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    Y-DNA haplogroup
    R1b
    MtDNA haplogroup
    W6

    Ethnic group
    Polish
    Country: Poland



    I checked Y-DNA haplogroups of Germans from former German territories which are now part of Poland.

    I included individuals from Western Pomerania, Southern East Prussia and Silesia listed in these projects:
    (these are links to maps - each individual is marked with a pin in a place where he was born):

    https://www.familytreedna.com/public/polish?iframe=ymap

    https://www.familytreedna.com/public...rn?iframe=ymap

    https://www.familytreedna.com/public...x?section=ymap

    https://www.familytreedna.com/public...ny?iframe=ymap

    I did not include individuals with either unknown or evidently Polish names and surnames. Here are the results (it is possible that I missed several persons) - in total I counted 87 persons (probably I missed several people, I will re-count it later):

    R1a haplogroup - 53 individuals (60,9%):

    Johann Friedrich Lietzke - born in year 1827 in Darzewo/Darsow, R-CTS3402, R-Z280
    Wilhelm Michelske, Denzin (Dębczyno), Pommern - R-L365, R-Z280
    Wilhelm August Selke, born 1849, Przystawy, Western Pomerania, R-L1029, R-M458
    Gotthilf Marcks, born 1817, Wittenfelde (Bielice), Western Pomerania, R-CTS3402, R-Z280
    Friedrich Wendt, born 1862, Dominikowo R-M512, R-M417
    Peter Hundt, born 1844 Wałcz, R-CTS3402, R-M417
    Daniel Lehmann - born 1785 Alt Lietzegoericke, R-M512, R-M458
    Christian Friedrich Tuerk, born 1690 Gorzów Wielkopolski, R-L260, R-M458
    Christian Friedrich Abraham, born 1824 Eichberg (Zatom Nowy), R-M512, R-Z280
    Schmerse, born 1500, R-M512, R-M417
    Johann Paeschke, born 1757 fr Kalzig (Kalsko) - R-M512, R-M417
    George Zaretzke, born 1734, Nowy Tomyśl, R-M512, R-M458
    Willy Wederich, born 1921, Zielona Góra R-M512, R-M417
    Johann Christoph Schulze - Kałki, R-L260, R-M458
    Nickolas Yambarske born 1830 Gdansk R-M198
    Gottlieb Baum, born 1833 Rościsławice R-Z93
    Joseph Lassota born 1820 Oleśnica R-M512, R-M417
    Schwabe born 1836, R-L1029, R-M458
    Gottfried Runge, born 1720 Rawitsch R-M512, R-M458
    Ernst Johann Karl Thiede, born 1885, Friedland (Debrzno) R-L366, R-Z280
    Theodore Brunke, born 1868, Lauenburg, R-L365, R-Z280
    Daniel Kopittke, born 1810 Zwartowo, R-L365, R-Z280
    Theophil Sabisch, born 1855 Klein Platenheim, R-M458
    Johann Michael Sommerfeld born 1750 Tujsk R-L365, R-Z280
    Schoenbach born 1849 Deutsch Crone R-Z293
    Benjamin Wedel, Malbork near Stężyca (Stendsitz) born 1796 R-CTS3402, R-Z280
    Samuel Liedtke born 1853 Kaltwangen (Kalwagi) R-L260, R-M458
    Friedrich Mattern died 1717 born Miłakowo R-CTS456 R-Z280, R-Z92
    George Glass born 1810 Babięty R1a-M417
    Martin Brandt ur. 1845 Swaroszyn, Lubiszewo Tczewskie, R-M198, R-M458
    Fedrinand Quandt born 1817 Wierzchowo R-M512
    Gottlieb Zemke born 1820 Neustettin R-M198
    Herbert Hinz born 1914 Szczecin R-M512
    Paul George Schober, born 1863, Altwasser (Wałbrzych), R-M458
    Thomas Sakry born 1783 Komprachcice R-M198, R-M458
    Johann Hannak born 1776 Falkenberg R-L260, R-M458
    Stephan Pach born 1857 Laskowice (near Nysa / Neisse) R-M458, R-L260
    Willi Kleemann born 1925 Oppeln R-P278, R-Z280
    Reinhold Salzmann born 1873 Głubczyce R-Z92, R-Z280
    Martin Maxelon born 1708 Błotnica Strzelecka R-M512, R-M417
    Johann Schembor born 1666 Lubliniec R-M512, R-M417
    Gregor Freyer born 1753 Stare Karmonki R-M198, R-M458, R-L260
    Valentine Kruszka born 1843 Srebrna Góra R-L260, R-M458
    Ludwig Ermis born 1822 Gruenwalde, R-CTS456, R1a
    Johann Piasetzki born 1860 Sensburg R1a-CTS3402
    Scheffrahn Rastenburg R1a-M417
    Franz Pallaschke born 1883 Buddern (Budry) R1a-CTS1211
    Jakob Pawellek born 1853, Szczytno, R-L365, R1a
    Martin Kiehl born 1760 Stobbendorf R-M512 R-M458
    Felyx Pruhs born 1826 Bratjan, R-M198, R-M417
    Michael Flatau born 1800 Alt Christburg (Stary Dzierzgoń), R-M512, R-M417
    Theodor Klagge, born Kołtki, R-CTS11962, R-M458
    Carl Poch, born early 1800s, Rummelsburg (Miastko), R-L365, R-Z280

    R1b haplogroup: 11 individuals (12,6%):

    Erdmann Kniephoff, born 1763, Maszewo - R-M269
    Willi Otto Robert Hermann Schmidt born 1900, Nowa Sól, R-P312
    Friedrick Wilhelm Schulz, born 1820, Żagań, R-CTS2509, R1b-U106
    Christian Nikel, born Zabrowo 1780 R-CTS10893
    Peter Johann Quiring, born 1792 Piecewo R1b-L48
    Carl Ludwig Herman Ginnow born 1827 R-M269
    Carl Gustav Meyer born 1782 Stargard Szczeciński R-M269
    Karl August Adolph Quade born 1836 R-M269 Wrocław
    Gustav Klose born 1850 Wrocław R-M269
    Johann Voelkner born 1748 Redenau (Rodnowo) R1b-M269
    Marcus Wolsleger born before 1599 Brzezie (Eickfier), R-L150, R1b-Z2103

    I1 and I2 haplogroups: 11 individuals (12,6%):

    Moses Leiser, born 1820 Dobrzany I-P37
    Bernhardt Noffz born 1830 Niemica I-M253
    Albert Martin Hermann born 1846, Treblin Pomerania, I-M253
    Gustav Schedlinski born in Seedorf (Jeziorowskie) near Lyck I-M253
    Liefhold, born Stolp I-Z138
    Wilhelm Heinrich Riewe born 1834 Drawsko Pomorskie I-M253
    Christoph Kortbein born 1730 Choszczno I-CTS9352
    Jozef G Doppke, Gniewowo, I-M253
    Johann Christoph Rosenberger born 1720 Kłodzko I-Z140, I-M253
    Michael Rimek born 1723 Szczytno (Ortelsburg), I-P37
    Carl L. Nath born 1820 Osterode I-M423

    G haplogroup: 2 individuals (2,3%):

    Moses Broda, born 1584 - Bunzlau - G-M201, G-M377
    Leib Ader born 1889 Podkamien (near Nysa / Neisse) G-M377

    T haplogroup: 2 individuals (2,3%):

    William Fleischfresser born 1846 in Gross Justin T-L208
    Michael Hohenfeld in Tolkmicko (Tolkemit) T-M70

    E haplogroup: 1 individual (1,2%):

    Christian Ahlmann, born in Braunsberg E-L117

    N haplogroup: 7 individuals (8,0%):

    Peter Zwiefka born 1855 Wrocław J-L283, J-M12
    Norbert Gabel born 1936 Breslau J-M172
    Albert Gill born 1863 Breslau J-M67, J-M172
    Yakov Gutfrajnd born 1790 Praszka J-P58, J-M267
    Wolf Zimak alias Simon Freybuschewitz died 1884 born Dąbrówno J-PF5456, J-M172
    Joannes Reihs born 1800 Bischofstein (Bisztynek) N-L1025
    Jons Maczullatis [Prussian Lithuanian] born 1745 Skaisgirren (Skajzgiry), N-L550
    Johann Groening born 1800 Krzewiny (Horsterbusch) N-L731
    Jan Łozowski ur. 1850 Giżycko N-L551, N-L550
    August Darge born 1870 Bartenstein (Bartoszyce), N-M178

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    Y-DNA haplogroup
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    MtDNA haplogroup
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    Ethnic group
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    Country: Poland



    If this sample is representative then most of Germans from Pomerania, Silesia and East Prussia were in fact Germanized Slavs and Balts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tomenable View Post
    I did not include individuals with either unknown or evidently Polish names and surnames.
    Not exactly

    100% polish names:

    Johann Friedrich Lietzke - born in year 1827 in Darzewo/Darsow, R-CTS3402, R-Z280
    Wilhelm Michelske, Denzin (Dębczyno), Pommern - R-L365, R-Z280
    Wilhelm August Selke, born 1849, Przystawy, Western Pomerania, R-L1029, R-M458
    Christian Friedrich Tuerk, born 1690 Gorzów Wielkopolski, R-L260, R-M458
    Johann Paeschke, born 1757 fr Kalzig (Kalsko) - R-M512, R-M417
    George Zaretzke, born 1734, Nowy Tomyśl, R-M512, R-M458
    Nickolas Yambarske born 1830 Gdansk R-M198
    Joseph Lassota born 1820 Oleśnica R-M512, R-M417
    Theodore Brunke, born 1868, Lauenburg, R-L365, R-Z280
    Daniel Kopittke, born 1810 Zwartowo, R-L365, R-Z280
    98, R-M458
    Johann Hannak born 1776 Falkenberg R-L260, R-M458
    Johann Schembor born 1666 Lubliniec R-M512, R-M417
    Valentine Kruszka born 1843 Srebrna Góra R-L260, R-M458
    Johann Piasetzki born 1860 Sensburg R1a-CTS3402
    Franz Pallaschke born 1883 Buddern (Budry) R1a-CTS1211
    Jakob Pawellek born 1853, Szczytno, R-L365, R1a
    Felyx Pruhs born 1826 Bratjan, R-M198, R-M417
    Gustav Schedlinski born in Seedorf (Jeziorowskie) near Lyck I-M253
    Michael Rimek born 1723 Szczytno (Ortelsburg), I-P37
    Moses Broda, born 1584 - Bunzlau - G-M201, G-M377
    Peter Zwiefka born 1855 Wrocław J-L283, J-M12
    Albert Gill born 1863 Breslau J-M67, J-M172
    Wolf Zimak alias Simon Freybuschewitz died 1884 born Dąbrówno J-PF5456, J-M172
    Jan Łozowski ur. 1850 Giżycko N-L551, N-L550

    90% polish 10% german names

    Gustav Klose born 1850 Wrocław R-M269
    Theophil Sabisch, born 1855 Klein Platenheim, R-M458
    Gottlieb Zemke born 1820 Neustettin R-M198
    Thomas Sakry born 1783 Komprachcice R-M1
    Stephan Pach born 1857 Laskowice (near Nysa / Neisse) R-M458, R-L260
    Martin Kiehl born 1760 Stobbendorf R-M512 R-M458

    50:50 polish:german

    Jozef G Doppke, Gniewowo, I-M253
    August Darge born 1870 Bartenstein (Bartoszyce), N-M178[/QUOTE]
    Gotthilf Marcks, born 1817, Wittenfelde (Bielice), Western Pomerania, R-CTS3402, R-Z280
    Friedrich Wendt, born 1862, Dominikowo R-M512, R-M417
    Christian Friedrich Abraham, born 1824 Eichberg (Zatom Nowy), R-M512, R-Z280
    Schmerse, born 1500, R-M512, R-M417
    Carl Poch, born early 1800s, Rummelsburg (Miastko), R-L365, R-Z280
    Christian Nikel, born Zabrowo 1780 R-CTS10893
    Carl Ludwig Herman Ginnow born 1827 R-M269
    Bernhardt Noffz born 1830 Niemica I-M253
    Albert Martin Hermann born 1846, Treblin Pomerania, I-M253
    Norbert Gabel born 1936 Breslau J-M172


    Quote Originally Posted by Tomenable View Post
    If this sample is representative then most of Germans from Pomerania, Silesia and East Prussia were in fact Germanized Slavs and Balts.
    Of course. This was always obvious, long before genetic studies.

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    polish names
    Well, East Germans often tend to have surnames of Slavic or Baltic origin.

    And if you take all Germans, then around 15% have surnames of Slavic origin.

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    I added some new entries and corrected some mistakes - but I opened a new thread about this:

    "Y-DNA of Germans from Silesia, Pomerania, Pomerelia and Prussia":

    http://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads...ia-and-Prussia

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    From FTDNA Italy:

    Out of 27 R1a haplogroups:

    Six are R-M512 (Slavic)
    Four are R-Z283 (Germanic-Balto-Slavic)
    Two are R-Z93 (Sarmatian)
    One is L1029 (Slavic)
    One is CTS1211 (Balto-Slavic)
    One is CTS3402 (Balto-Slavic)
    One is SRY10831 (Slavic)
    One is YP617 (Slavic)

    The rest a random R1a subclades. They still to be properly tested.

    https://www.familytreedna.com/public/Italy?iframe=yresults

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sigfrido View Post
    From FTDNA Italy:

    Out of 27 R1a haplogroups:

    Six are R-M512 (Slavic)
    Four are R-Z283 (Germanic-Balto-Slavic)
    Two are R-Z93 (Sarmatian)
    One is L1029 (Slavic)
    One is CTS1211 (Balto-Slavic)
    One is CTS3402 (Balto-Slavic)
    One is SRY10831 (Slavic)
    One is YP617 (Slavic)

    The rest a random R1a subclades. They still to be properly tested.

    https://www.familytreedna.com/public/Italy?iframe=yresults

    That confirms my hypothesis that most R1a in Italy came with the Goths (i.e. Slavs assimilated by the Goths in eastern Europe).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maciamo View Post
    That confirms my hypothesis that most R1a in Italy came with the Goths (i.e. Slavs assimilated by the Goths in eastern Europe).
    Most of those R1a has not been tested yet....

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    Thank you for posting this. My father has a German heritage but I have yet to do a full YDNA test on him as the tests are expensive.

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