E1b1b1 / E3b / E-M35 / E-V13 in the UK

[Johane Derite]

I tested E-V13 with 23&Me so I was directed to Family Tree DNA and did the Y-67 which stated I was E-M35. I can trace my Ancestors to 1410 England and stop there. I signed up for a couple of groups on FTDNA. I understand the general theory is my immediate Ancestors would then b descendants of the Roman Army, specifically Thracian's out of he Balkan's almost 2,000 years ago?

If you did Ftdna Y-67 you should know more than E-M35, of which EV13 is a clade of. You need to check which clade of EV13 before saying whether it would have been illyrian or whatever, etc.

[bigsnake49]

If you did Ftdna Y-67 you should know more than E-M35, of which EV13 is a clade of. You need to check which clade of EV13 before saying whether it would have been illyrian or whatever, etc.

Or he is a basal EV-13.

[Hairarmy]

I am new here and to the FT Y-67 test. I am not sure how to read it byt am told by an administrator that the V13 is a subclad of M35. I know the Surname is Goode and goes back to 1410 Southern England to a Sir William Goode in Whitby. I have read thru this thread and it makes sense that my line would have came to be with the Roman Army. what am I looking for???

[Johane Derite]

I am new here and to the FT Y-67 test. I am not sure how to read it byt am told by an administrator that the V13 is a subclad of M35. I know the Surname is Goode and goes back to 1410 Southern England to a Sir William Goode in Whitby. I have read thru this thread and it makes sense that my line would have came to be with the Roman Army. what am I looking for???

In the EM35 project you are there under EV13 - Ungrouped. This means you share the same paternal ancestor with anybody else that is EV13 within the last ~4800 years but that they haven't been able to determine your sublcade as of yet.

There is the option of doing a Big Y test to find deeper resolution so that you can figure out with more precision what your clade is.

If its an older clade of EV13 it might not be Roman related but rather celtic. If it dates to Roman times then its probably with Romans.

https://www.familytreedna.com/public...frame=yresults

[Hairarmy]

Thank you for your time and assistance I have tested on 3 sites and all are slightly different results but consistent with West Central Europe and British Isle and the Celtic connection is heavy as alot of my Ancesters can from there Scotland, Ireland, England, Germany, Netherlands to Switzerland on one leg. I did the GEDMatch and it pointed to the Balkans to the Middle East. the information is a bit much

[Johane Derite]

Thank you for your time and assistance I have tested on 3 sites and all are slightly different results but consistent with West Central Europe and British Isle and the Celtic connection is heavy as alot of my Ancesters can from there Scotland, Ireland, England, Germany, Netherlands to Switzerland on one leg. I did the GEDMatch and it pointed to the Balkans to the Middle East. the information is a bit much

Its unlikely Gedmatch can pick up on something like that after 2000 years.

If you wish to know whether your EV13 is pre-roman celtic lineage or Illyrian/or Thracian roman lineage, you should contact the Ftdna adminstrator and ask which upgrade you would need on your Y-test. Then you would know within a more recent time frame who you share ancestor with. Best of luck.

[mathewsalinas]

ahahah interesting however

[mathewsalinas]

I have EV13

[digital_noise]

If anyone is E-V13, please consider a Big Y from the start. I did things the hard/expensive way by doing a Y-111, then an E-V13 pack, then Big -Y 500 then finally the Y700 upgrade.

I know it is expensive, maybe wait for a sale or something. I would personally like to see more E-V13's tested. :)

[mongrel]

I'm E-V13, am English born, can trace my male line back to a marriage in 1673 (but no prior birth record), ancestors have always lived in Derbyshire, and we have an Anglo Saxon/Scandinavian surname (Jepson/Jepsen).

My autosomal spread (courtesy LivingDNA) is as follows
Europe 100%:
Great Britain and Ireland 82.6%
Europe (North and West) 12.1%
Europe (South) 5.3%

...so to my mind, my ancestors migrated here from Germany/Denmark rather than Macedonia or Thrace making me likely a Celt (not quite far enough north to be a Brigantes) rather than a Roman Legionnaire - different sides of the war!

However, I do wonder if there is a possibility my x-grandfather arrived here in the relatively more recent past considering how the records lose all references to my surname, ok, that maybe due to lack of/destroyed records during the 1642-1651 Civil War but anybody now of any foreign fighters in the English Civil War for example.

[digital_noise]

I'm E-V13, am English born, can trace my male line back to a marriage in 1673 (but no prior birth record), ancestors have always lived in Derbyshire, and we have an Anglo Saxon/Scandinavian surname (Jepson/Jepsen).

My autosomal spread (courtesy LivingDNA) is as follows
Europe 100%:
Great Britain and Ireland 82.6%
Europe (North and West) 12.1%
Europe (South) 5.3%

...so to my mind, my ancestors migrated here from Germany/Denmark rather than Macedonia or Thrace making me likely a Celt (not quite far enough north to be a Brigantes) rather than a Roman Legionnaire - different sides of the war!

However, I do wonder if there is a possibility my x-grandfather arrived here in the relatively more recent past considering how the records lose all references to my surname, ok, that maybe due to lack of/destroyed records during the 1642-1651 Civil War but anybody now of any foreign fighters in the English Civil War for example.

E-V13 formed about 8000 years ago, and TMRCA is about 4800 years ago so this is well before Germany or Denmark existed. its likely that your ancestor came through that area en-route to where you are now but its been pretty well established that the haplogroup is most likely from the Balkan area

[Tutkun Arnaut]

I'm E-V13, am English born, can trace my male line back to a marriage in 1673 (but no prior birth record), ancestors have always lived in Derbyshire, and we have an Anglo Saxon/Scandinavian surname (Jepson/Jepsen).

My autosomal spread (courtesy LivingDNA) is as follows
Europe 100%:
Great Britain and Ireland 82.6%
Europe (North and West) 12.1%
Europe (South) 5.3%

...so to my mind, my ancestors migrated here from Germany/Denmark rather than Macedonia or Thrace making me likely a Celt (not quite far enough north to be a Brigantes) rather than a Roman Legionnaire - different sides of the war!

However, I do wonder if there is a possibility my x-grandfather arrived here in the relatively more recent past considering how the records lose all references to my surname, ok, that maybe due to lack of/destroyed records during the 1642-1651 Civil War but anybody now of any foreign fighters in the English Civil War for example.

Hi English MONGREL! If really interested where your ancestors might have originated you have to do get a more expanded clade analysis, not just E v13. (of course for some extra money)! Let say in my case after deep clade result I found out that members of my clade were in Düsseldorf Germany, Denmark, and even some in England. And out of 1000 strong Albanian sample only one was in Albania . So the conclusion was that my distant origin was from North, who knows in what circumstances they ended up in Balkans. If you do the same thing there is extensive deep clade data on line about EV13 to pinpoint your possible origin

[Jhmurphy2001]

Interesting as I assume we have the same last name (most common in Ireland) and I come out as e-v13 per 23andme. Family traces back to Kildare in 1820.

[Jhmurphy2001]

Hello all,

I am a newbie here. My fathers family is from Donegal, Ireland, and I believe we are V-13. Our surname is considered the most common Irish name in Ireland. Most of my Irish friends are R1b, so it was interesting we came up with this Haplogroup or Haplotype.

My post above was in response to this one.

[TimC]

I'm trying to trace my wife's Smith ancestors. The earliest is Lewis Morrison Smith b. 1810 Missouri. From a descendant who took the FTDNA yDNA test, the haplotype is E-M35. The results are posted in the Smith DNA Project but there are no matches in spite of numerous E-35 individuals. I don't see your family so I'm hoping that you haven't submitted results to that project.
The markers are: 13 25 13 11 16-18 11 12 12 14 10 32 15 9-9 11 11 26 14 20 33 16-16-17-17 9 10 19-21 16 12 17 18 31-32 11 10
Are you a match? Here's hoping you are
Tim

[Hairarmy]

I have recently discovered I am E-M35/E-V13. My great grandfather was Illegitimate ad his Biological family name is actually Goode. I have been able to rack I back to Southern England 1200. I am curious about the origins of E-V13 for. Of Course Goode is most likely an Anglicized name and who knows if I can trace that back further, especially since I am American.

[Hairarmy]

Try getting in the E-M35 group there are bout 7k people in there.

[Hairarmy]

[QUOTE=TimC;587257]I'm trying to trace my wife's Smith ancestors. The earliest is Lewis Morrison Smith b. 1810 Missouri. From a descendant who took the FTDNA yDNA test, the haplotype is E

Try joining Group E-M35 there are 7 people I that group, may have better luck finding matches

[Hairarmy]

If you did Ftdna Y-67 you should know more than E-M35, of which EV13 is a clade of. You need to check which clade of EV13 before saying whether it would have been illyrian or whatever, etc.

I did the Big Y700 and am confirmed E-V13, CTS5856,BY3880,Z5018,S2979, BY6125 Terminal SNP in Southern England. My understanding is S2979 is considered modern Kosovo. I really don't have an Idea of how that translates to Illyrian, Thracian or any other Cultures 2000-4800 years ago. But it is interesting to note the timing seems to support the theory of Roman Movement into England