
Originally Posted by
Fire Haired
no i completly disagee with I1 spreading with Nordic bronze age the why is finland also I1 and they have I1a2c diffenrt subclade than rest of scandnvai what u said about it comming in nordic bronze age is not true at all Y DNA R1b U1o6, I2a2, and red hair came to scandnvai with teh German langauge German religion and nordic bronze age I1a2 was already completly settled scandnavia by then and Urlic speakers conquered finland all the way back 8,000 years ago and brought N1c1 I1a2c was laready dominte in finland 8,000 years ago this means scandnavien I1a2 is at least opver 10,000 years old ther eis no way it came in bronze age or any other age that started after 10,000 years ago your age estimtes are way way way way way way way way way way way to young the dots just dont connect I1 is pre Neolithic pre any thing that is not dumb cavemen times like Paleolithic and Mesolithic it is a hunter gather haplogroup i dont know exactly how they define the mutations and stuff in Y DNA haplogroups to figure out how big the population was but they do and from what have heard the I1 people in Scandinavia had a small population and where most likely hunter gathers for almost all their hostory
I1a2 in scandnavia is extremly ancient it pre dates teh German languages 4,000ybp and Uralic languages 8,000ybp it most likley comes from the first string human settlments in Scandnavia 10,000-12,000ybp since I1a2 was already spread out in finland and the rest of Scandinavia before uralic language 8,000ybp and that al I1a2 is scandnavien that I1a2 orignated in Scandinavia at least 10,000ybp in my opinion there is no doubt I1a2 is a marker of the first Scandinavians and since I1 is so old we still find I1 left overs in the rest of Europe liek I1a1, I1a3, I1a4, and I1b they split from Scandvien I1a4 over 12,000ybp I1 may have been the the most popular Y DNA haplogroup in europe before 10,000ybp
i think there needs to be tons of study of I1 it is very important to lear about europeans from over 10,000ybp and we need to learn how it spread extacley how old it is i already know it is defintley over 20,000 years old and we need to know where te ancestor of Scandnavien I1a2 is meaning I1a that can tell where teh first human to come to scandnavia came from i am guessing Germany since I1a1, I1a3, and I1a4 are 10-20% in Germany and since most mtDNA in Scandnavia is H1, H3, V, U5b1 all of these are from migrations that came form northern iberia about 15,000ybp experts call it the iberian refuge there is tons of evidence for it i wonder if I1a is in northern spain and southern france i saw one study from 2004 that searched for I* the highest amount was in France at about 5% from over 60 samples in normandy and southern france i think the more we study I1 and I2 the more we will know how people migrted acroos europe over 10,000ybp it seems I1 is much older than I2 and has been spread out in europe for at least 10,000 years and soon we will have y dna from people in Europe from over 10,000ybp maybe even 30,000ybp this will tell alot my best guess for y dna of lets say a person in germany from 15,000ybp is I1 or I1a