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    [QUOTE=Goga;414882]LeBrok, you blocked me on another thread about J2a so I do answer your question here.
    ” Are you trying to confuse us on purpose?
    According to you, Aryans originally were J2a (IE and came from steppe), conquered mesopotamia, populated it with high J2a, which later gave start to Jews, their main HG? Other words, proto Jews were Aryans.
    Now, Hitler would really flip. “ [/quote
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    Huh? You’re twisting my words. I never said that J2a is from Central Asia. J2a is native to the mountains of West Asia. J2a was born & evolved somewhere between the Taurus of Zagros mountains of West Asia. R1a-Z93 was native to (the north-western parts of) the Iranian Plateau & Central Asia, has been living there for thousands of years.
    According to the Jewish scientists themselves, proto-Jews were J2a folks and came from the mountains
    Proto Jews if anything were a mix of E1b, J1 and J2 just like most Semites. Don't through arguments with no evidence into the room. J2a and Jewish origin is not even a theory but pure speculation.

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    Romans & Christianity


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    Romans and Haplogroup J2.

    "Attempts to ascertain Sicilian "ethnic" origins should be undertaken with caution because haplogroups do not correspond precisely to medieval or modern conceptions of nationality. At best, they are approximate. For example, J2 is identified with Greeks but also with some Germans. Speaking very broadly, the most frequent Y haplogroups of the world's most conquered island may be correlated most probably (albeit imprecisely) to the following peoples: • J2 - Greeks, Romans, Jews, Spaniards,"
    Best of Sicily - Genetics
    http://www.bestofsicily.com/genetics.htm

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    Etruscans (J2) and Rome.

    "From about 700 BCE, the Etruscans settled around Tuscany and the Greeks in southern Italy. Etruscans probably came from Palestine and brought haplogroups J1, J2 and E with them. The Greeks in Italy were Doric and brought J2, E, G2a and probably more R1b (see above). The Romans progressively absorbed the Etruscans and Italian Greeks and mixed with them. By the time of Julius Caesar Roman citizens were probably composed of 45% of R1b, 20% of J, 15% of E, 15% of G2a and 5% of I2a."
    Eupedia.com - Y-DNA haplogroups of ancient civilizations.
    http://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/25163-Y-DNA-haplogroups-of-ancient-civilizations

    "A 2004 study by Semino et al. contradicted this study, and showed that Italians in North-central regions (like Tuscany and Emilia-Romagna) had a higher concentration of J2 than their Southern counterparts. North-central had 26.9% J2, whereas Calabria (a far Southern region) had 20.0%, Sardinia had 9.7% and Sicily had 16.7%. This could be because of the ancient Etruscans, who some think originated in the Near East."
    Wikipedia.org - Genetic History of Italy.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_history_of_Italy

    "Occurrence of J2-M172 Y-chromosomes in Tuscany has been related to the Etruscan heritage of the region."
    Uniparental Markers of Contemporary Italian Population Reveals Details on Its Pre-Roman Heritage.
    http://www.plosone.org/article/info:...l.pone.0050794

    "Wine making spread to Crete during the Minoan period and then later to Italy with the Etruscans and to Iberia with the Phoenicians. It was an integral component of the economy and social culture of the proto-greek civilizations and the phoenicians who both went on to settle other mediterranean coastal regions. And tracing the spread of Viticulture from its origins to its spread before the Roman period, we can see te highest levels of Haplogroup J2 today correlate with the geographical centres of all these civilizations. While viticulture may not represent the first wave of M172 migrants to Europe, M172 certainly played a strong role in bringing Viticulture to Europe with such civilizations as the Minoans, Greeks and Phoenicians."
    M172 Blog - Correlations in the spread of Viticulture and Haplogroup J2, 2008.
    http://m172.blogspot.nl/2008/10/corr...ticulture.html

    "J2a`s strong presence in Italy is owed in great part to the migration of the Etruscans from western Anatolia to central and northern Italy, and to the Greek colonisation of southern Italy. Immigration from the eastern Mediterranean to Rome during the Roman Empire, then from Anatolia, Thrace and Greece during the Byzantine period period (particularly in north-eastern Italy) further increased the incidence of j2 in the peninsula."
    Eupedia.com - Haplogroup J2. (2013)
    http://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_J2_Y-DNA.shtml

    "The presence of J2 haplotypes in central Italy may be related to the debated hypothesis of an Anatolian origin of the Etruscan people, as suggested by mtDNA analysis on modern and ancient samples (Francalacci et al., 1996; Vernesi et al., 2004; Achilli et al., 2007), although it could be arrived in the region much earlier following the Neolithic expansion."
    Phylogeography of Y-chromosome in Europe.
    http://eprints.uniss.it/2783/1/Francalacci_P_Articolo_2008_History.pdf

    "A certain occurrence of J2-M172 Y-chromosomes in Tuscany has been related to the Etruscan heritage of the region (Achilli et al., 2007)."
    Phylogeography of Y-chromosome in Europe.
    http://eprints.uniss.it/2783/1/Francalacci_P_Articolo_2008_History.pdf

    Etruscan Origins of Rome and Italy.

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    Romans and Haplogroup J2.

    "If J2b-Delta is a separate discrete lineage within J2b, this could have implications regarding when the lineage arrived in the British Isles. At present the two main hypotheses regarding the arrival of J2 in the British Isles that are commonly touted are 1) Neolithic farmers 2) Roman soldiers."
    J2 Y-DNA Poject - J2 Cluster Analysis.
    http://j2-ydnaproject.org/analysisphase3.html

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    Haplogroup J2, Britain, Romans and Viticulture.



    "Rome's influence on Britain with respect to wine is not so much viticultural as it is cultural. Throughout modern history, the British have played a key role in shaping the world of wine and defining global wine markets. Though evidence of V. vinifera vines in the British Isles dates back to the Hoxnian Stage when the climate was much warmer than i...t is today, British interest in wine production greatly increased following the Roman conquest of Britain in the 1st century AD.

    Amphoras from Italy indicate that wine was regularly transported to Britain at great expense by sea, around the Iberian Peninsula. The development of wine-producing regions in Bordeaux and Germany made supplying the needs of Roman colonists much easier at less cost. The presence of amphora production houses found in what is now Brockley and Middlesex indicates that the British probably had vineyards of their own as well.

    There is clear evidence that the Roman cult of Bacchus, the wine god, was practiced in Britain: more than 400 artifacts depicting his likeness have been found throughout Britain. Included in the Mildenhall Treasure collection is a silver dish engraved with Bacchus having a drinking contest with Hercules. In Colchester, excavations have uncovered containers identifying over 60 different types of wines from Italy, Spain, the Rhine and Bordeaux."
    Ancient Rome and Wine.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Rome_and_wine

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    "Romans surely helped spread haplogroup J2 across its borders, judging from the distribution of J2 within Europe (frequency over 5%) wich bears an uncanny resemblance to the borders of the Roman Empire."
    Eupedia.com, 2013.

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    J2-M172 Y-DNA European Countries Population Estimate Top 25 + Civilisations.
    (Top 25 of all countries included in this research & major civilisations/tribes they were part of.)

    1. Turkey/Anatolia (8.966.912) - (Ancient Greece*, Thrace, Roman Empire, Byzantium, Ottoman Empire)
    2. Italy (5.513.513) - (Ancient Greece*, Etruscan, Roman Empire, Byzantium, Holy Roman Empire)
    3. France (2.198.498) - (Ancient Greece*, Roman Empire, Frankish Empire, Holy Roman Empire)
    4. Russia (2.137.766) - (Ancient Greece*, Sarmatia, Scythia, Russian Empire)
    5. Germany (1.829.382) - (Germania, Roman Empire, Frankish Empire, Holy Roman Empire)
    6. Ukraine (1.457.757) - (Ancient Greece*, Sarmatia, Scythia)
    7. Romania (1.420.153) - (Ancient Greece*, Thrace, Roman Empire, Ottoman Empire)
    8. Spain (1.417.960) - (Ancient Greece*, Phoenician, Roman Empire, Gothic Kingdom, Moors, Spanish Empire)
    9. Greece (1.238.300) - (Ancient Greece*, Greek Seleucid Empire*, Roman Empire, Byzantium, Ottoman)
    10. England (892.500) - (Roman Empire, British Empire)
    11. Bulgaria (545.440) - (Ancient Greece*, Thrace, Roman Empire, Byzantium, Ottoman Empire)
    12. Portugal (512.119) - (Ancient Greece*, Phoenician, Roman Empire)
    13. Netherlands (501.919) - (Germania, Roman Empire, Frankish Empire, Holy Roman Empire)
    14. Austria (493.185) - (Roman Empire, Frankish Empire, Holy Roman Empire, Austria- Hungarian Empire)
    15. Poland (480.192) - (Sarmatia, Polish Kingdom, Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, Vlach & German Settlers)
    16. Hungary (348.546) - (Roman Empire, Kingdom of Hungary, Austria- Hungarian Empire)
    17. Czech Republic (305.319) - (Roman Empire, Holy Roman Empire)
    18. Albania (292.779) - (Ancient Greece*, Illyria, Roman Empire, Byzantium, Ottoman Empire)
    19. Switserland (240.000) - (Roman Empire, Frankish Empire, Holy Roman Empire)
    20. Serbia (236.490) - (Ancient Greece*, Roman Empire, Austria- Hungarian Empire, Ottoman Empire)
    21. Cyprus (203.378) - (Ancient Greece*, Roman Empire, Byzantium, Ottoman Empire)
    22. Sweden (143.101) - (Germanic, Nordic, Viking, Kingdom of Sweden, Swedish Empire)
    23. Macedonia (FYROM) (124.942) - (Ancient Greece*, Macedon, Roman Empire, Byzantium, Ottoman Empire)
    24. Bosnia-Herzegovina (116.379) - (Illyria, Roman Empire, Byzantium, Ottoman Empire)
    25. Slovakia (108.906) - (Scytho-Thracian, Celts, Roman Empire, Kingdom of Hungary)

    J2-M172 Y-DNA Countries Of All Regions Population Estimate Top 25 + Civilisations.
    (Top 25 of all countries included in this research & major civilisations/tribes they were part of.)


    1. Turkey/Anatolia (8.966.912) - (Ancient Greece*, Thrace, Roman Empire, Byzantium, Ottoman Empire)
    2. Italy (5.513.513) - (Ancient Greece*, Etruscan, Roman Empire, Byzantium, Holy Roman Empire)
    3. Egypt (4.510.000) - (Ancient Egypt, Greek Ptolemaic Kingdom*, Roman Empire, Ottoman Empire)
    4. Iran (4.508.980) - (Parthian Empire, Greek Seleucid Empire*, Greco-Bactrian Kingdom*, Persian Empire)
    5. Iraq (3.035.099) - (Mesopotamia, Greek Seleucid Empire*, Roman Empire, Persian Empire, Ottoman Empire)
    6. France (2.198.498) - (Ancient Greece*, Roman Empire, Frankish Empire, Holy Roman Empire)
    7. Russia (2.137.766) - (Ancient Greece*, Sarmatia, Scythia, Russian Empire)
    8. Syria (1.915.113) - (Mesopotamia, Phoenician, Greek Seleucid Empire*, Roman Empire, Ottoman Empire)
    9. Germany (1.829.382) - (Germania, Roman Empire, Frankish Empire, Holy Roman Empire)
    10. Ukraine (1.457.757) - (Ancient Greece*, Sarmatia, Scythia)
    11. Romania (1.420.153) - (Ancient Greece*, Thrace, Roman Empire, Ottoman Empire)
    12. Spain (1.417.960) - (Ancient Greece*, Phoenician, Roman Empire, Gothic Kingdom, Moors, Spanish Empire)
    13. Azerbaijan (1.397.663) - (Scythia, Greek Seleucid Empire*, Roman Empire, Persian Empire)
    14. Greece (1.238.300) - (Ancient Greece*, Greek Seleucid Empire*, Roman Empire, Byzantium, Ottoman)
    15. England (892.500) - (Celtic, Roman Empire, British Empire)
    16. Georgia (603.342) - (Ancient Greece*, Roman Empire)
    17. Lebanon (549.120) - (Phoenician, Persian Empire, Greek Seleucid Empire*, Roman Empire, Ottoman)
    18. Bulgaria (545.440) - (Ancient Greece*, Thrace, Roman Empire, Byzantium, Ottoman Empire)
    19. Portugal (512.119) - (Ancient Greece*, Phoenician, Roman Empire)
    20. Netherlands (501.919) - (Germania, Roman Empire, Frankish Empire, Holy Roman Empire)
    21. Austria (493.185) - (Roman Empire, Frankish Empire, Holy Roman Empire)
    22. Morocco (489.666) - (Phoenician, Roman Empire)
    23. Poland (480.192) - (Sarmatia, Polish Kingdom, Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, Vlach & German Settlers)
    24. Jordan (423.038) - (Greek Seleucid Empire*, Roman Empire, Persian Empire, Ottoman Empire)
    25. Armenia (358.842) - (Kingdom of Armenia, Roman Empire, Persian Empire. Ottoman Empire, Russian)

    Taken from: http://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads...Size-Estimates
    Original File: https://www.facebook.com/download/64...Estimates.docx
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    Really....only 400,000-500,000 j2 men in Lebanon and Georgia, I doubt that ; it should be more

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    Haplogroup J2, Romans & Britain.



    "Little is known of Aulus Plautius's early career. An inscription reveals he was involved in the suppression of a slave revolt in Apulia, probably in 24, alongside Marcus Aelius Celer.[1] He was suffect consul for the second half of 29, and held a provincial governorship, probably of Pannonia, in the early years of Claudius's reign: another inscription shows he oversaw the building of a road between Trieste and Rijeka at this time. Claudius appointed him to lead his invasion of Britannia in 43, in support of Verica, king of the Atrebates and an ally of Rome, who had been deposed by his eastern neighbours the Catuvellauni. The army was composed of four legions, IX Hispana, then in Pannonia, II Augusta, XIV Gemina, and XX Valeria Victrix, plus approximately 20,000 auxiliary troops, including Thracians and Batavians."
    Aulus Plautius
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aulus_Plautius

    "It is important to note that at least four additional YDNA markers may have arrived with the Romans. What have been described as the Balkan group (E-V13), the Ancient Caucasians (G-S314), the Herdsman-Farmers (J-M172 – and a sub-group of this, M67, looks particularly Italian) and the Anatolian marker (R1b-M269*), when taken together, potentially add another 2.3 million Englishmen and Welshmen who could trace their fatherlines to the veterans of the II Augusta, the IX Hispana, the XIV Gemina, the XX Valeria Victrix and the other Italians who crossed to Britain in their wake."
    BritainsDNA Press Releases - BritainsDNA finds the Lost Legions.
    http://www.britainsdna.com/about/press-releases

    "Cruciani et al.’s E-V13 and J2-M12 coalescence times bear a striking similarity to carbon-14-based date calculations for certain archaeological sites in the Maritsa river valley and its tributaries, near the city of Nova Zagora, Bulgaria (Nilolova, 2002). These sites are associated directly with the proto-Thracian culture of the southern Balkans that came to dominate the region during the first millennium BCE. Sites surveyed included Ezero, Yunatsite, Dubene-Sarovka and Plovdiv-Nebet Tepe, all of which had deep associations with the developing EBA proto-Thracian culture of the region."
    Haplogroup E3b1a2 as a Possible Indicator of Settlement in Roman Britain by Soldiers of Balkan Origin.
    http://www.jogg.info/32/bird.htm

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    Haplogroup J2 and Romans.

    "A recent DNA test was a bit of a surprise and has proven some of my family never made it home. J2 M172 is a very strange and rare YDNA for a English family to have. The best answer I have found was Syrian archers or others brought in from the middle east passed their genetic line onto my ancestors during the roman occupation of England."
    A whole bunch of Ing's.
    http://www.awholebunchofings.com/2012_04_01_archive.html

    "The J2 haplogroup can be found in today's populations with notable frequency in Italy, Iberia, Turkey, Albania, Greece and even India, and most likely interacted with numerous cultures, including the Greeks and Romans."
    Whittingham Family Ancestry.
    http://www.whittinghams.me.uk/DNA.htm

    "De haplogroep J is typerend voor de bevolking uit Zuid-Oost Europa, meer bepaald voor centraal en Zuid-Italië, Griekenland en Roemenië. Het wordt ook vaak teruggevonden in Frankrijk, Turkije en het Midden-Oosten. Deze haplogroep kan in verband worden gebracht met de oude Grieken, de Romeinen alsook de Pheniciërs."
    The Sas Family - DNA en Genealogie. (Dutch)
    http://thesasfamily.zsite.be/dna-en-genealogie

    "Haplogroup J2, is associated with the Romans, who also invaded Britain much earlier in about 90 AD."
    Clan Strachan Society.
    http://clanstrachan.org/activities/Genealogy/articles/reading_y-dna.htm

    "The J2 haplogroup came to England either through middle Eastern Roman soldiers who were stationed on the island (most common explanation), through Sephardic traders (not many of those), or through the migration to the island of gypsies in the 16th century (only being thought of as a possible source very recently)."
    Harvey Genealogy.
    http://history.earthsci.carleton.ca/harvey/genealogy/dnatestingindex.htm

    "McGregor (5356) and the two brothers (7422 and 9338) belong to a DNA haplotype J2 that is found in Britain, but rarely. It is most common in Eastern European countries, leading to speculation that it is either from gypsy background or, possibly, from Eastern European soldiers stationed in Britain during the Roman occupation in the first three centuries AD."
    The MacGregor DNA Project.
    http://themacgregordnaproject.blogspot.nl/2005/08/where-are-we-now-update.html

    "J2 has been well studied and can be split into several clades but whose mode of individual distribution is not well understood. Many influences such as Greek and Roman would have played a part."
    Wells Family DNA Project.
    http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~wellsfam/dnaproje/haplogroupJ.html

    "How our more recent ancestors ended up in England is still a mystery. It could have been a random migration of a single man. During the Roman occupation of Europe many people immigrated there from many areas of the world. Soldiers were sent there to serve military obligations. One of these might have been a man from the Mediterranean area. His descendants eventually took the surname Field and he might have been our earliest J2b2 ancestor."
    Genetic Journey of our branch of the Field family.
    http://www.luciefield.net/geneticjourney.html

    "Haplogroup J2b is most common in the Middle East and reaches its highest percentages in Turkey. In Europe, the largest J2b populations are in Greece, Albania and Italy. This haplogroup is rare in Britain where it could represent remnants of eastern Mediterranean troops stationed on the island during the Roman occupation."
    Munley/Manley Surname Project.
    http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Munley/default.aspx

    "I've just had my DNA tested and it's coming up as a J2 Haplogroup, which probably means my ancient relation was most likely a Roman Legionaire garrisoned to the UK."
    Genealogy: Jim Manley's Family Tree.
    http://jimstree.blogspot.nl/

    "Someone of J2a3d descent must have been living in Blacker Hill Yorkshire and acquired the Blacker name. They may well have descended from a Roman soldier or sailor from Lincoln or York who in turn must have been descended from the Phoenicians perhaps via Cantabria."
    Lost Langtons.
    http://www.lostlangtons.co.uk/HaplogroupJ2a4d.shtml

    "One coat of arms firm claims that the Judkins actually originated in Suffolk, England in far ancient times. This is where the celtic Coritani tribe of Rutland, Leiceister & Lincolnshire originated so this would preclude a Scottish origin prior to 1500 if the Judkins/Blackard J2 DNA type is linked to the Coritani rather than Romans."
    Blackard Family History Blog.
    http://blackardfamilyhistory.blogspot.nl/

    "The Mediterranean and Middle Eastern group consists of the the two Es, the G and the two J2s. Whit Athey and others have theorized that this group is associated with the Neolithic spread of agriculture from the Middle East into Europe. On the other hand, a more recent paper by Steven C. Bird argues for a Roman origin for J2 and E3b at least."
    Francis Surname Project.
    http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Francissurnameproject/

    "Sometime prior to that a Bretz ancestor must have come into Germany from the south, from Italy or Greece. Some researchers have suggested a family connection to Fabius Bretius, a Roman General, who came from the districts of Capua and Taranto in southern Italy to the town Trier, Germany around 224. Whether this connection is genuine or not, and it is impossible to know for sure, perhaps Roman conquests did bring Bretz DNA north 1,800 years ago as they did with so many other things. For some additional thoughts on the possible Latin origins of the family, also read the Genealogia Bretius."
    Bretz Family, Haplogroup J2.
    http://www.bretz.ca/GenWeb/html/dna/Y-bretz/

    "The bulk of J2 may have been brought to Britain by mercenaries recruited by the Romans."
    Family Banks DNA Project.
    https://sites.google.com/site/banksprojectsite/the-j-p215-groups

    "We now have two members of Haplogroup J1 and 6 members of Haplogroup J2 in the Fox Poject. This is a Mediterranean Haplogroup but exists all over Europe to some extent. The Romans are thought to have brought this Haplogroup to Britain."
    Fox FamilytreeDNA Project.
    http://www.familytreedna.com/public/FoxDNA/

    "In Europe, the largest J2b populations are in Greece, Albania and Italy. This haplogroup is rare in Britain where it could represent remnants of eastern Mediterranean troops stationed on the island during the Roman occupation."
    Cotton/Cotten DNA Project.
    http://home.comcast.net/~cottondna/haplogroups.htm

    "The Greek and Phoenician presence also brought J2 into France and of course the Roman period also would have been a major contributor of Haplogroup J2 into what is today, France. So although, rare, Haplogroup J2 can be found in local populations throughout France and Spain."
    Dugas Family.
    http://dugas.weebly.com/dna.html

    "J2 - This haplogroup originated during the Neolithic in Central Asia, and spread across the Mediterranean and the Middle East. It may have been brought to Britain by prehistoric farmers, Greek or Phoenician traders and Sephardic Jews among the Normans and the Flemish - as well as by Roman troops and settlers."
    Elliot (And border receivers) DNA Project.
    http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~gallgaedhil/

    "J2 has been traced back to the area between the Black Sea and the Caspian Sea that comprises territory in northwestern Iraq and Iran, eastern Turkey, Armenia, Azerbaijan and Georgia. One theory offered for the presence of J2 in northern England is the presence of Roman auxiliary soldiers stationed on Hadrian's Wall. It has been suggested that the original J2 ancestor of our Robson member may have been a Sarmatian horseman in the Roman legions."
    Robson/Robeson/Robison Family DNA Project.
    http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Robson/
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    Haplogroup J2 & Romans.

    "Although Normandy has so far been established as the origin of this family, a family legend related in a poem places their origin earlier, perhaps, even to Roman times: "A noble Roman was the Root, from which Montgomeries came, Who brought his legions from the war, and settled the same. Upon a hill twixt Rome and Spain. Gomericus by name; From which he and his offspring do their sire name still retain.""
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    Greco-Roman spheres of influence and Haplogroup J2.


    Left: The geographic space over which Classical Greek and Latin served as a lingua franca in antiquity. Right: Y-DNA Haplogroup Frequency map of J2-M172.

    "Romans surely helped spread haplogroup J2 across its borders, judging from the distribution of J2 within Europe (frequency over 5%) wich bears an uncanny resemblance to the borders of the Roman Empire."
    Eupedia.com, 2013.

    "The propagation of J2b and E V-13 correspond roughly to the ancient Greek and Roman spheres of influence."
    Eupedia.com, 2013.

    "The ancient Greeks and Phoenicians were the main driving forces behind the spread of J2 around the western and southern Mediterranian"
    Eupedia.com, 2013.

    "Di Giacomo stressed the role of post-Neolithic migratory phenomenon, specifically that of the Ancient Greeks, as also being important in the dispersal of haplogroup J-M172."

    Wikipedia.org - Haplogroup J2-M172, 2013.
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    Haplogroup J2 & Romans.

    "The Minoans and Ancient Greeks very likely played an early role in the frequency and high diversity of L24(M530) haplotypes we see today in Apulia, Italy as found by Grugni et al (2012). Later the Roman armies and auxiliaries played a role. Possibly even the Carthaginians under Hannibal (Battle of Cannae) played a role. Later still the Byzantine Empire, over a period of about 1000 years, very likely played a role in the movement of L24(M530) Y-chromosomes."
    J2 L24 Blogspot - More Comments on Grugni et al (2012).

    http://the-j2-l24-clade.blogspot.nl/

    "The Byzantine Empire was the predominantly Greek-speaking continuation of the Roman Empire during Late Antiquity and the Middle Ages. Its capital city was Constantinople (modern-day Istanbul), originally known as Byzantium. Initially the eastern half of the Roman Empire (often called the Eastern Roman Empire in this context), it survived the 5th century fragmentation and collapse of the Western Roman Empire and continued to thrive, existing for an additional thousand years until it fell to the Ottoman Turks in 1453. During most of its existence, the empire was the most powerful economic, cultural, and military force in Europe. Both "Byzantine Empire" and "Eastern Roman Empire" are historiographical terms applied in later centuries; its citizens continued to refer to their empire as the Roman Empire (Ancient Greek: Βασιλεία Ῥωμαίων, tr. Basileia Rhōmaiōn; Latin: Imperium Romanum), and Romania (Ῥωμανία)."
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    Quote Originally Posted by RHAS View Post
    Greco-Roman spheres of influence and Haplogroup J2.

    Now it is a Greco-Roman thing. Keep expanding and keep going back in time. You're on good track now.
    Be wary of people who tend to glorify the past, underestimate the present, and demonize the future.

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    Ancient Roman Imperium.

    "Y-DNA haplogroups in Turkey. Simplified information on Y-DNA haplogroups. Less than 10 % of population is related to Turkic tribes of Central Asia. As high as 90% of population in Turkey is left over grand children of Ancient Roman Imperium."
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    Quote Originally Posted by RHAS View Post
    Greco-Roman spheres of influence and Haplogroup J2.



    "Romans surely helped spread haplogroup J2 across its borders, judging from the distribution of J2 within Europe (frequency over 5%) wich bears an uncanny resemblance to the borders of the Roman Empire."
    Eupedia.com, 2013.

    "The propagation of J2b and E V-13 correspond roughly to the ancient Greek and Roman spheres of influence."
    Eupedia.com, 2013.

    "The ancient Greeks and Phoenicians were the main driving forces behind the spread of J2 around the western and southern Mediterranian"
    Eupedia.com, 2013.

    "Di Giacomo stressed the role of post-Neolithic migratory phenomenon, specifically that of the Ancient Greeks, as also being important in the dispersal of haplogroup J-M172."

    Wikipedia.org - Haplogroup J2-M172, 2013.
    can you check your language map as I want to know what about greek influence in pontic black sea area ( eastern side) and the italian south?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sile View Post
    can you check your language map as I want to know what about greek influence in pontic black sea area ( eastern side) and the italian south?
    This map actually came from a website called, Center of Hellenic Studies from Harvard University.
    It was featured in an article with the name, Greek, Latin and a Global Dialogue among Civilizations.
    http://chs.harvard.edu/wa/pageR?tn=A...bdc=12&mn=4827

    Here is another image of the same thing:

    Greco-Roman Spheres of Influence:


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    I like it how J2b frequencies evidently peak in Greece, Albania and north-central Italy and near India; evidently showing a dispersal and origin pattern from the southern Balkans. J-M172 (xM102) on the other hand is associated with the spread of anatolians across the Mediterranean world. It peaks in the northern Iraq region but is heavily felt in nearby parts of turkey,Iran,Armenia,Georgia,Azerbaijan, Lebanon etc. in Europe it is most present in the southeast among Greeks and Italians in particular. (Cretans and Italians have the highest European levels, including Sicilians). J-M67 is most found among Caucasus Georgians,Turks,Armenians. In Europe it is clearly most present among Italians. J-M92, downstream of M67 is most present among men sampled in western turkey. It too is most present among italian (south) men.

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    Quote Originally Posted by adamo View Post
    I like it how J2b frequencies evidently peak in Greece, Albania and north-central Italy and near India; evidently showing a dispersal and origin pattern from the southern Balkans. J-M172 (xM102) on the other hand is associated with the spread of anatolians across the Mediterranean world. It peaks in the northern Iraq region but is heavily felt in nearby parts of turkey,Iran,Armenia,Georgia,Azerbaijan, Lebanon etc. in Europe it is most present in the southeast among Greeks and Italians in particular. (Cretans and Italians have the highest European levels, including Sicilians). J-M67 is most found among Caucasus Georgians,Turks,Armenians. In Europe it is clearly most present among Italians. J-M92, downstream of M67 is most present among men sampled in western turkey. It too is most present among italian (south) men.
    J2b according to some is linked to Alexander troops hence the presence in India.

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    J2b maxes out at 14% of Albanian men. It's found in 10% of north-central Italians, 8% of Pakistan's Hunza people (hence your link), also found in 6.5% of Greeks, 6% of Nepal's Tharu people, 6% of Croatians, and in 6% of balkarian lineages.

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    Seems linked to the Balkans spread.

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