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Thread: Distribution of I1 in Italy (Boattini et al.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by I1a3_Young View Post
    That's not enough STRs to get good matches for relations. I will stick to the highest chance of being a more rare Ostrogothic Y line.
    There is only one "close" match I found ........a person living in Marche italy with surname Zianni
    Zianni in the old and current venetian language is the same as Giovanni in Italian ( english John )

    I do agree with you that it is not enough
    có che un pòpoło no 'l defende pi ła só łéngua el xe prónto par èser s'ciavo

    when a people no longer dares to defend its language it is ripe for slavery.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marcellus View Post
    Hi,

    I tested positive for M253! And it goes on like this: Z140 > Y6231 > Y7277 > Y10890*
    With the particularity of having marker DYS426=10
    The latest ancestor I could track born around 1770, was from Molise, Campobasso!
    I'm also: I1-Z60>Z140>Z141>FGC22406>Y7279>Y10890>A1994

    With DYS426=10 which is pretty rare in this area of the Z140+ branch.

    I've been paired with 3 other folks who are within this or deeper subclades, all from Sicily.

    As far as paternal line, I'm stuck in the VA, USA 1783. I'm currently testing for A1922 which has a Hungarian lineage. So I'm looking for a back door through migration out of Sicily to Hungary then to Switzerland to semi-confirm my probable lineage. It looks like the closest of the I-Y10890 STR matches might be 16-21 generations back which would put the separation about 400-600ybp.

    LMK if I'm on the wrong path.

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    Quote Originally Posted by whirly View Post
    I'm also: I1-Z60>Z140>Z141>FGC22406>Y7279>Y10890>A1994

    With DYS426=10 which is pretty rare in this area of the Z140+ branch.

    I've been paired with 3 other folks who are within this or deeper subclades, all from Sicily.

    As far as paternal line, I'm stuck in the VA, USA 1783. I'm currently testing for A1922 which has a Hungarian lineage. So I'm looking for a back door through migration out of Sicily to Hungary then to Switzerland to semi-confirm my probable lineage. It looks like the closest of the I-Y10890 STR matches might be 16-21 generations back which would put the separation about 400-600ybp.

    LMK if I'm on the wrong path.
    Are you ordering single SNPs? What company are you testing with?
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    I was tested by FTDNA for Y10890, A1994 and A1922. Y10890 was ordered first and came back positive. I ordered the A1994 and A1922 from FTDNA after getting the Y10890 results. But that was a month ago and there is still another month to go before they say they can provide the results. I subsequently tested with YSEQ, on a suggestion from the admin of the I-Z140 Project, for A1994 for which I have already tested positive and A1974 which is one of the SNP's for HG-A1922 and am waiting on the results for that one. YSEQ is much faster and less expensive, if you only need a couple of SNP's, than FTDNA, even with having to do the cheek swab again via international mail.

    I'm still in the mirror house here but decided to forgo the shotgun approach (BIG Y) and ask for pointers. It seems to have worked out well for me so far. Now all I have to do is find more folks with my HG who are not in Italy. Not that I'm adverse to the Italians, I grew up as a WASP in an Italian neighborhood and have lots of friends there, but my documented paper trail is not pointing to Sicily unless there was an Italian migration into the Americas prior to 1780. It's a long shot but if you don't go down the road you'll never know where it leads.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Northern Adriatic View Post
    I may be slightly off-topic but maybe you could help me with something.

    23andme results regarding my haplogroup were a bit surprising for me (I-Z58).

    The ancestry on my paternal line should really be in central-northern Adriatic Italy (Romagna/Marche), vs maternal line which is pure Venetian.
    I wanted to understand better where the haplogroup may come from. Could you suggest me the best way to move forward with this (happy to do more detailed tests which could trace the subclades from I-Z58 and therefore, possibly, the movements of my I1 ancestor)?

    Anecdotally, while the 23andme autosomal dna pushes the Italian side a lot (90+) with low percentages from Balkans&Greece and Scandinavia, on the various Gedmatch calculators the results come out with a much stronger East Med number than expected (also looking at the phenotypes of my family, if that makes sense) lower than expected Atlantic, West Med and North Sea, higher than expected Baltic and West Asian.

    Close generally to Tuscany, Greece Thessaly and Albania (or to Szolad37, 3.8 distance) . Slightly confusing, as I should not have significant southern Italian heritage (except for a quarter in Abruzzo), but could have something to do with the Venetian side too (since there is a lot of Venice lagoon heritage there and for centuries there have been any type of exchanges between Venetians, Ottomans, Greeks, Albanians, South Slavs) and in general with the Adriatic being historically land of various mixes.

    To make it short, I didn't expect neither a scandinavian/west germanic haplogroup nor such a strong east med part of me at the autosomal level.

    Eager to hear your suggestions on how to move forward on the haplogroup digging!
    Have you tested after Aug 2017, i.e., have you tested 23andMe v5?

    The fact 23andMe categorizes you some way doesn't "necessarily" mean the Raw Data doesn't include positive results for downstream SNPs. Perhaps yes, perhaps no.

    If you tested the v5, you could search for the following SNPs (you may browse the rs number or search for the position at Raw Data):

    SNP Group RS Hg19 pos Anc Der
    Z58 I1a2 rs772609696 9847423 T C
    Z59 I1a2a rs757424414 16802360 G T
    Z61 I1a2a1a1 rs752865900 19329927 G T
    Z60 I1a2a1a1 rs773711447 18234588 C G
    Z140 I1a2a1a1a rs768549242 17863355 G A
    Z141 I1a2a1a1a rs758870120 7530813 A G
    Z2535 I1a2a1a1a1 rs765711588 22142382 G T
    YSC0000261 I1a2a1a1a1a rs751841691 14976484 C T
    Z2538 I1a2a1a1a1b rs778999339 22844178 G T
    F2642.1 I1a2a1a1a2 rs376636841 17936279 G A
    Y5497 I1a2a1a1a3 i701072 17253349 T C
    Y6900 I1a2a1a1a3a i706588 23030253 G A
    Y7140 I1a2a1a1a3a1 i702558 8448432 T G
    Y7477 I1a2a1a1a3a1a i705732 13818342 G A
    Y6885 I1a2a1a1a3a2a i703032 16267366 G T
    Y3657 I1a2a1a1d1a1 rs755882976 23885777 G C
    Y5448 I1a2a1a1d1a1a1 i704541 8757595 A T
    Y5568 I1a2a1a1d1a1a2 i705743 23963569 A C
    L573 I1a2a1a1d1b i704699 16020280 T C
    L1248 I1a2a1a1d2 i703630 5274925 A G
    M219 I1a2a1a1d2a1a rs2032669 15436915 T C
    L803 I1a2a1a1d2a1c i705100 17599534 T C
    Z139 I1a2b rs777599897 21288655 G T
    Z138.1 I1a2b rs746300057 15711340 C G

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    Quote Originally Posted by Northern Adriatic View Post
    Well, first of all thanks a lot. I'm a super beginner in this! Browsing on the raw data.. they are all there... I am not sure if I am making a very stupid statement (such as, of course they're all there but you should check X,Y,Z) but I can say that they're all on the raw data!

    PS: yes, I have tested just very recently!

    I know nothing about I1 ......but my paternal grandmother ydna side is ...... I1-Y33791
    They are from Merlengo and before this Pederobba in Veneto

    I do not think I1 ydna is uncommon haplogroup in italy , but unsure
    Fathers mtdna ... T2b17
    Grandfather mtdna ... T1a1e
    Sons mtdna ... K1a4
    Mum paternal line ... R1b-S8172
    Grandmum paternal side ... I1-Y33791
    Wife paternal line ... R1a-Z282

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    Quote Originally Posted by Northern Adriatic View Post
    Well, first of all thanks a lot. I'm a super beginner in this! Browsing on the raw data.. they are all there... I am not sure if I am making a very stupid statement (such as, of course they're all there but you should check X,Y,Z) but I can say that they're all on the raw data!

    PS: yes, I have tested just very recently!
    The results you've sent me are very interesting. As I told you, if they're correct, you'd be either a basal I-Z58 (I-Z58*) or a pre-I-Z139 (Z139+, Z138-). Either way, cool! :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Northern Adriatic View Post
    Thanks Torzio. Actually the side of the I1-Z58 YDNA is not from Veneto though.
    It's the one supposed to be from Romagna-Marche (tracing back generations).
    It's a side on which I don't know much in terms of history (compared to the Venetian line) and I would find super interesting to know if the I1 Y-DNA comes from Germanic people? Maybe from Lombards, Goths? Maybe from the Balkans since my autosomal dna on eurogenics and co keeps associating me to Albanians? Maybe through Bologna? Spoleto? Ravenna? Campobasso? Benevento? Who knows It would be cool if it was through Friuli o Vicenza though, it would reconnect with the pure Venetian side :)




    Thanks a lot because first of all I've learned a lot through a few PMs with you.
    Not sure what to do next now BTW below the MorleyDNA prediction based on the 23andme raw data upload.
    https: // imgur . com/a/cNtun0c
    maybe you are an ostrogoth ......there capital was modern Ravenna ............they where replaced in Italy by the Lombards after losing a war to them

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ostrogoths

    or maybe you came via the celtic invasion of lombardy and romagna by the Boii and Semnones group

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    Quote Originally Posted by Northern Adriatic View Post
    Thanks a lot because first of all I've learned a lot through a few PMs with you.
    Not sure what to do next now BTW below the MorleyDNA prediction based on the 23andme raw data upload.
    https: // imgur . com/a/cNtun0c
    I'm in agreement with Morley then.
    Again, cool results!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Northern Adriatic View Post
    Would it make sense to buy the YSEQ I-Z139 test and give it a try? I would assume a negative result would "confirm" basal I-Z58, while a positive... well I don't know considering the negative for I-Z138!
    Sure. You could try the SNP Z139, here: https://www.yseq.net/product_info.php?products_id=30239 .

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