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Thread: New map of R1b-ht35 (L23, L51, L11, Z2103)

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    Y-DNA haplogroup
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    Ethnic group
    more celtic
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    Based on %s this map shows the H35 % among Y-R1b; not an absolute percentage - and the less H35 zone is labelled between 1 and 5%; in strong density lands for R1b with, say, 1 àr 1,5%, this H35 can be a "local" old upstram part (unmutated or supposed so, ancestral), not an intruder from South or South-East? Try to know...

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    I will say: not a MORE RECENT intruder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Meazzano View Post
    I'm the case near Foggia. But there is a question: Northern Apulia wasn't colonized by greeks. The only greek colony in Apulia is Taranto, quite far from Cerignola and Andria (homeland of Montingelli, my surname). Any answers? than kyou
    It could be a line from BA Central Europe, spreading with Italic peoples. Otherwise, maybe Illyrian: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iapygi...imple_map).svg.

    Do you know which exact sublclade you belong to?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maciamo View Post
    Here is a new map showing the Proto-Indo-European R1b, as well Greek and Anatolian branches of Indo-European people, including the Hittites, Lydians, Phrygians and Armenians. The Trojans also probably belonged to this group. This branch of R1b is the first that emerged from the Pontic Steppe and therefore expanded from the Balkans and Carpathians. It includes R1b-L23/S141, its subclade L51/M412/S167, and its two subclades L11/S127/L151 (in central an northern Europe) and Z2103 (in Anatolia and Assyria). Altogether they are known as 'haplotype 35' (ht35), as opposed to the Western European 'haplotype 15', which comprises the Proto-Italo-Celtic P312/S116 and the Proto-Germanic U106/S21.

    @Maciamo can you shed light a bit more on the below please?...

    1. According to this source your R1b M269-L23 would be the same as
    R1b-M269 (xL23) ?
    haplogroup-r1b-m269xl23.jpg

    2. Here on this study the spread goes from the central Balkans dont know about the timeframe though...you also mention ''This branch of R1b is the first that emerged from the Pontic Steppe and therefore expanded from the Balkans and Carpathians",
    You also mention quote Z2103 could have descended from Albania or Macedonia during the Dorian invasion (see below), thought to have happened in the 12th century BCE.

    THIS WOULD BE EXACTLY AS ON THE ABOVE MAP

    Which haplogroup do you think mainly belonged to this group?


    Source from:
    Data used is mainly from Myres et al. (2011). For DF27, newly reported data includes reports by Solé-Morata et al. (2017). Both have been reviewed, including more recent papers, in data reported by Hernández et al. (2018).
    https://indo-european.eu/maps/haplogroup-r1b-m269/
    Last edited by noUseForAname; 10-01-20 at 15:36.

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