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    Spain Vs UK - Gibraltar



    Who's right?

    Is Spain breaking the law with excessive border checks and threatening border fees, or has the UK crossed a line building artificial reefs on what is rightfully Spanish territory?
    Is this just another crack in the EU.


    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-23668589


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    The problem is plain and simple. Controlling Gibraltar means controlling the commercial activity over the Mediterranean. If Spain manages to structure it railways through the rest of Iberia (Portugal) and get to the Atlantic, Gibraltar is obsolete. Knowing that, do you really think the recent tragedy of Santiago De Compostela was an "accident"? UK has been always near the US and against Europe. Always dividing and conquering. They managed to confront France with Germany, Poland with Germany, Spain with the Netherlands, he controls the resources of Malvinas in South America (what is UK doing down there?) and Gibraltar, like a parasite. I think Spain should recover itself leaving the EU for now and reconstructing its own industry and of course, develop a nuclear weapon that let that enter the G8. This is not about nationalism or who has the right, this is about geopolitics.

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    First of all, they have held many sovereignty referendums over the past many decades. The citizens of Gibralatar has voted again, and again to be British! The Spanish are beating a dead horse!

    The Treaty of Utrecht ceded Gibraltar to the British for eternity! It is British, and it will never be Spanish.

    Britain let Hong Kong go to the Chinese, and they shouldn't have done that. They can't let Gibraltar go to the Spanish.

    The British need to go and send an entire naval fleet to Gibraltar, as boost the number of soldiers there. Show the Spanish who their messing with. NATO should help them out too.

    It is good that at least a warship is coming there.


    God save the Queen! Long Live Britannia!


    This is for Spain:

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    It's easy to be democratic when you do not let non-british people to stay in those places. It's illegal for argentinians to stay in Malvinas, to raise a home or work or have a family there. Nice for a "Democratic" country like UK right? :). Nevertheless the british can be harsh with the now third-world Spain, but they have ran and hide behind the US since Putin made clear there's no place for intrigues in Eurasia. The russians won't let this half-african island keep going through the north of AFPAK. Russia-Iran-Syria/ China plus India-Brasil they are playing the right cards, they even made Obama leave Israel on its own last week :). I say the only problem in UE could be cause by false democracies which take advantages of their european "brothers".

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    Gibraltar row: Spain 'can't trust' UK, official says.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-23694400


    Glass houses stone throwing comes to mind.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ceuta

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    It's really simple, UK and US are today's Cartago. They are Sea powers, throughout history they've always tried to conquer the Sea to conquer the land. I am not saying they don't have the right, I am just saying that they are imperialists with no interest whatsoever in EUs, UNs or the European Brotherhood, they've always been against Europe and always will be, and that's not bad, because every country should stand for their right to conquer. I blame Spain for not been intelligent enough to grasp the idea that there's no "friends", "brothers, between nations, but competitors. They bought the old fairytale of Democracy. Movements like ETA for the País Vasco or Cataluña, they are all financed by english organizations.

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    I wonder who finances this loborasenna guy to post nonsensical theories with no basis LOL

    People from Gibralatar don't want to be Spanish as Coolboygcp noted above. What is funny on the other hand, is that Castille/Spain renounced to keep Gibraltar to stop England's intervention in Catalonia 300 years ago. ¿And guess what? They are going to lose Catalonia anyways, that's why the Spanish politicians are so nervous lately.

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    I am financed by the G8 and The Illuminatti :). No, seriously. My country, Uruguay, it's an invention of England to stop Argentina from get freely to the Atlantic. Also all those little states on Eastern-Europe like Estonia, Letonia, Lituania, are inventions to stop Russia to extend to Western-Europe and keep american missiles in their territory. By the way, Spanish politicians are not nervous at all about Cataluña, why should they? They've just get their independence and they are already broken XD. Thank that to MAS :). The truth about that is that Cataluña does not have an identity of its own, they have an invented history just to fulfill the purposes of English imperialism, but there's no point in talking about that right now. Again, there's no "people" in Gibraltar, nor democracy. When they allow spaniards to move there then they can talk about what the "people" of Gibraltar want or not. It's easy to be democratic when you don't let the opposition to stay in the room :).

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    Quote Originally Posted by loborasenna View Post
    Also all those little states on Eastern-Europe like Estonia, Letonia, Lituania, are inventions to stop Russia to extend to Western-Europe and keep american missiles in their territory.
    Few brief remarks: These three little countries are no inventions, they are old Baltic nations. And Russia did not extend to europe since many decades already, instead it shrinked and withdrew its armies back home after 1990.

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    Obviously. With "extend" I meant, economically and commercially. With Poland (another invention after the genocide of the Prussian nation) being the biggest US/ UK satellite in that area. Nevertheless, Russia will, eventually drag all these little states under its influence. In the case of Spain, that country has a terrific railway project, they have the most modern and efficient train service of Europe and if they could reach Portugal then the Atlantic would be a commercial platform to stretch across the ocean to Brazil. If that happens, Gibraltar will be obsolete for Spain. The same with Russia, in that case, US/ UK managed to put Turkey in his way to avoid Eurasia to reach the Mediterranean. Also creating instability in Georgia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by loborasenna View Post
    I am financed by the G8 and The Illuminatti :). No, seriously. My country, Uruguay, it's an invention of England to stop Argentina from get freely to the Atlantic. Also all those little states on Eastern-Europe like Estonia, Letonia, Lituania, are inventions to stop Russia to extend to Western-Europe and keep american missiles in their territory. By the way, Spanish politicians are not nervous at all about Cataluña, why should they?
    With Poland (another invention after the genocide of the Prussian nation) being the biggest US/ UK satellite in that area. Nevertheless, Russia will, eventually drag all these little states under its influence
    Where the hell did you get this stuff from???!!! Tell us who invented Polish language, Estonian, Lithuanian, etc? Was it US or Russia? These countries (unlike Uruguay) have their languages and distinct cultures for at least a thousand years.

    I'm sorry, but from reading your post it looks like you are stuck in 19 century understanding of the world.
    Be wary of people who tend to glorify the past, underestimate the present, and demonize the future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Knovas View Post
    People from Gibralatar don't want to be Spanish as Coolboygcp noted above.

    Quote Originally Posted by loborasenna View Post
    Again, there's no "people" in Gibraltar, nor democracy. When they allow spaniards to move there then they can talk about what the "people" of Gibraltar want or not. It's easy to be democratic when you don't let the opposition to stay in the room :).
    Exactly.

    There has never been democracy. It is just about how much money are US and IMF allowed to print and to give to some country, so that their people would vote for a pro US government that would eventually lead to a NATO membership.

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    Loborasenna really amazes me. I am starting to think he is financed by Carlos xD.

    Invented history and identity? what is the Catalan language then? did you even read something about the Catalan Constitutions? what happened with this after the war of succession? You obviously don't know anything about Catalonia, not to mention other nations as LeBrok says. You better make sure you have the knowledge before spreading lies and absurdities.

    PD: The point of letting Spaniards stay in Gibraltar is by far the best one. Come on, let's put hundreds of thousands of Spaniards to reconquer the land. Very democratic, ¿why considering the people who lives and works there? By the way, to my knowledge, a lot of Spaniards move there every day, since it is impossible to find a job in Spain. Time to go guys...¬¬

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    Quote Originally Posted by Knovas View Post
    Loborasenna really amazes me. I am starting to think he is financed by Carlos xD.
    His IP shows Uruguay.
    It is obvious, he dreams about Spanish Empire, anything else doesn't matter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Knovas View Post
    PD: The point of letting Spaniards stay in Gibraltar is by far the best one. Come on, let's put hundreds of thousands of Spaniards to reconquer the land. Very democratic, ¿why considering the people who lives and works there?

    Nice, because that's the main argument of fascism against immigration. They are invading us! They will take our jobs!. No wonder you're a catalanian nationalist. Funny, because your already-financially-broken heavy-bureaucratized nation that rejects the idea of been part of Spain and claims for its own non-existent identity (apart from language, and not that much taking in account the massive amount of other spaniards living in there talking their own language) is letting africans in and kicking spaniards out, letting Islam in and kicking catholics out. Nice way to affirm your identity!

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    Again, the only thing you have proven, is that you're absolutely unaware of the Catalan and the Baltic countries history. You just reaffirmed.

    The rest is nothing but a biased and dishonest interpretation (wrong), let alone the conspiracy theories you simply make up.

    Really funny, I agree on that


    PD: Wait for September 11, you'll see by yourself what is massive in Catalonia xDDD

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    When I say the little states of the Baltic have been "invented", I am saying it geopolitically of course. For "Conspiracy Theories" you may have to take a look on the works of Sir Halford John Mackinder, he's the father of Geopolitics, you will have the chance of educate yourself.

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    I'll educate myself reading your comments, top class forumer ;)

    At least I can correct a typo, that's something.

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    No, that's nothing really. But, of course, there's always a place to correct spelling when you don't have any valuable argument right? ;)

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    I thought this was settled in a referendum some years ago. Gibraltar voted to remain under the U.K.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cambrius (The Red) View Post
    I thought this was settled in a referendum some years ago. Gibraltar voted to remain under the U.K.
    No democracy according to him. Now it seems the valuable argument is explaining stories taken from american movies.

    Love it.

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    It is important that the U.E. run an audit on Gibraltar. Ms. Merkel knows that you are cooking in Gibraltar against the EU and that behind is U.K. USA Canada and New Zealand is vital for Europe to end the tax haven representing the colony of Gibraltar.

    Miss Merkel Gibraltar Rock hides a spy and intelligence center that severely handicap our European community a tax audit is vital at all levels of Gibraltar.


    Gibraltar is a colony and from now will remember how uncomfortable it is to live in a colony.


    There is much at stake and I hope someone will do to get my message.


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    PS: It's not crazy I have a lot of confidence in myself and I'm sure my letter will arrive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by loborasenna View Post
    Obviously. With "extend" I meant, economically and commercially. With Poland (another invention after the genocide of the Prussian nation) being the biggest US/ UK satellite in that area. Nevertheless, Russia will, eventually drag all these little states under its influence. In the case of Spain, that country has a terrific railway project, they have the most modern and efficient train service of Europe and if they could reach Portugal then the Atlantic would be a commercial platform to stretch across the ocean to Brazil. If that happens, Gibraltar will be obsolete for Spain. The same with Russia, in that case, US/ UK managed to put Turkey in his way to avoid Eurasia to reach the Mediterranean. Also creating instability in Georgia.
    Look up the partition of poland. Poland-lithuania was once a giant that make russia pee itself and got teamed up on and taken down by people who had no idea what a mistake it would be in the long run.

    And prussia extended a lot further east and was gobbled by russia. Moving poland was no invention of the US or GB it was all about russia taking part of poland and all of east prussia.

    Hmm, the crown of aragon was the real spain, and is how the conquista was won. It's the castillians who became traitors, after becoming ruled by tyrants from france and austria and finally teaming up with evil to take down a small but great nation that had humiliated giants time and again. Since then it's been nothing but tyrrany. Catalonia should be free, and cut loos aquitaine while you're at it, france is just as tyrannical and incompetent.

    Madrid only hates on England because they are smooth enough to get things done without torturing people in the streets, it's sheer jealousy. They appeal to brotherhood of nations because now they have crushed down anyone with a brain and ran the whole country onto the rocks they have no hope to fight a power like morocco let alone GB or United States.

    Not just catalonia will split up, the whole thing will fall apart.

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    The real Spain is when it reaches the unification of all regions and Catalonia is now free to be a region of Spain that should everything and spent a few days in France and ran back again with Spain.


    Now the important thing is to finish Gibraltar espionage that center serving USA U.K. New Zealand, Canada.

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    The real "Spain" (still didn't exist) was in fact composed by different countries. All territories had specific laws and FULL autonomy. So basically inside the crown of Aragon, we found different realms acting as states, where the Principate of Catalonia preserved its own language, culture, traditions and, of course, institutions. It is funny to see some Spaniards telling there's no similarity between Scottland and Catalonia, because the former was a kingdom while the later just a principate: the degree of autonomy was exactly the same, so whatever the tag was doesn't matter at all. Catalonia will be a free region when finally decides to recover its natural status.

    And of course, Gibraltar won't never be part of Spain until Gibraltarians want to. Also, thanks to Gibraltar, lots of Spaniards have a job (work in Gibraltar) or a way to subsist (certainly thanks to the smuggling practice). But to make it short, the alternative is much better than the Spanish offer, since at least people can eat something everyday. It is not UK's fault if Spain is a complete disaster.

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