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    There is the data of FTDNA that was published a few months ago


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    Quote Originally Posted by Belmonde View Post
    There is the data of FTDNA that was published a few months ago



    Thanks for sharing. The DF27 frequencies are a bit lower in this table than what I calculated above because I excluded all R1b results that were not tested for subclades.
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    Hello DNA-world. My name is Vic van Lijf and my family comes from Maastricht, since 1670. (Where d'Artagnan died outside the walls) The name Lijf is the dialect form of Leuven, the Belgian University town. My DNA is R1b-cts4549, what I found in a few steps testing. I started genealogy because of the strange name: Lijf in Dutch means body but all names with "van" are toponyms. And, indeed, ultimately is was Leuven. I am still having tested 2 other members of my ancestry-tree. Waiting for results.

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    @maciano,Not that it really matters. But when is it going to happen that drawing maps of R1B in Portugal is it going to be correct and show the most southern region of Portugal as over 70% r1b? Actually the two most higher R1b percentages in Portugal are south of Tagus river (setubal) and in the most southern region (algarve). True that 100 km region of Alentejo is only 40% r1b and has almost all haplos. But this maps of yours should be correct. Sort of as on purpose to tell "they never get there"... see the visual impact?

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    Quote Originally Posted by A. Papadimitriou View Post
    What study found it in Greece?

    The guy from the Greek FTDNA project who has it must be Arvanite or Vlach but not from there supposedly.
    Maybe Arvanite of Catalan origin. It would make sense for those who know Greek history, although it would seem weird.
    Catalan! Albanians don't appear on this map having this subclade! Interesting how mixed Greece is! how long did Catalans stay in Greece?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Olympus Mons View Post
    @maciano,Not that it really matters. But when is it going to happen that drawing maps of R1B in Portugal is it going to be correct and show the most southern region of Portugal as over 70% r1b? Actually the two most higher R1b percentages in Portugal are south of Tagus river (setubal) and in the most southern region (algarve). True that 100 km region of Alentejo is only 40% r1b and has almost all haplos. But this maps of yours should be correct. Sort of as on purpose to tell "they never get there"... see the visual impact?

    Interesting, I never would have thought of those percentages for the Algarve region. Do we have enough samples to get a good resolution, if so then what could account for that? I am very well versed in portuguese history and the supposed R1b bearers would have settled mostly in the "Entre-Douro-e-Minho"(Galacians) and the Alentejo region (Celtici). In my long-held opinion, the southernmost areas of Portugal were massively depopulated and settled by christians from the north. That could be the reason for such high proportion of r1b, a kind of founder effect where the men that came to the algarve were mostly R1b. Still very interesting.

    PS: The Lusitani are still a debated issue but I think that if not celtic they were indo-european at least.

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    Quote Originally Posted by suebiking View Post
    Interesting, I never would have thought of those percentages for the Algarve region. Do we have enough samples to get a good resolution, if so then what could account for that? I am very well versed in portuguese history and the supposed R1b bearers would have settled mostly in the "Entre-Douro-e-Minho"(Galacians) and the Alentejo region (Celtici). In my long-held opinion, the southernmost areas of Portugal were massively depopulated and settled by christians from the north. That could be the reason for such high proportion of r1b, a kind of founder effect where the men that came to the algarve were mostly R1b. Still very interesting.

    PS: The Lusitani are still a debated issue but I think that if not celtic they were indo-european at least.
    I think he took the percentages from the paper Beleza et. al 2006. These:

    "https://s26.postimg.org/4pjmadr2x/y-dna_Portugal.png"

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    @Punhetadebacalhau,
    Correct.

    @suebiking,
    with 76 in Algarve and 78 in Setubal, and both not having at all later R1b3f (later Val d'Aran type) to me its obvious. They were in Algarve for a very long time. The result of the Turduli tribes. Portuguese are most Turduli (even tough turduli could be later also called Lusitanians). Turduli were the remaining of the arrival population from 3300bc that blocked the passage to the left bank of Guadiana and hence made the birth of Portugal. That moment defined Portuguese history (or pre-history) Portuguese own their existence to whomever settled in Mercador, Paraiso, juromenha, and blocked passage to big places such as Porto TorrĂ£o, Perdigoes, etc.

    Well see http://r1b2westerneurope.blogs.sapo.pt/ and to a very ancient dive http://shulaveri2bellbeaker.blogs.sapo.pt/

    Great read for summer this here at the beach. :)

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