Map of Germanic paternal lineages

Expredel said:
Early anthropologists classified both England and Latvia as 60% Germanic.

Your map does not show "Germanic" but "Nordic race", which are two completely different things.

The fact that the map shows areas with no Germanic population as inhabited by "Nordic race" should already tell you this.

"Nordic race" corresponds much better to Yamnaya autosomal admixture than to Germanic populations.
 
"Nordic race" corresponds much better to Yamnaya autosomal admixture than to Germanic populations.

"The original Indo-European facial type - East Nordid":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REZlM021s_8


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BTW:

Modern populations most similar in autosomal DNA to prehistoric Pre-Germanic Scandinavians are 1) Poles and 2) Swedes:

http://eurogenes.blogspot.de/2012/04/prehistoric-scandinavians-genetically.html?m=1

Allele sharing with prehistoric hunters of Sweden (most shared DNA with them have modern Poles, 2nd come modern Swedes):

But why is it that Poles show higher similarity to these Neolithic Scandinavians than Swedes do? Firstly, it's important to realize that the differences aren't that great. Note, for instance, that Swedes are the second most similar population to the hunter-gatherers after Poles.

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Bronze Age warrior found in context of post-Corded Ware local Strzyżów culture...dark haired, dark eyed, and with "darker" complexion.

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'I'm not sicilian' (for informations this thread is the beginning of the reputation ruin and humilation for southern Italians in the world of anthroforums, sadly) Damn t.roll.

 
He/she stole milions of photos from facebook. Without him we would have destroyed all the stereotypes...
 
I checked Y-DNA haplogroups of Germans from former German territories which are now part of Poland.

I included individuals from Western Pomerania, Southern East Prussia and Silesia listed in these projects:
(these are links to maps - each individual is marked with a pin in a place where he was born):

https://www.familytreedna.com/public/polish?iframe=ymap

https://www.familytreedna.com/public/pommern?iframe=ymap

https://www.familytreedna.com/public/ostpre...px?section=ymap

https://www.familytreedna.com/public/Posenz...any?iframe=ymap

I did not include individuals with either unknown or evidently Polish names and surnames. Here are the results (it is possible that I missed several persons) - in total I counted 87 persons (probably I missed several people, I will re-count it later):

R1a haplogroup - 53 individuals (60,9%):

Johann Friedrich Lietzke - born in year 1827 in Darzewo/Darsow, R-CTS3402, R-Z280
Wilhelm Michelske, Denzin (Dębczyno), Pommern - R-L365, R-Z280
Wilhelm August Selke, born 1849, Przystawy, Western Pomerania, R-L1029, R-M458
Gotthilf Marcks, born 1817, Wittenfelde (Bielice), Western Pomerania, R-CTS3402, R-Z280
Friedrich Wendt, born 1862, Dominikowo R-M512, R-M417
Peter Hundt, born 1844 Wałcz, R-CTS3402, R-M417
Daniel Lehmann - born 1785 Alt Lietzegoericke, R-M512, R-M458
Christian Friedrich Tuerk, born 1690 Gorzów Wielkopolski, R-L260, R-M458
Christian Friedrich Abraham, born 1824 Eichberg (Zatom Nowy), R-M512, R-Z280
Schmerse, born 1500, R-M512, R-M417
Johann Paeschke, born 1757 fr Kalzig (Kalsko) - R-M512, R-M417
George Zaretzke, born 1734, Nowy Tomyśl, R-M512, R-M458
Willy Wederich, born 1921, Zielona Góra R-M512, R-M417
Johann Christoph Schulze - Kałki, R-L260, R-M458
Nickolas Yambarske born 1830 Gdansk R-M198
Gottlieb Baum, born 1833 Rościsławice R-Z93
Joseph Lassota born 1820 Oleśnica R-M512, R-M417
Schwabe born 1836, R-L1029, R-M458
Gottfried Runge, born 1720 Rawitsch R-M512, R-M458
Ernst Johann Karl Thiede, born 1885, Friedland (Debrzno) R-L366, R-Z280
Theodore Brunke, born 1868, Lauenburg, R-L365, R-Z280
Daniel Kopittke, born 1810 Zwartowo, R-L365, R-Z280
Theophil Sabisch, born 1855 Klein Platenheim, R-M458
Johann Michael Sommerfeld born 1750 Tujsk R-L365, R-Z280
Schoenbach born 1849 Deutsch Crone R-Z293
Benjamin Wedel, Malbork near Stężyca (Stendsitz) born 1796 R-CTS3402, R-Z280
Samuel Liedtke born 1853 Kaltwangen (Kalwagi) R-L260, R-M458
Friedrich Mattern died 1717 born Miłakowo R-CTS456 R-Z280, R-Z92
George Glass born 1810 Babięty R1a-M417
Martin Brandt ur. 1845 Swaroszyn, Lubiszewo Tczewskie, R-M198, R-M458
Fedrinand Quandt born 1817 Wierzchowo R-M512
Gottlieb Zemke born 1820 Neustettin R-M198
Herbert Hinz born 1914 Szczecin R-M512
Paul George Schober, born 1863, Altwasser (Wałbrzych), R-M458
Thomas Sakry born 1783 Komprachcice R-M198, R-M458
Johann Hannak born 1776 Falkenberg R-L260, R-M458
Stephan Pach born 1857 Laskowice (near Nysa / Neisse) R-M458, R-L260
Willi Kleemann born 1925 Oppeln R-P278, R-Z280
Reinhold Salzmann born 1873 Głubczyce R-Z92, R-Z280
Martin Maxelon born 1708 Błotnica Strzelecka R-M512, R-M417
Johann Schembor born 1666 Lubliniec R-M512, R-M417
Gregor Freyer born 1753 Stare Karmonki R-M198, R-M458, R-L260
Valentine Kruszka born 1843 Srebrna Góra R-L260, R-M458
Ludwig Ermis born 1822 Gruenwalde, R-CTS456, R1a
Johann Piasetzki born 1860 Sensburg R1a-CTS3402
Scheffrahn Rastenburg R1a-M417
Franz Pallaschke born 1883 Buddern (Budry) R1a-CTS1211
Jakob Pawellek born 1853, Szczytno, R-L365, R1a
Martin Kiehl born 1760 Stobbendorf R-M512 R-M458
Felyx Pruhs born 1826 Bratjan, R-M198, R-M417
Michael Flatau born 1800 Alt Christburg (Stary Dzierzgoń), R-M512, R-M417
Theodor Klagge, born Kołtki, R-CTS11962, R-M458
Carl Poch, born early 1800s, Rummelsburg (Miastko), R-L365, R-Z280

R1b haplogroup: 11 individuals (12,6%):

Erdmann Kniephoff, born 1763, Maszewo - R-M269
Willi Otto Robert Hermann Schmidt born 1900, Nowa Sól, R-P312
Friedrick Wilhelm Schulz, born 1820, Żagań, R-CTS2509, R1b-U106
Christian Nikel, born Zabrowo 1780 R-CTS10893
Peter Johann Quiring, born 1792 Piecewo R1b-L48
Carl Ludwig Herman Ginnow born 1827 R-M269
Carl Gustav Meyer born 1782 Stargard Szczeciński R-M269
Karl August Adolph Quade born 1836 R-M269 Wrocław
Gustav Klose born 1850 Wrocław R-M269
Johann Voelkner born 1748 Redenau (Rodnowo) R1b-M269
Marcus Wolsleger born before 1599 Brzezie (Eickfier), R-L150, R1b-Z2103

I1 and I2 haplogroups: 11 individuals (12,6%):

Moses Leiser, born 1820 Dobrzany I-P37
Bernhardt Noffz born 1830 Niemica I-M253
Albert Martin Hermann born 1846, Treblin Pomerania, I-M253
Gustav Schedlinski born in Seedorf (Jeziorowskie) near Lyck I-M253
Liefhold, born Stolp I-Z138
Wilhelm Heinrich Riewe born 1834 Drawsko Pomorskie I-M253
Christoph Kortbein born 1730 Choszczno I-CTS9352
Jozef G Doppke, Gniewowo, I-M253
Johann Christoph Rosenberger born 1720 Kłodzko I-Z140, I-M253
Michael Rimek born 1723 Szczytno (Ortelsburg), I-P37
Carl L. Nath born 1820 Osterode I-M423

G haplogroup: 2 individuals (2,3%):

Moses Broda, born 1584 - Bunzlau - G-M201, G-M377
Leib Ader born 1889 Podkamien (near Nysa / Neisse) G-M377

T haplogroup: 2 individuals (2,3%):

William Fleischfresser born 1846 in Gross Justin T-L208
Michael Hohenfeld in Tolkmicko (Tolkemit) T-M70

E haplogroup: 1 individual (1,2%):

Christian Ahlmann, born in Braunsberg E-L117

N haplogroup: 7 individuals (8,0%):

Peter Zwiefka born 1855 Wrocław J-L283, J-M12
Norbert Gabel born 1936 Breslau J-M172
Albert Gill born 1863 Breslau J-M67, J-M172
Yakov Gutfrajnd born 1790 Praszka J-P58, J-M267
Wolf Zimak alias Simon Freybuschewitz died 1884 born Dąbrówno J-PF5456, J-M172
Joannes Reihs born 1800 Bischofstein (Bisztynek) N-L1025
Jons Maczullatis [Prussian Lithuanian] born 1745 Skaisgirren (Skajzgiry), N-L550
Johann Groening born 1800 Krzewiny (Horsterbusch) N-L731
Jan Łozowski ur. 1850 Giżycko N-L551, N-L550
August Darge born 1870 Bartenstein (Bartoszyce), N-M178
 
If this sample is representative then most of Germans from Pomerania, Silesia and East Prussia were in fact Germanized Slavs and Balts.
 
I did not include individuals with either unknown or evidently Polish names and surnames.

Not exactly
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100% polish names:

Johann Friedrich Lietzke - born in year 1827 in Darzewo/Darsow, R-CTS3402, R-Z280
Wilhelm Michelske, Denzin (Dębczyno), Pommern - R-L365, R-Z280
Wilhelm August Selke, born 1849, Przystawy, Western Pomerania, R-L1029, R-M458
Christian Friedrich Tuerk, born 1690 Gorzów Wielkopolski, R-L260, R-M458
Johann Paeschke, born 1757 fr Kalzig (Kalsko) - R-M512, R-M417
George Zaretzke, born 1734, Nowy Tomyśl, R-M512, R-M458
Nickolas Yambarske born 1830 Gdansk R-M198
Joseph Lassota born 1820 Oleśnica R-M512, R-M417
Theodore Brunke, born 1868, Lauenburg, R-L365, R-Z280
Daniel Kopittke, born 1810 Zwartowo, R-L365, R-Z280
98, R-M458
Johann Hannak born 1776 Falkenberg R-L260, R-M458
Johann Schembor born 1666 Lubliniec R-M512, R-M417
Valentine Kruszka born 1843 Srebrna Góra R-L260, R-M458
Johann Piasetzki born 1860 Sensburg R1a-CTS3402
Franz Pallaschke born 1883 Buddern (Budry) R1a-CTS1211
Jakob Pawellek born 1853, Szczytno, R-L365, R1a
Felyx Pruhs born 1826 Bratjan, R-M198, R-M417
Gustav Schedlinski born in Seedorf (Jeziorowskie) near Lyck I-M253
Michael Rimek born 1723 Szczytno (Ortelsburg), I-P37
Moses Broda, born 1584 - Bunzlau - G-M201, G-M377
Peter Zwiefka born 1855 Wrocław J-L283, J-M12
Albert Gill born 1863 Breslau J-M67, J-M172
Wolf Zimak alias Simon Freybuschewitz died 1884 born Dąbrówno J-PF5456, J-M172
Jan Łozowski ur. 1850 Giżycko N-L551, N-L550

90% polish 10% german names

Gustav Klose born 1850 Wrocław R-M269
Theophil Sabisch, born 1855 Klein Platenheim, R-M458
Gottlieb Zemke born 1820 Neustettin R-M198
Thomas Sakry born 1783 Komprachcice R-M1
Stephan Pach born 1857 Laskowice (near Nysa / Neisse) R-M458, R-L260
Martin Kiehl born 1760 Stobbendorf R-M512 R-M458

50:50 polish:german

Jozef G Doppke, Gniewowo, I-M253
August Darge born 1870 Bartenstein (Bartoszyce), N-M178[/QUOTE]
Gotthilf Marcks, born 1817, Wittenfelde (Bielice), Western Pomerania, R-CTS3402, R-Z280
Friedrich Wendt, born 1862, Dominikowo R-M512, R-M417
Christian Friedrich Abraham, born 1824 Eichberg (Zatom Nowy), R-M512, R-Z280
Schmerse, born 1500, R-M512, R-M417
Carl Poch, born early 1800s, Rummelsburg (Miastko), R-L365, R-Z280
Christian Nikel, born Zabrowo 1780 R-CTS10893
Carl Ludwig Herman Ginnow born 1827 R-M269
Bernhardt Noffz born 1830 Niemica I-M253
Albert Martin Hermann born 1846, Treblin Pomerania, I-M253
Norbert Gabel born 1936 Breslau J-M172


If this sample is representative then most of Germans from Pomerania, Silesia and East Prussia were in fact Germanized Slavs and Balts.

Of course. This was always obvious, long before genetic studies.:rolleyes:
 
polish names

Well, East Germans often tend to have surnames of Slavic or Baltic origin.

And if you take all Germans, then around 15% have surnames of Slavic origin.
 
From FTDNA Italy:

Out of 27 R1a haplogroups:

Six are R-M512 (Slavic)
Four are R-Z283 (Germanic-Balto-Slavic)
Two are R-Z93 (Sarmatian)
One is L1029 (Slavic)
One is CTS1211 (Balto-Slavic)
One is CTS3402 (Balto-Slavic)
One is SRY10831 (Slavic)
One is YP617 (Slavic)

The rest a random R1a subclades. They still to be properly tested.

https://www.familytreedna.com/public/Italy?iframe=yresults
 
From FTDNA Italy:

Out of 27 R1a haplogroups:

Six are R-M512 (Slavic)
Four are R-Z283 (Germanic-Balto-Slavic)
Two are R-Z93 (Sarmatian)
One is L1029 (Slavic)
One is CTS1211 (Balto-Slavic)
One is CTS3402 (Balto-Slavic)
One is SRY10831 (Slavic)
One is YP617 (Slavic)

The rest a random R1a subclades. They still to be properly tested.

https://www.familytreedna.com/public/Italy?iframe=yresults


That confirms my hypothesis that most R1a in Italy came with the Goths (i.e. Slavs assimilated by the Goths in eastern Europe).
 
Thank you for posting this. My father has a German heritage but I have yet to do a full YDNA test on him as the tests are expensive.
 

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