a fact Al-Masudi wrote about in the 10th century.

That being said, about 0.516% of Ashkenazim carry that most probable Khazarian haplogroup N9a3 -- so as a ratio that's roughly 1 per every 200 Ashkenazi individuals. Due to centuries of endogamy, nearly every living Ashkenazic person descends from that first Jewish N9a3.
 
9. In Eupedia thread 25787 entitled "K1a4a1- Jewish or not?", Maciamo had expressed doubt that any Ashkenazim belong to the mtDNA haplogroup K1a4a. Some really do (page 73). There are 6 confirmed varieties of haplogroup K in Ashkenazim, not only the 3 famous ones.
That is why it is so important to separate known facts from thoughts and then maybe add thoughts all supported by references added.
 

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