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Thread: Distribution of G2a in Italy (Boattini et al.)

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    That's correct.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zanipolo View Post
    G-L497
    Spatial frequency distribution of the median HT cluster specific for haplogroup G-L497 in Europe. The frequency data were obtained by a search in the YHRD (release 41) and comprise 260 samples belonging to the median HT cluster found in 34,386 samples from 173 European population samples (sample size > 50). The sample locations are indicated by “+”.



    Clearly G2a3 hg did not come by boat to north Italy







    interesting map - but what weight have this downstream SNP among western Y-G2a? and what is the value of this 'median' STR ??? before answer I need to know that -
    that said, Austria and Switzerland, by their position, could have received G2a from maritime-" then rhodanian" cardial (subsequent cultures from cardial are attested archeologically and anthropologicaly in Switzerland) and from "fluvial" danubian neolithicers, no big surprise -

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    Quote Originally Posted by MOESAN View Post

    interesting map - but what weight have this downstream SNP among western Y-G2a? and what is the value of this 'median' STR ??? before answer I need to know that -
    that said, Austria and Switzerland, by their position, could have received G2a from maritime-" then rhodanian" cardial (subsequent cultures from cardial are attested archeologically and anthropologicaly in Switzerland) and from "fluvial" danubian neolithicers, no big surprise -

    that map represents only 1 SNP and that is G-L497 ...........stated that it was created by the Raeti in the alps
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    The biggest high of G in Greece is found in the Thessaly region of central Greece were 12% of men belong to G. Much of th rest of the country has 4-8% frequencies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zanipolo View Post
    G-L497
    Spatial frequency distribution of the median HT cluster specific for haplogroup G-L497 in Europe. The frequency data were obtained by a search in the YHRD (release 41) and comprise 260 samples belonging to the median HT cluster found in 34,386 samples from 173 European population samples (sample size > 50). The sample locations are indicated by “+”.



    Clearly G2a3 hg did not come by boat to north Italy
    I 'm late to answer this:
    this STR based figure provides NO trail at first sight - and the bipolar occupation in NW and NE Italy BUT NOT in NC Italy is intriguing too so?
    one can answer me the former trail was erased by subsequent invasions, it is possible - but the fact is: this figure speaks for A PART (only) of the Y-G2a3
    what is more informative is the GLOBAL difference of SNPs with Otzi and Corsicans-Sardinians that are more "maritime"like - (look at other thread about G2) -but In think now that, yes, this G2a are more continental than maritime

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    What is the relationship between Italian G2a and Caucasian G2a ? My tests told me i was 80% Italian, but I talked to the local Geneticist and he said "by that analysis we're all 80% Italian" He says that's only due to the lack of data and it would be just as accurate/inaccurate if they give all Italian G2a's 80% Georgian origin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by G2ian View Post
    What is the relationship between Italian G2a and Caucasian G2a ? My tests told me i was 80% Italian, but I talked to the local Geneticist and he said "by that analysis we're all 80% Italian" He says that's only due to the lack of data and it would be just as accurate/inaccurate if they give all Italian G2a's 80% Georgian origin.
    It is EXTREMELY unlikely that a Georgian comes out as 80% autosomally Italian.

    I think you may be confused about uniparental markers like your yDna and autosomal dna. They are very different.

    Please go to one of the threads that has posts about Georgian autosomal dna, or you could start one and post the results from the tests you took. Genealogy is very different from genetics.

    There are various sub-groups of G2a in Italy, some more "Central European", some Anatolian etc.

    Ray Banks is very knowledgeable. This might be helpful.
    https://sites.google.com/site/haplogroupgproject/


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    Oh no > livingDNA has 3 different results. Autosomal (on which I am 55.9% Italian)

    However what I was mentioning above was my Y results. But I just went there to check again and it seems to have changed(do they change these results over time?) It used to say 80% Italy and 20% Eastern Europe, now it is more specific and diverse. Also I can't find my exact strand on Ray Banks I've looked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by G2ian View Post
    Oh no > livingDNA has 3 different results. Autosomal (on which I am 55.9% Italian)

    However what I was mentioning above was my Y results. But I just went there to check again and it seems to have changed(do they change these results over time?) It used to say 80% Italy and 20% Eastern Europe, now it is more specific and diverse. Also I can't find my exact strand on Ray Banks I've looked.
    Could you please post a screen shot of the LivingDNA page which tells you that? I knew they were terrible, but this terrible? :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by G2ian View Post
    Oh no > livingDNA has 3 different results. Autosomal (on which I am 55.9% Italian)

    However what I was mentioning above was my Y results. But I just went there to check again and it seems to have changed(do they change these results over time?) It used to say 80% Italy and 20% Eastern Europe, now it is more specific and diverse. Also I can't find my exact strand on Ray Banks I've looked.

    I already thought before tonight that LivingDNA was not very accurate, but if this result you say is true is the ultimate proof that Autosomal result of LivingDNA is a big joke.



    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    Could you please post a screen shot of the LivingDNA page which tells you that? I knew they were terrible, but this terrible? :)

    The autosomal results of LivingDNA are very inaccurate. Maybe it works well with the British and a few others but for many other ethnic groups it gives imaginative and unbelievable results.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brick View Post
    I already thought before tonight that LivingDNA was not very accurate, but if this result you say is true is the ultimate proof that Autosomal result of LivingDNA is a big joke.






    The autosomal results of LivingDNA are very inaccurate. Maybe it works well with the British and a few others but for many other ethnic groups it gives imaginative and unbelievable results.
    If our new member isn't misinterpreting it, they should get sued for malpractice! :)

    That's why I'd like to see the actual screenshot.

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    Umm, this forum is a pain in the neck. It wont allow me to make posts properly because I don't have 10 posts yet It's blocking any link i post, I guess it's a spam deterrent.

    But yea As soon as I get to 10 I'll post pics.


    Yea I knew it was a joke because they have no designation for Caucasus countries but they instead say "Northeast Turkey" aka Turkified Georgian region with same dna as Caucasus. And "northwest Caucaus". my %s are divided between the two. Georgian Geneticist who works in the Tbilisi medical university had a good laugh at me after he saw my haplogroup and compared it to the results. It seems my Ydna is most common in western Georgia but not according to LivingDNA.

    Edit: I can PM you and you post it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    If our new member isn't misinterpreting it, they should get sued for malpractice! :)

    That's why I'd like to see the actual screenshot.
    LivingDNA is so inaccurate with so many ethnic groups that these results could also be true, because of LivingDNa which is not accurate. Obviously even if true these results remain not at all credible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by G2ian View Post
    Oh no > livingDNA has 3 different results. Autosomal (on which I am 55.9% Italian)

    However what I was mentioning above was my Y results. But I just went there to check again and it seems to have changed(do they change these results over time?) It used to say 80% Italy and 20% Eastern Europe, now it is more specific and diverse. Also I can't find my exact strand on Ray Banks I've looked.
    Are you Georgian?
    The result with so much Italian is incredible. I am much closer to Italy and I do not even have 15% of what you have ... and those probably swollen. Not even many Italians have so many percent of Italy. lol ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by gidai View Post
    Are you Georgian?
    The result with so much Italian is incredible. I am much closer to Italy and I do not even have 10% of what you have ... and those probably swollen. Not even many Italians have so many percent of Italy. lol ...
    Yes I can trace at least 6 generations of paternal grandparents to my ancestral village... and beyond that it's traced by last names which in my case is native to that region.

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    Don't let it upset you. It's just because they have no Georgian samples, obviously.

    What they're picking up on is the early Anatolian farmer mixed with some Iranian Neolithic which you share with Southern Italians and Greeks.

    There's a calculator out there, I can't remember which one, which doesn't have Tuscan or even northern Italian samples, just ones from Southern Italy. It told me I was Bulgarian!

    I can trace most of my family lines back to about 1550.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    Don't let it upset you. It's just because they have no Georgian samples, obviously.

    What they're picking up on is the early Anatolian farmer mixed with some Iranian Neolithic which you share with Southern Italians and Greeks.

    There's a calculator out there, I can't remember which one, which doesn't have Tuscan or even northern Italian samples, just ones from Southern Italy. It told me I was Bulgarian!

    I can trace most of my family lines back to about 1550.
    Why would I be upset. Italians and Georgians are related either way through G ancestry..

    Lasagna doesn't fall too far from Achma it seems

    Yea G must stand for Gourmet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by G2ian View Post
    Yes I can trace at least 6 generations of paternal grandparents to my ancestral village... and beyond that it's traced by last names which in my case is native to that region.
    And nothing from England?! For L-dna this is imposible...

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    Quote Originally Posted by gidai View Post
    And nothing from England?! For L-dna this is imposible...
    Pardon me ? L-dna ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by G2ian View Post
    Pardon me ? L-dna ?
    Living_DNA

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    Quote Originally Posted by G2ian View Post
    Why would I be upset. Italians and Georgians are related either way through G ancestry..
    Y-DNA G exists throughout Europe and it is not a special relationship between Italians and Georgians.


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    Quote Originally Posted by brick View Post
    Y-DNA G exists throughout Europe and it is not a special relationship between Italians and Georgians.

    They look like us, They have similar cuisine, They are expressive and emotive. Western Georgian dialects sound very much like south Italian, they also have similar folk music, they have close family ties and they're almost as good at mafia as us.

    Genetics or not there's plenty of similarities.

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    As a half-Italian American, I must say I have always had a weakness for Georgian women

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    You amaze me. Where the heck do you find Georgian women in New York, or anywhere in the U.S.???

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    (maybe he's confusing them with women from the state of Georgia)

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