Fall of the Western Roman Empire

[zanipolo]

Roman skulls were closer to Etruscan skulls from central Italy than to Samnite skulls from the south.

Source: Rivista di Antropologia Volume LVI (1969).

Because some historians state the romans branched out of a southern etruscan tribe

[Fire Haired]

the genetic history of Italy thing freaking awesome. All of the genetic parts of this website explain things in such a truthful and interesting way that relates to history wikpedia does not. I mean it really tells the history of Europe like with the migration maps. Please keep making more articles.

I really think u should do that for every country or region of Europe. Also maybe dont just do Y DNA's because that is not complete ancestry maybe also mention aust. DNA and mtDNA. Italians have a signficant amount of mid eastern only Greeks and sotheast Europeans have. Aust DNA shows that in the gobe 13 test 30-40% of their aust DNA is mid eastern.

this is my opinion on aust dna origin in Europe but specifically Italy in the globe13 test
Paloithic and Mesloithic

North Euro ancestor form came at some time in the Paleolithic age probably in between 30,000-55,000ybp through the caucus mountains or Anatolia was probably the only aust DNa group in Mesolithic and Paleolithic europe other could have existed but died out it aslo may be connected with Y DNa I and last glacial maximum migrations that repopulated europe. Defines being European aka family all Europeans trace back too. U can go on and say how it is related to other aust DNa like it iis in the Caucasin family which consts of South west asian- meditreaen and west asian - north euro also that west asian and north euro are very realted brothers west asian may repsent y dna J.

Neloithic

brought aust DNA med which was over 59% in two early pre Indo European farmers in Europe. Med was spread in Neolithic age and sardine have 71% which means they are probably very Neolithic and have been isolated genetically.
Neloithci age also brought most of Europea's west asian and southwest asian but in Italy it is much higher and higher the more south u go most liley mainly came in Greco roman age.

Bronze and Iron age

Indo Europeans migrating out of the steppes most likley had over 70% paloithic north euro. Just like modern non slavic populations in that area. they have mainly brown eyes just like remains from yamna cuture they speak a urlaic language and i am pretty sure yamna was conquered by uralics at somepoint so they are possible decendnts. Also yamna where european population based on skin color and other DNA tests so basically i think that means they where full of north euro for example like udmurts.

proto Germanic italo Celts made their way to western Europe from the steppe by 5,000-4,500ybp. Italo celts settle in Unetice culture then around austira ara Celts spread Italics form in the alps with urnfield culture become early Iron workers then conquer Italy from 3,200-2,800ybp. Most likley increased the amount of north euro in Italy which could explain why they have more than Sardine.

Greco Roman civilized age or u can include it with iron and bronze age

Italic tribes become connected with the civilized world in the meditreaen become Hellenized by Greeks. This puts them in connected with people from around syria and iraq. Which explains why west asian nd southwest asian is centered around italy and greece and why southern areas who also have high amunt of Y DNA J have the most. a very signifcant 30-40% in Italians according to globe13 test have west asian and southwest asian. based on percentages it most likey came from iraq syria area.

[zanipolo]

Have you read my new article on the Genetic history of the Italians ?

Where it says at the bottom of your linked post about I, L and K*, most modern tests always place at least an idea of what definitely it was not by using a x in the bracket followed by a letter, at least this indicates they have done some testing.

Also, I note 15% of T in ibiza, followed by 18% of the latest G-L497( that I posted ) from ibiza, clearly indicates very ancient migrations

[nordicquarreler]

Autosomal distributions, haplogroup progressions, and the resulting phenotype values of what are now modern day Italy and Spain can all be neatly summed up by watching a few episodes of "Welcome Back, Kotter" from the 70's. Thank you and goodnight!

[Fire Haired]

Autosomal distributions, haplogroup progressions, and the resulting phenotype values of what are now modern day Italy and Spain can all be neatly summed up by watching a few episodes of "Welcome Back, Kotter" from the 70's. Thank you and goodnight!

if ur talking about me i never mentioned Spain. I said south Italians are traditionally darker than north Italians because they have more Y DNA J, west Asian and southwest Asian in aust dna tests, and are closer to the Mediterranean. So better chance of inter marraige with mid easterns in greco roman age.

[nordicquarreler]

Wasn't singling you out F.H., only trying to impart some humor in what can be a dry subject. Your ideas here actually pan out when looking at a map so I don't have any problems with them. Now watch some old sit-coms from the golden age of T.V. and lighten up a tad.

[Fire Haired]

okay i will

[Nobody1]

Have you read my new article on the Genetic history of the Italians ?

[Nobody1]

Roman skulls were closer to Etruscan skulls from central Italy than to Samnite skulls from the south.

Source: Rivista di Antropologia Volume LVI (1969).

Charles Loring Brace - The Races of the Old World (1863)
The common Roman type, still seen among the peasantry, according to Dr. Wiseman, is a large, flat head, a low wide forehead, a face broad and square, short thick neck, and a short broad figure, such as is found in many of the antique representations of the Roman soldier.


Latium (Central Italy) - Alpinoid - [Rassengeschichte der Menschheit]


Marche (Central Italy) - Dinaric - [Rassengeschichte der Menschheit]



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Etruscans were a mix of Indo-European Italics and non-Indo-European Pelasgians; to begin with
Both in Etruscan as well as Roman cemeteries -
there are Brachycephalic and Dolichocephalic types;
clearly displaying the internal (un-mixed) diversity;


where as in the Po Valley (Ligurians - Umbrians) display a
uniformed (inter-mixed) Brachycephalic Alpinoid type;

Anthropological Society of London - Anthropological review: Vol.V (1867)
when I look upon the delineations of the crania, the photographs and the figures given by M. Nicolucci himself, it appears to me that the difference between Ligurians and Umbrians, is about equal to the differences between Allemands and Germans.

[Nobody1]

Only The Sopranos rule ! Best TV show ever ! all the rest than go eff themselves;



RIP James Gandolfini


even this is better than Kotter.......

[Fire Haired]

Nobody 1 i doubt we know if the romans had a specfic skull type or body type. they where caucasins which is any one in europe, mid est, and north africa south asians also have caucasin skull tye, facial features, hair texture, and body hair but they are not caucasin by dna. Romans where orignally afamily in one city whoo where from italic tribes they where just plain italian not any diff from other italians. they where also european i doubt they had any diff skull shapes or whatever from europeans or other caucasins. but i have noticed Italian look which repents ancient roman art but i dont know doubt there is any connection

[giuseppe rossi]

Roman skulls were closer to Etruscan skulls from central Italy than to Samnite skulls from the south.

Source: Rivista di Antropologia Volume LVI (1969).

Etruscans had many colonies also in Campania and Samnites were Central Italians from Abruzzo who briefly occupied parts of Campania.