E1b1b1 / E3b / E-M35 / E-V13 in the UK

Perhaps you can answer my question. FTDNA recommends that I test for two SNPs - Y2491 and L117. Does that seem to be appropriate?

I find the FTDNA website very clumsy to navigate at this stage.


In my opinion, FTDNA works best with STR tests, which you did, and BigY, which helps with both STR and SNP, especially after you upload it to YFull. I'd say if you want to stick with FTDNA, wait for their discount period and order a BigY test.

If you want to do SNP tests, I would recommend YSEQ. If you want to be sure of being E1b-V13, you could do a $18 test such as this one: https://www.yseq.net/product_info.php?products_id=4418, and if that comes out positive, you can try the E1b-V13 panel which tests for all SNPs listed here: https://www.yseq.net/product_info.php?cPath=27&products_id=2486.

But again, try to talk to an E haplogroup project admin as they are more knowledgeable on this.
 
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Hello all,

I am a newbie here. My fathers family is from Donegal, Ireland, and I believe we are V-13. Our surname is considered the most common Irish name in Ireland. Most of my Irish friends are R1b, so it was interesting we came up with this Haplogroup or Haplotype.
 
[FONT=q_serif]All of Haplogroup E is Black different types of Black but still Black non-theless. If a white person or a Arab person carriers any Branch of Haplogroup E it just means that they have a African male ancestor, it doesn't mean that branch turned non-black unless it's a first generation Albino is the only exception. Eurocentrist like to make the basseless claim that E-M215 is a white haplogroup because they claim they found some whites and Arabs who belong to Branches of E-M215 even though the majority of E-M215+ branches are found among most So-called horn Africans and North Africans but these people are not white. We may have long noses and long faces still doesn't make us white or So-Called caucasian= an all enclusive version of white. If you look up the haplogroup E1b1a project at ftdna you will find many non-Black people belong to the many Branches of E1b1a. E1b1a is considered a So-called sub-saharan Haplogroup by racist eurocentrist even though it's found in Europe and West Asia just like it's little brother E1b1b. According to Eurocentrist E1b1b is found in 25% in Europe mostly in South Europe across the Great sea from Africa. They say E-V13 is the highest branch of E in Europe and it's mostly found in Albania then the Balkans. What that means is Albanians that belong to E-V13 are descendents of African males and Sub-Alpine european women. Just like other so-called Non-Blacks that belong to any Branch of Haplogroup E are decedants of African males.[/FONT]
[FONT=q_serif]To go even further Y DNA Haplogroups A and B are also clearly African in origin but some white Europeans and Orange Arabs carry Different Branches of Haplogroup A and B. Haplogroup A is Most commonly found Among Khoisan people of Southern Africa followed by Ethiopian Jews and So-Called Nilotic people in Sudan, Egypt, Chad, Kenya, Ethiopia and Tanzania also in Cameroon. It is found in low frequencies in Europe but in europe it is mostly found in British men carrying the surname Revis. There are many theories of how these British men carry haplogroup A the most common theory among racist is that these men are descendents of African slaves, However, the mostly likely cause is that they got it from the African Moors who migrated from Spain to the uk, these Moors married and had kids with the white British women, then there mixed Orange/Yellow Kids grew up and eventually when most of the Moors left the uk some stayed and continued to marry and have kids with indigenous white men and women and these mixed orange/yellow kids descendants started to turn white again over time, still keeping the Y DNA African Chromasomes.[/FONT]
[FONT=q_serif]According to poplular belief the Moors belong to Y DNA haplogroup E1b1b only. But new non-biased science proves that E1b1b is only one of major Haplogroups found among ancient Moors DNA. According to Dr. Goldburg and his team at Albert Einstein Collage Tel Aviv, the most common Haplogroups of the Moors by percentage is: E1b1b 24%, E1b1a 20% , E1a1 16% DE 8% , A 4%, B1b1a 3%, E2b1b1 10%, J1 15%.[/FONT]
 
There are studies that have shown that there have been multiple migrations of E in Europe, the oldest of which was detected 4000 years ago, with the megalithic culture of the Atlantic. Then at the time of the Carthaginians there were exchanges of populations between the Iberian Peninsulas, Sardinia and North Africa, they recruited men to fight and to cultivate land. The Romans contributed enormously to the dispersal of haplogroup E throughout their empire, as mercenaries, traders or farmers. We neglect the Byzantines who also included in their Empire North Africa, then there was 800 years of Berber presence in the Iberian Peninsula which allowed exchanges with all the countries of Western Europe. The representations of the Berbers at all times of history show that they were white, they belong to the Mediterranean world, this people has always lived concentrated on the Mediterranean coast.
 
Congrats on your results! (I know its late lol)

I think you're most likely descended Roman-Berber troops stationed there.
 
I've got a cousin with whom I share a MRCA about 3200 ybp. His family lived in England and Ireland by the name of Sinnott, a noble family that arrived with the Norman conquerors in the 11th century. This is an example of a late entry of E-V13 on the British Isles, so they aren’t directly a descendant of Roman soldiers. Let's exclude that Sir Sinnott belonged to the aggressive Scandinavian elite and assume that he belonged to the French nobles. He might have had an ancestor who was a Roman soldier, since Greater Paris stayed Roman for a long time, but the Romans had been defeated earlier by the Francs under King Clovis. So the Sinnotts may have been Francs and have come from Northern France and Belgium. This also was under Roman rule? Yes, but they also resisted and revolted all the time (Caesar: Belgiums are the bravest of all) and the territory was soon occupied by allied Francs (but non-Romans) who came from the Northern side off the Rhine. This is where my family lived by the end of the Middle Ages as farmers that were feudally related to the whole bunch of local aristocracy that had strongholds on the eastside of the Rhine traditionally held by Teutonic Roman-eaters. I consider myself a cultivated man and would welcome a Roman, or even better Greek ancestor, but it just doesn’t feel like that. Actually, I don’t know any fancy genealogy of European gentry that relates itself to Romans unless they lived at least a three days’ travel away from the Rhine. Nonetheless, both Sinnott and I share a cousin in Tuscany with the same MRCA about 3200 ybp. So are we Romans after all, or is the Italian a captured Germanic or do the Irishman, Italian and Dutchman share a common Celtic ancestor that lived in the Hercynian Forest? Please advise.
 
I've got a cousin with whom I share a MRCA about 3200 ybp. His family lived in England and Ireland by the name of Sinnott, a noble family that arrived with the Norman conquerors in the 11th century. This is an example of a late entry of E-V13 on the British Isles, so they aren’t directly a descendant of Roman soldiers. Let's exclude that Sir Sinnott belonged to the aggressive Scandinavian elite and assume that he belonged to the French nobles. He might have had an ancestor who was a Roman soldier, since Greater Paris stayed Roman for a long time, but the Romans had been defeated earlier by the Francs under King Clovis. So the Sinnotts may have been Francs and have come from Northern France and Belgium. This also was under Roman rule? Yes, but they also resisted and revolted all the time (Caesar: Belgiums are the bravest of all) and the territory was soon occupied by allied Francs (but non-Romans) who came from the Northern side off the Rhine. This is where my family lived by the end of the Middle Ages as farmers that were feudally related to the whole bunch of local aristocracy that had strongholds on the eastside of the Rhine traditionally held by Teutonic Roman-eaters. I consider myself a cultivated man and would welcome a Roman, or even better Greek ancestor, but it just doesn’t feel like that. Actually, I don’t know any fancy genealogy of European gentry that relates itself to Romans unless they lived at least a three days’ travel away from the Rhine. Nonetheless, both Sinnott and I share a cousin in Tuscany with the same MRCA about 3200 ybp. So are we Romans after all, or is the Italian a captured Germanic or do the Irishman, Italian and Dutchman share a common Celtic ancestor that lived in the Hercynian Forest? Please advise.

It's even more complicated than that. They are finding E-V13 in Visigothic settlements in Spain. E-V13 was probably all over the Balkans and the Carpathian mountains, and perhaps even in West Ukraine in the Bronze Age. It was probably picked up by the groups moving through. So, it may have spread via a Central European route as well as the southern route, probably with Greek colonization.

The only way it will possibly be disentangled is with very precise categorization into subclades, as is starting to be done with G2a.
 
I'm sure our E-V13 specialists are trying to sort out the lines. Is there something we could learn from the approach as is starting to be done with G2a?
 
I'm sure our E-V13 specialists are trying to sort out the lines. Is there something we could learn from the approach as is starting to be done with G2a?

Well, in Italy, for example, they began with dating the specific clades and looking at the geographic distribution. (Boattini group)

There was a "northern" type that seemed to have come from Central Europe, and a "southern" type that appeared to have come from Greece (Crete as well) and/or Anatolia. That doesn't mean that E-V13 is not a Neolithic derived lineage, as Bicicleur explains in the Iberia thread. We can find the immediate precursors in Neolithic Croatia and Spain, associated with the Cardial culture complex. G2a is also Neolithic in Europe.

What seems to have happened is that in Central Europe they were perhaps picked up by Beaker like people and then filtered into various more modern "ethnic" groupings.
 
I tested E-V13 with 23&Me so I was directed to Family Tree DNA and did the Y-67 which stated I was E-M35. I can trace my Ancestors to 1410 England and stop there. I signed up for a couple of groups on FTDNA. I understand the general theory is my immediate Ancestors would then b descendants of the Roman Army, specifically Thracian's out of he Balkan's almost 2,000 years ago?
 
I tested E-V13 with 23&Me so I was directed to Family Tree DNA and did the Y-67 which stated I was E-M35. I can trace my Ancestors to 1410 England and stop there. I signed up for a couple of groups on FTDNA. I understand the general theory is my immediate Ancestors would then b descendants of the Roman Army, specifically Thracian's out of he Balkan's almost 2,000 years ago?

If you did Ftdna Y-67 you should know more than E-M35, of which EV13 is a clade of. You need to check which clade of EV13 before saying whether it would have been illyrian or whatever, etc.
 
If you did Ftdna Y-67 you should know more than E-M35, of which EV13 is a clade of. You need to check which clade of EV13 before saying whether it would have been illyrian or whatever, etc.
Or he is a basal EV-13.
 
I am new here and to the FT Y-67 test. I am not sure how to read it byt am told by an administrator that the V13 is a subclad of M35. I know the Surname is Goode and goes back to 1410 Southern England to a Sir William Goode in Whitby. I have read thru this thread and it makes sense that my line would have came to be with the Roman Army. what am I looking for???
 
I am new here and to the FT Y-67 test. I am not sure how to read it byt am told by an administrator that the V13 is a subclad of M35. I know the Surname is Goode and goes back to 1410 Southern England to a Sir William Goode in Whitby. I have read thru this thread and it makes sense that my line would have came to be with the Roman Army. what am I looking for???

In the EM35 project you are there under EV13 - Ungrouped. This means you share the same paternal ancestor with anybody else that is EV13 within the last ~4800 years but that they haven't been able to determine your sublcade as of yet.

There is the option of doing a Big Y test to find deeper resolution so that you can figure out with more precision what your clade is.

If its an older clade of EV13 it might not be Roman related but rather celtic. If it dates to Roman times then its probably with Romans.

https://www.familytreedna.com/public/E1b-E3b-E-M35-In-Scotland?iframe=yresults
 
Thank you for your time and assistance I have tested on 3 sites and all are slightly different results but consistent with West Central Europe and British Isle and the Celtic connection is heavy as alot of my Ancesters can from there Scotland, Ireland, England, Germany, Netherlands to Switzerland on one leg. I did the GEDMatch and it pointed to the Balkans to the Middle East. the information is a bit much
 
Thank you for your time and assistance I have tested on 3 sites and all are slightly different results but consistent with West Central Europe and British Isle and the Celtic connection is heavy as alot of my Ancesters can from there Scotland, Ireland, England, Germany, Netherlands to Switzerland on one leg. I did the GEDMatch and it pointed to the Balkans to the Middle East. the information is a bit much


Its unlikely Gedmatch can pick up on something like that after 2000 years.

If you wish to know whether your EV13 is pre-roman celtic lineage or Illyrian/or Thracian roman lineage, you should contact the Ftdna adminstrator and ask which upgrade you would need on your Y-test. Then you would know within a more recent time frame who you share ancestor with. Best of luck.
 
If anyone is E-V13, please consider a Big Y from the start. I did things the hard/expensive way by doing a Y-111, then an E-V13 pack, then Big -Y 500 then finally the Y700 upgrade.

I know it is expensive, maybe wait for a sale or something. I would personally like to see more E-V13's tested. :)
 
I'm E-V13, am English born, can trace my male line back to a marriage in 1673 (but no prior birth record), ancestors have always lived in Derbyshire, and we have an Anglo Saxon/Scandinavian surname (Jepson/Jepsen).

My autosomal spread (courtesy LivingDNA) is as follows
Europe 100%:
Great Britain and Ireland 82.6%
Europe (North and West) 12.1%
Europe (South) 5.3%

...so to my mind, my ancestors migrated here from Germany/Denmark rather than Macedonia or Thrace making me likely a Celt (not quite far enough north to be a Brigantes) rather than a Roman Legionnaire - different sides of the war!

However, I do wonder if there is a possibility my x-grandfather arrived here in the relatively more recent past considering how the records lose all references to my surname, ok, that maybe due to lack of/destroyed records during the 1642-1651 Civil War but anybody now of any foreign fighters in the English Civil War for example.
 

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