G2-L497 a Rhaetic/Celtic marker

**zanipolo** · 23-07-13, 08:23

article below states that the marker G2-L497 was created in central Europe and that 80% of G in the alps is from this marker.

otzi is G-L91 and is only 1% of the G in the alps.

There is also stated 18% of this marker L497 in Ibiza

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1872497313001361

very strange how I can see the full article at work but not at home........I will link it tomorrow

**zanipolo** · 24-07-13, 07:45

from Post #1 link

one for Marciano

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**MOESAN** · 28-07-13, 11:09

I think we cannot do too much theories based on so light percentages: hazard is at play ...
I had hard time trying to read the table you gave us (thanks, by the way)
are this percentages of this SNP global absolute percentage or percentage within Y-G?
good sunday

**MOESAN** · 09-08-13, 16:04

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are this percentages of this SNP global absolute percentage or percentage within Y-G?
good sunday[/QUOTE]

I answer myself: MOESAN, you are stupid: the two kinds of pêrcentages were present on the table!
sorry - you have all of you three minuts to laugh at me!

**Nobody1** · 09-08-13, 16:14

Originally Posted by MOESAN

I answer myself: MOESAN, you are stupid: the two kinds of pêrcentages were present on the table!
sorry - you have all of you three minuts to laugh at me!

**LeBrok** · 09-08-13, 16:59

Originally Posted by zanipolo

from Post #1 link

one for Marciano

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Could Goths carry it around Europe, from Black Sea region?

**Sile** · 09-08-13, 20:32

Originally Posted by LeBrok

Could Goths carry it around Europe, from Black Sea region?

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as stated above, the census is that it was created in the alps

**MOESAN** · 09-08-13, 23:33

some thoughts (bets)
Y-G2-L91 seems of neolithical origin, arrived by sea (Mediterranea)
the large distribution of the "cousins" and ascendants of Y-G2-L497 seems checking wide european movements at some stage of History - Alani, Sarmatians??? an other neolithical branch of Anatolian-Caucasus farmers through the Danau river???
I would be glad if I had a complete deep analysis of Y-G2 in all Europe regions...
we know neolithic people reached the central Europe mountains (Alps) by two fluvial ways: Rhone and Danau... (some new phenotypes appeared in these regions at Neolithic time (Danubian + Cardial and then Chassey culture)

**MOESAN** · 09-08-13, 23:39

I don't say Y-G2-L497 is not born in central Alps - I say its not too ancient ancestors (upstreamSNPs) can have covered a broad landscape before its birth - a "babyboom" there at some time?
I forgot also the Etruscans, because the far upstream Y-G2-L30 had presence in eastern Mediterranea too...

uneasy for now!

**Sile** · 10-08-13, 00:03

Originally Posted by MOESAN

some thoughts (bets)
Y-G2-L91 seems of neolithical origin, arrived by sea (Mediterranea)
the large distribution of the "cousins" and ascendants of Y-G2-L497 seems checking wide european movements at some stage of History - Alani, Sarmatians??? an other neolithical branch of Anatolian-Caucasus farmers through the Danau river???
I would be glad if I had a complete deep analysis of Y-G2 in all Europe regions...
we know neolithic people reached the central Europe mountains (Alps) by two fluvial ways: Rhone and Danau... (some new phenotypes appeared in these regions at Neolithic time (Danubian + Cardial and then Chassey culture)

this might help you, its only 1 year old

http://dienekes.blogspot.com.au/2012...hromosome.html

**LeBrok** · 10-08-13, 15:52

Originally Posted by Sile

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as stated above, the census is that it was created in the alps

I know the clad is ancient. I was just thinking that it could have hitchhike recently with some tribes. If they are sure that it started in Alps then Goth scenario is invalid.
On second thought its movement looks more ancient, and is mostly located in coastal areas. Marker of sea travelers?

Did Venetians traveled to Scandinavia, or Vikings to Venice?

**Sile** · 10-08-13, 20:43

Originally Posted by LeBrok

I know the clad is ancient. I was just thinking that it could have hitchhike recently with some tribes. If they are sure that it started in Alps then Goth scenario is invalid.
On second thought its movement looks more ancient, and is mostly located in coastal areas. Marker of sea travelers?

Did Venetians traveled to Scandinavia, or Vikings to Venice?

I agree its mostly sea travel as well as to moldovia via the danube.

Only venetians I know that travelled to Scandinavia, iceland , faroe islands etc was the ZEN brothers, Nicolo and Antonio, who where there IIRC in the 14th Century...........Book, Venetian Navigators by Andra Di Robilant ( part of BBC collection ). Other is the similar cuisine in Cod dishes and Horse meat dishes shared by Venetians and Norwegians.

But as per link below ( part 2 link) it was discovered that melted bronze slabs ( metal ) was shipped to norway and sweden in the bronze age on a regular basis. major smelting areas for trade was from Tyrol and southern Spain to scandinavia.
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science...05440313002689

So, traders where already trading and communicating nearly 4000 years ago.

http://dienekes.blogspot.com.au/2013...ic-bronze.html

**MOESAN** · 10-08-13, 21:08

thanks for the link (but the maps are hard to interprete)
have a good week-end!

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